Lisa Smith home.

tuxy

HorrorScope wrote: »

Will you be as staunch about her “rights” when she blows herself up in a shopping mall or encourages some like minded ****wit to do so?

Sounds like you have some info the Garda would be interested in.

HorrorScope

tuxy wrote: »

Sounds like you have some info the Garda would be interested in.

Well I’m sure if the Gardai used google they could find out themselves what these ISIS vermin like doing

end of the road

HorrorScope wrote: »

Will you be as staunch about her “rights” when she blows herself up in a shopping mall or encourages some like minded ****wit to do so?

if she blows herself up she won't be around so it will be impossible to be staunch about anything in relation to her.
if she encourages someone else to blow themselves up then she will be subject to the law of the land and rightly so.

tuxy wrote: »

Exactly I don't know why people are now so keep to recognise IS as a legitimate state.
To legally denounce Irish citizenship or have it legally removed under international law she would have to be a citizen of another legitimate county.
It's illegal to try to make yourself stateless or have it forced on you.

agreed.
even then, i wonder as to whether a country of who one is a primary citizen, stripping that citizen of their citizenship based on them having dual nationality, could be questionable legally?

jmreire

HorrorScope wrote: »

Will you be as staunch about her “rights” when she blows herself up in a shopping mall or encourages some like minded ****wit to do so?

No one is "Defending Lisa's Right's".......the right's that are being defended in this discussion are the same rights that protect you and me and every other Irish Citizen. That's what is being defended. Whether Lisa return's to this Country or not, it's not a guarantee that we will ( or will not) ever have an isis attack...ever. As it is Ireland is too use full to isis or any other terrorist grouping as a staging / logistic / money laundering Country, and as such the last thing they need is to be put under the spotlight an attack would bring.

end of the road

HorrorScope wrote: »

Well I’m sure if the Gardai used google they could find out themselves what these ISIS vermin like doing

they already know.
however, they need evidence that lisa smith was involved in something that could be a breach of irish law, even if committed abroad.
or, that she may be planning to do something going forward.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

ted1 wrote: »

Nor defending here as such but realising that weather we like it or not she’s an Irish citizen

When she chose to turn her back on her country and become enemy number one she should have had it revoked. Tough tits whore.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

When she chose to turn her back on her country and become enemy number one she should have had it revoked. Tough tits whore.

How would that work exactly?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tuxy wrote: »

How would that work exactly?

It would work like this.

Sorry bitch, tough luck, enjoy the desert.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It would work like this.

Sorry bitch, tough luck, enjoy the desert.

But in the real world, not as a bull**** internet post.
How would it work? Expand on your idea.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tuxy wrote: »

But in the real world, not as a bull**** internet post.
How would it work? Expand on your idea.

She turned her back on her country. She would have us all murdered by her ideology and not bat an eyelid. She is a traitor to her country. How much has it cost us, you and me, to bring her home already, how much will it cost us to keep her safe for the rest of her life. Tens of millions. What day did we get in this? None. She should have been told to make her own way back, tough luck, if you manage to somehow get back here well you’ll be dealt with at that time.

end of the road

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It would work like this.

Sorry bitch, tough luck, enjoy the desert.

and when the desert's government decides to deport her anyway and we end up still having to take her back?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

end of the road wrote: »

and when the desert's government decides to deport her anyway and we end up still having to take her back?

Great. Didn’t cost anything. Try her and jail her.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

She turned her back on her country. She would have us all murdered by her ideology and not bat an eyelid. She is a traitor to her country. How much has it cost us, you and me, to bring her home already, how much will it cost us to keep her safe for the rest of her life. Tens of millions. What day did we get in this? None. She should have been told to make her own way back, tough luck, if you manage to somehow get back here well you’ll be dealt with at that time.

