Lisa Smith home.

tuxy

Patrick2010 wrote: »

A 32-year-old German woman on Friday was sentenced to five years in prison for being a member of the "Islamic State" (IS) terrorist organization.
At the start of the trial, the defendant said: "I wanted to live under Islamic law, but not fight." She subsequently renounced her membership of the group."

Who does that remind you of?

So she was convicted of something that is illegal in German law but not Irish law, interesting.

tuxy

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I respect your.opinion and I don't want to getbinto petty tit for tat but it's very very unlikely that she did not assist ISIS in some form. For a trained soldier NOT to show another person how to maintain or use a weapon is unimaginable.

And it's because of this there is a chance the Americans have intel on her. But there was and is so much going on in Syria it's impossible to say how much attention this would have got.

Boggles

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I respect your.opinion and I don't want to getbinto petty tit for tat but it's very very unlikely that she did not assist ISIS in some form. For a trained soldier NOT to show another person how to maintain or use a weapon is unimaginable.

ISIS women were seen by and large as "home makers" and baby factories.

I'm not aware they were allowed train anyone or engage militarily, unless a bomb was to strapped to them.

They were certainly active in online recruitment though.

Signore Fancy Pants

tuxy wrote: »

Within the constraints of Irish law, what do you believe should be done at this stage?

That is the issue, of course.

What I want is for people to realise that Lisa Smith has the potential to be a very dangerous individual.

Again, we don't know what AGS currently has on her but I would of course hope there is something solid to lock her up with. She has been under the eye for a number of years prior to departing for Syria.

Not having the requisite laws in place does not mean she is innocent.

Boggles

Patrick2010 wrote: »

This German ISIS bride got 5 years

https://www.dw.com/en/german-islamic-state-bride-jailed-for-5-years/a-49482891

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News
German 'Islamic State' bride jailed for 5 years

Sabine S. traveled to Syria and Iraq to marry an Islamic State (IS) fighter and praised jihadi life in several blogs. She left her two children in Berlin after becoming radicalized.

Sabine S arrives in court (picture-alliance/dpa/M. Murat)

A 32-year-old German woman on Friday was sentenced to five years in prison for being a member of the "Islamic State" (IS) terrorist organization.
At the start of the trial, the defendant said: "I wanted to live under Islamic law, but not fight." She subsequently renounced her membership of the group."

Who does that remind you of?

She wrote blogs and actively recruited.

i.e. evidence

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

Speaking of handling weapons
This picture makes it look like she has no idea how to hold a rifle but that can't be the case if she served in the Defence forces.

Who was this photo taken for? Who published it?

tuxy

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Not having the requisite laws in place does not mean she is innocent.

Absolutely it does not mean she is innocent, it's actually unlikely that she is. But it does not mean we can convict her in a court of law and impose a custodial sentence either.

tuxy

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Who was this photo taken for? Who published it?

No idea who it was taken for and unfortunately I can only find it in the Irish tabloids who give no real content for the photo.

All I know is that it was taken in Tunisia in 2011 when she was married to a man from that country.

Signore Fancy Pants

tuxy wrote: »

And it's because of this there is a chance the Americans have intel on her. But there was and is so much going on in Syria it's impossible to say how much attention this would have got.

Attention? Not much tbh in the traditional sense.

The way these things go is simple enough. ISIS members are interviewed in detention camps and are offered a way out for information on activities of other western nationals in the camp.

If others in the camp had info on Lisa Smith, they may have given it up. This gets complicated by the amount of times Lisa Smith moved camps, reducing the number of other ISIS women that were close to her.

Can a European court override an Irish court? What about The Hague?

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions but when it come to legal matters, I’m dumb.

Signore Fancy Pants

Boggles wrote: »

ISIS women were seen by and large as "home makers" and baby factories.

I'm not aware they were allowed train anyone or engage militarily, unless a bomb was to strapped to them.

They were certainly active in online recruitment though.

ISIS women who had no other skills, yes. However Lisa was different, she had a bigger use to ISIS than the bog standard supporter.

Also, when ISIS were under pressure, they were quite happy for women to fight.

tuxy

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Can a European court override an Irish court? What about The Hague?

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions but when it come to legal matters, I’m dumb.

The Hague could be useful if there is hard evidence that she committed genocide.

Signore Fancy Pants

tuxy wrote: »

Absolutely it does not mean she is innocent, it's actually unlikely that she is. But it does not mean we can convict her in a court of law and impose a custodial sentence either.

Yeah I agree, so fcuking frustrating.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

The Hague could be useful if there is hard evidence that she committed genocide.

Just wondering if the European courts would have laws already in place regarding affiliation with ISIS that Ireland does not have.

Boggles

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

ISIS women who had no other skills, yes. However Lisa was different

Was she different or unique though, or is there far too much credence given to her background?

I mean we are talking about an area with a history that would mean weapon proficiency was hardly a rare skill, plenty of know how from ex army and particularly battle hardened individuals.

tuxy

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just wondering if the European courts would have laws already in place regarding affiliation with ISIS that Ireland does not have.

While some EU legislation is directly applicable I don't believe there is anything to cover this situation. Each country is expected to have sufficient legislation to cover new problems as they become know. Unfortunately FG did not see it as a priority or ever really acknowledged it as an issue at all.

I can’t recal any politician saying that the law needs updating either.

Until next time, eh.

Feisar

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

ISIS women who had no other skills, yes. However Lisa was different, she had a bigger use to ISIS than the bog standard supporter.

Also, when ISIS were under pressure, they were quite happy for women to fight.