It's in Turkeys hands, realistically what could Ireland do if Turkey decide to deport her?
What is the exact crime she committed and where is the evidence of said crime.
Unless you are talking about a vigilante group when you say "dealt" with, unless you are planning to form such a group it may never happen.

end of the road

Hunky Monster wrote: »

She turned her back on her country. She would have us all murdered by her ideology and not bat an eyelid. She is a traitor to her country. How much has it cost us, you and me, to bring her home already, how much will it cost us to keep her safe for the rest of her life. Tens of millions. What day did we get in this? None. She should have been told to make her own way back, tough luck, if you manage to somehow get back here well you’ll be dealt with at that time.

that's not an answer as to how your original idea would work though.
this is not something we would get a say in and that is correct. citizens have to go back to their countries of origin to protect the world as a whole.
the costs are irrelevant, paying them is just tough to keep both ireland safe and the rest of the world.

tuxy

Perhaps Ireland should introduce an internment system, would that make people happy?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tuxy wrote: »

Perhaps Ireland should introduce an internment system, would that make people happy?

What would make you happy? Does bringing back this terrorist and setting her up for life make you happy? Let’s talk punishment.

tuxy

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Let’s talk punishment.

Let's, what crime can she be convicted of and what is the punishment for such a conviction?

Etc

So she's home, let's see what she says in the inevitable book,

"ISIS, my part in it's downfall"

It'll transpire that Shuhada Davitt has been her handler and from the inside out, they embarrassed ISIS into submission.

Expect her to contact Michealla Mcollum on how to spin a story into a few quid.

tuxy

Etc wrote: »

So she's home, let's see what she says in the inevitable book,

If she is then why is the UN so concerned for her safety in Turkey, she can't be in two places at once.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tuxy wrote: »

Let's, what crime can she be convicted of and what is the punishment for such a conviction?

What we know.

Treason
Involvement in a terrorist Organisation.
Supporting and aiding muderous acts.

What don’t we know?

tuxy

No proof that IS specifically targeted Ireland, I don't recall any acts of terror that they carried out on this Island. So that is treason gone.
Do you have proof of murderous acts that she has committed in Ireland? I think we can rule that one out two.

Perhaps she is guilty of something under the terrorism act but what are the punishment guidelines for such an offence?

Etc

tuxy wrote: »

If she is then why is the UN so concerned for her safety in Turkey, she can't be in two places at once.

So, tracking individual refugees is a science ?

tuxy

Etc wrote: »

So, tracking individual refugees is a science ?

You say she is home and the UN say she is in Turkey, I'm not sure which I believe.

ted1

Hunky Monster wrote: »

When she chose to turn her back on her country and become enemy number one she should have had it revoked. Tough tits whore.

Who declared her enemy number one ?
rue Looney left are far more of a danger.

There’s far more dangerous threats in Ireland

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Whose apology?

Read back a few pages, you will figure it out.

jmreire

Hunky Monster wrote: »

What we know.

Treason
Involvement in a terrorist Organisation.
Supporting and aiding muderous acts.

What don’t we know?

What we know and what we can prove are two different things....she is presently under investigation for any breaches of the Law's of Ireland. (What Law's she has broken abroad is relevant ) and has been for quite a long time, which is one of the reason's I think that she did not grab at the chance to come home when she was first offered it when in Ain-Issa camp. So if the Guard's can come up with a case against her, she will have her day in court, and then we will see where that takes her. What you ,I and the rest of the Country think's about Lisa Smith will not matter one whit. Unless she is tried by a jury, in which case, the verdict will be one of the fastest in Irish Legal history.

adrian92

I would ask the moderator to ask everyone to not use such language, which are not in accordance with this forum - there is no room, I would have thought, for violent language. Perhaps, there is no room for a degree of moderate language. We are, and have been, through quite a long, difficult time

bmcc10

You would not be surprised..


http://irelandoncraic.com/dundalk/?fbclid=IwAR02AgGWWyLqxq-Tg5WoYXV1l9eqWkn37HEdBphWhAj3nAEsDAxKgLK9joc

Fritzbox

jmayo wrote: »

Bamboo airlines are Far Eastern airline, Vietnam I think.

I don't think a western company would name their airline "Bamboo Airlines" would they?

AlekSmart

bmcc10 wrote: »

You would not be surprised..


http://irelandoncraic.com/dundalk/?fbclid=IwAR02AgGWWyLqxq-Tg5WoYXV1l9eqWkn37HEdBphWhAj3nAEsDAxKgLK9joc

Dundalk could be on a winner here.....a double header..Jim Corr & Lisa Smith to hit the switch together....The eyes and ears of the World would be on the town !!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-12268558

RocketRaccoon

ted1 wrote: »

Who declared her enemy number one ?
rue Looney left are far more of a danger.

There’s far more dangerous threats in Ireland

More dangerous threats in Ireland? More dangerous than someone who was involved in Isis? Who?

Beasty

HorrorScope wrote: »

Ex-Irish citizen, traitor, whore extraordinaire and now a “refugee” from the failed Islamic state with her dead jihadi husbands crotch dropping in tow - regardless of what’s written on “official” paper or records she is not Irish anymore.

Horrorscope, do not post in this thread again

ted1

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

More dangerous threats in Ireland? More dangerous than someone who was involved in Isis? Who?

What was her involvement? The guys that kidnapped the Quinn guy are more dangerous. Drink drivers are more dangerous.

hawkelady

ted1 wrote: »

What was her involvement? The guys that kidnapped the Anglo guy are more dangerous. Drink drivers are more dangerous.

Anglo guy?? Drink drivers more dangerous than folk who are happy to slit people’s throats ??
Lay off the moonshine ted .... have a word with yourself ted .

ted1

hawkelady wrote: »

Anglo guy?? Drink drivers more dangerous than folk who are happy to slit people’s throats ??
Lay off the moonshine ted .... have a word with yourself ted .

Do you think she slit a throat ? Do you think she was actually involved in fighting ?

We are not talking about the folk we are talking about a 1 Irish female.

I guess your post displays the general bigotry in not being able to separate individuals from labels.

Signore Fancy Pants

ted1 wrote: »

Do you think she slit a throat ? Do you think she was actually involved in fighting ?

We are not talking about the folk we are talking about a 1 Irish female.

I guess your post displays the general bigotry in not being able to separate individuals from labels.

"1 Irish Female". :rolleyes:

Lisa Smith joined the Defence Forces.
Lisa Smith was trained in various small arms, support arms and other military disciplines.
Lisa Smith converted to Islam.
Lisa Smith became radicalised.
Lisa Smith travelled to Tunisia after joining ISIS.
ISIS followers recieve training in Tunisia.
Lisa Smith travelled to Syria.

Lisa Smith did not just sit in a tent in the desert for a few years. Each and every person in ISIS has a purpose and are used for their strengths.
Lisa Smith is a trained soldier. If anyone thinks she was not performing an active function within ISIS, they are complete fcuktard idiots. At the very very least, she would have trained someone to hold, use and maintain a weapon.

Did she look to come home when she was pregnant? No. Did she look to come home when her husband was alive? No.

She has only looked to come home because ISIS has failed. Now she wants to come back...no thank you.

ted1

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

"1 Irish Female". :rolleyes:

Lisa Smith joined the Defence Forces.

Lisa Smith is a trained soldier.

Lisa SmithS role was a trolley Dolly on the Aer Corps jet.

Patrick2010

Anyone who joined ISIS joined an organization that believed in killing anyone who was not a Sunni Muslim, they slaughtered Shias, Christians, Yazidis, threw gays off roofs and posted it online.
Lisa would have known all this before she went over to join them.

SaintLeibowitz

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Anyone who joined ISIS joined an organization that believed in killing anyone who was not a Sunni Muslim, they slaughtered Shias, Christians, Yazidis, threw gays off roofs and posted it online.
Lisa would have known all this before she went over to join them.

Whatever about being radicalised. Isis where a death cult from the get go. She knew what she was heading into.

Notmything

Hunky Monster wrote: »

What we know.

Treason
Involvement in a terrorist Organisation.
Supporting and aiding muderous acts.