A here, she was a private in the army not the bloody Ranger Wing.

Signore Fancy Pants

Boggles wrote: »

Was she different or unique though, or is there far too much credence given to her background?

I mean we are talking about an area with a history that would mean weapon proficiency was hardly a rare skill, plenty of know how from ex army and particularly battle hardened individuals.

Not unique at all but she had a skill of importance to ISIS. This would have elevated her among other women.

She may not have been on the "front line" but certainly would have been used to train newcomers and other women to secure their, for want of a better word, bases.

ISIS fighters have a high turnover rate for obvious reasons and a lot of fighters fled Syria over the last 12 months. All skills from ISIS supporters were used.

Signore Fancy Pants

Feisar wrote: »

A here, she was a private in the army not the bloody Ranger Wing.

Knowing how to maintain and use a weapon proficiently begins in Recruit Training. You don't need to be a SOF operator to effectively use or train another to use a weapon.

ISIS use irregular guerilla or assymetric warfare. They are not conducting multi-discipline operations.

The comprison is mute.

Beasty

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

*sigh* I'll ask one more time and then i am done with this thread. I can only handle so much stupidity in one day.

Give it a rest - attack the post, not the poster(s)

nthclare

Supposedly her fingerprint s and DNA has been taken by a fairly large established law enforcement agency.

And it could be possible she was hanging out with Sally Jones aka the black widow.

Boggles

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Not unique at all but she had a skill of importance to ISIS. This would have elevated her among other women.

Other women who actually lived for years in war zones?

I'm not so sure TBH.

She was recruited primarily because she was a westerner with a womb would be my gut feeling on it.

Limpy

If she was not thinking right (Joining ISIS) would Tulsa also have to take away her child on safety grounds. If she was sane when joining and returning then surely being part of a terrorist organizing is enough to lock her up.

Patrick2010

Boggles wrote: »

ISIS women were seen by and large as "home makers" and baby factories.

I'm not aware they were allowed train anyone or engage militarily, unless a bomb was to strapped to them.

They were certainly active in online recruitment though.

Think they did more just make babies and clean the like Lisa claims was all she did. The women in Racqa had a vicious reputation, recent Sky interviews from the camps showed some very agressive women.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khansaa_Brigade



The Al-Khansaa Brigade (Arabic: لواء الخنساء‎) is an all-women police or religious enforcement unit of the extremist self-proclaimed jihadist group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), operating in its de facto capital of Raqqa and Mosul.[3] Formed in early 2014 and apparently named after Al-Khansa, a female Arabic poet from the earliest days of Islam, it is unclear how widespread and sustained the group is. It is unique in the Muslim world where in other regimes with similar systems of religious police (such as Saudi Arabia) men enforce hisbah among women, and in the Islamic State has not spread outside of the capital Raqqa, leading one observer to wonder if it is a publicity "stunt" that will be “short-lived".[4]
An ISIL official, Abu Ahmad, said in 2014, "We have established the brigade to raise awareness of our religion among women, and to punish women who do not abide by the law."[5] The outfit has also been called ISIL's 'moral police'.[4]
Women who go out without a male chaperone or aren’t fully covered in public are subject to arrests and beatings by Al-Khansaa.[4]An example of crimes punished and sentences administered by al-Khansaa were those for two women in the ISIL capital of Raqqa in 2015, who received 20 lashes for wearing form-fitting abayas, five for wearing makeup underneath their abayas, and another five for "not being meek enough when detained".[6]

jmreire

Patrick2010 wrote: »

This German ISIS bride got 5 years

https://www.dw.com/en/german-islamic-state-bride-jailed-for-5-years/a-49482891

"

News
German 'Islamic State' bride jailed for 5 years

Sabine S. traveled to Syria and Iraq to marry an Islamic State (IS) fighter and praised jihadi life in several blogs. She left her two children in Berlin after becoming radicalized.

Sabine S arrives in court (picture-alliance/dpa/M. Murat)

A 32-year-old German woman on Friday was sentenced to five years in prison for being a member of the "Islamic State" (IS) terrorist organization.
At the start of the trial, the defendant said: "I wanted to live under Islamic law, but not fight." She subsequently renounced her membership of the group."

Who does that remind you of?

Yes and that's the difference between Ireland and Germany ( and other Country's too) they have specific laws against joining never mind actually carrying out terrorist acts, anywhere in the world.

tuxy

Limpy wrote: »

If she was not thinking right (Joining ISIS) would Tulsa also have to take away her child on safety grounds. If she was sane when joining and returning then surely being part of a terrorist organizing is enough to lock her up.

Tusla is already involved and has the child in the care of a relative with regular check ups. It will be assessed based on the childs safety how much access Lisa will have.

In Ireland you need to be convicted of a crime to be imprisoned.

Feisar

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Knowing how to maintain and use a weapon proficiently begins in Recruit Training. You don't need to be a SOF operator to effectively use or train another to use a weapon.

ISIS use irregular guerilla or assymetric warfare. They are not conducting multi-discipline operations.

The comprison is mute.

I don’t believe the ability to throw a bit of 3 in 1 on a rifle would have set her apart in any way.

Lefty Bicek

There was an angle being pushed recently that Lisa was 'married' four times, rejecting some of them as not being 'extremist enough'.

Is there any evidence for any of that, or is it just tabloid spew ?

It would weaken the argument that she was just a baby-maker.

Limpy

What's the different on being part of the IRA and ISIS?. They lock IRA members up, I haven't heard this charge being applied to her yet.