What don’t we know?

We have had TDs who were members of a terrorist organisation and convicted for same. When do we deport them or strip them of their citizenship?

Signore Fancy Pants

ted1 wrote: »

Lisa SmithS role was a trolley Dolly on the Aer Corps jet.

Sigh.

Lisa Smith went through Recruit Training in an Infantry Battalion. The primary objective in Recruit Training is to familiarise a Recruit with various small arms weapons and military tactics.

During training you are consistently assessed and tested in weapons handling and marksmanship. There is a standard which must be achieved in order for you to progress and become a soldier.

Upon passing out as a Private, she had successfully utilised and maintained (including stripping and assembling blindfolded) a rifle. She would have been instructed how to prime and efficiently throw grenades, how to use a belt fed light machine gun and also how to kill a person with a bayonet.

After Recruit Training she was posted to the 27th Infantry Battalion where she would have undergone further infantry specific training which would include heavy support weapons including anti-tank systems, over a number of years.

She became a "trolley dolley" further into her career. She is a trained infantry soldier, first and foremost....and would have been very useful for the Caliphate.

At an absolute bare minimum, she would be proficient in these.
https://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/army/weapons/platoon-level-weapons/

ted1

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Sigh.

Lisa Smith went through Recruit Training in an Infantry Battalion. The primary objective in Recruit Training is to familiarise a Recruit with various small arms weapons and military tactics.

During training you are consistently assessed and tested in weapons handling and marksmanship. There is a standard which must be achieved in order for you to progress and become a soldier.

Upon passing out as a Private, she had successfully utilised and maintained (including stripping and assembling blindfolded) a rifle. She would have been instructed how to prime and efficiently throw grenades, how to use a belt fed light machine gun and also how to kill a person with a bayonet.

After Recruit Training she was posted to the 27th Infantry Battalion where she would have undergone further infantry specific training which would include heavy support weapons including anti-tank systems, over a number of years.

She became a "trolley dolley" further into her career. She is a trained infantry soldier, first and foremost....and would have been very useful for the Caliphate.

At an absolute bare minimum, she would be proficient in these.
https://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/army/weapons/platoon-level-weapons/

Since you mentioned Sunni , what do you think on the position in women ? Not really big into equal rights. Good chance to had her chained to the sink

hawkelady

ted1 wrote: »

Since you mentioned Sunni , what do you think on the position in women ? Not really big into equal rights. Good chance to had her chained to the sink

You really think so ? This is the donkey , on a donkey

Signore Fancy Pants

ted1 wrote: »

Since you mentioned Sunni , what do you think on the position in women ? Not really big into equal rights. Good chance to had her chained to the sink

I didnt mention "Sunni".

However, if you know anything about ISIS (which Im not sure you do, and thats ok), you would know their archaic, mysoginistic ideals waivered for a time when they were under sustained pressure in Syria.

It was very much an "all hands on deck affair". A lot of women were actually in charge of upholding Shariah law prior to being under pressure. Towards the end in Al Bukamal, everyone had a weapon and everyine was expected to use it.

Im sure I have come across as harsh in my earlier posts but lets be honest.

A person who has prior military experience, sought out an extremist ideology, travelled to be part of that ideology and remained part of the group that has participated in heinous acts against hundreds of thousands of people, now wants to come back to Ireland.

If you cannot see the potential risks involved with that, then thats fine but dont be deflecting when your lack of knowledge has been exposed.

Eric Cartman

Notmything wrote: »

We have had TDs who were members of a terrorist organisation and convicted for same. When do we deport them or strip them of their citizenship?

If I thought I could get my desired result of life in prison for gerry adams and lisa smith it would be like double christmas

AlekSmart

ted1 wrote: »

Since you mentioned Sunni , what do you think on the position in women ? Not really big into equal rights. Good chance to had her chained to the sink

Ah here Ted....

Ms Smith spent nearly 11 Years in the Defence Forces,in a number of units amd roles.
She is a fully trained professional soldier,a reality which remains very relevant to her current situiation.
The Irish Defence Forces have been fully engaged with Equality,long before many of the current crop of commercial enterprises were able to spell the word.
During her Basic and ongoing training,Ms Smith would have wanted for nothing in terms of quality or quantity.

Your reference to her being a "Trolley Dolly" covers at least a 2 year period in the Aer Corps,during which she was assigned to the Government Jet and VIP transport.

Following this,she transferred to the Transport Corps,where she eventually found herself driving Senior Officers,all the way up to the Chief of Staff.

https://www.echolive.ie/nationalnews/Victim-terrorist-Irish-citizen-persona-non-grata-Lisa-Smith-the-Irish-soldier-being-held-in-Syria-df6b6e6f-8c0e-47db-b1d8-d9a809205a49-ds

It appears that her conversion to radical Islam was already underway when she was a serving soldier,something which might be of interest to Army HQ amongst others.

She served in the 27th Infantry Battalion for five years before transferring to the Air Corps, where she worked on the government jet. Bertie Ahern, taoiseach at the time, when asked for his memories of her said she was a "lovely girl", "great fun", "engaging and kind".

But she left the post after a couple of years and moved to the army transport corps and she was employed there when she gave a newspaper interview in 2011.

In the 2011 interview, with her hair covered by a scarf, Lisa explained how that life felt empty to her and how she explored spirituality in different guises before feeling drawn to Islam as she saw it lived by some friends of friends in the locality.

Those Friends of Friends will doubtless be keen to avoid too much light being shone into their crevices,should Ms Smith be subject to ongoing interrogation about her formative time as a new recruit to Islam.

Like many of the IsIs returnees worldwide,the modus operandi appears to be to ensure that there are plenty of loose threads or blank spots in their stories..

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/05/former-irish-soldier-joined-isis-syria-says-im-not-like-terrorist-10121110/

Lisa Smith, 37, moved to the war torn country after divorcing her Tunisian husband at the age of 33 – because he refused to come with her.

Another Facepalm moment perhaps...?

I have to admit my knowledge of Caliphs,and their Caliphates is minimal,but I wonder what differentiates an "Actual" one from a bog-standard one ?

Speaking to BBC at the camp, she wanted an ‘actual caliphate’ and acknowledged that the group was brutal. She added: ‘I’m not like a terrorist. I’m not out to kill anyone.

Mind you,it would appear that Ms Smith does not hold the Irish Defence Forces in the best regard these days....

Smith told BBC’s Anna Foster a decade in the Irish Army and Air Corps left her depressed and lost in drink and drugs.

Anybody for a Facepalm ??

Anyway,after the Facepalmers have finished,the questions will remain....even if not likely to be asked on The Late Late Show

raclle

Our government will welcome this woman and her ideology back to society with open arms. I'll be absolutely shocked considering the things she's either done or witnessed. She's capable of anything and should be locked up or deported. Those people are animals!

RocketRaccoon

There's absolutely no talking to this ted1 character, he'll be only delighted to see her on the late late soon.

end of the road

raclle wrote: »

Our government will welcome this woman and her ideology back to society with open arms. I'll be absolutely shocked considering the things she's either done or witnessed. She's capable of anything and should be locked up or deported. Those people are animals!

the government won't be welcoming her back with open arms. they are taking her back because they have to, she is an irish citizen and cannot be deported. if they can lock her up they will do so.

tdf7187

I do not agree that Ms Smith should have her citizenship withdrawn, but there are multiple examples of apparent failings here which raise questions about our security.

A Fine Gael candidate in Wexford said that there was a danger a small % of our immigrants may be ex-ISIS, ISIS or ISIS sympathisers. She was right to say what she said, and wrong to apologise, though somewhat forgiveable given the weight of bullying from the protected SJW media-sociopolitical classes came down on her like a tonne of bricks. Of course, the real reason why she was bullied into apologising for her comments is that the media-sociopolitical circus do not want attention drawn to the broader issue of radical Islamism and the specific matter of Lisa Smith's career.