Lisa Smith home.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 2:47pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

There was an angle being pushed recently that Lisa was 'married' four times, rejecting some of them as not being 'extremist enough'.

Is there any evidence for any of that, or is it just tabloid spew ?

It would weaken the argument that she was just a baby-maker.

The source is a woman from the Dunkalk mosque who knew Lisa.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 2:47pm

Limpy wrote: »

What's the different on being part of the IRA and ISIS?. They lock IRA members up, I haven't heard this charge being applied to her yet.

The difference is which organisations are currently recognised as illegal in Ireland

HeidiHeidi · 03-12-2019 2:48pm

Limpy wrote: »

What's the different on being part of the IRA and ISIS?. They lock IRA members up, I haven't heard this charge being applied to her yet.

IRA is a proscribed organisation under Irish law. ISIS is not.

Signore Fancy Pants · 03-12-2019 2:53pm

Boggles wrote: »

Other women who actually lived for years in war zones?

I'm not so sure TBH.

She was recruited primarily because she was a westerner with a womb would be my gut feeling on it.

Well this is where peoples knowledge is ultimately failing, and thats fine. We dont know everything.

Lisa Smith travelled to Syria in 2015, at the height of ISIS control in Syria, 2 years after ISIS first real footprint in Syria. At that stage they were taking Yazidi women for sex slaves, marrying ISIS fighters and being baby makers.

Secondly, she wasnt recruited, she actively sought to join ISIS. While many wont appreciate the subtle difference, there is a big one.

Unfortunately your gut feeling is incorrect, if it was correct then we would be talking about a Lisa Smith that innocently got caught up in something that she didnt understand and has 15 ISIS kids.

jmreire · 03-12-2019 2:57pm

Anyone who joined isis, would have their talent's / skill's utilised to the full. Doctors, Nurse's, Accountant's, Chemist's, Mechanics etc. and of course Soldier's, male or female. The Caliphate was run on "normal" city lines,,,and they used the same system of governance.Some of their higher up isis members were taken from Saddam Hussein's Baathis party, and especially his secret service, who well knew how to run the city and "extract" funding.

Zubeneschamali · 03-12-2019 2:59pm

jmreire wrote: »

Anyone who joined isis, would have their talent's / skill's utilised to the full. Doctors, Nurse's, Accountant's, Chemist's, Mechanics etc. and of course Soldier's, male or female.

Shocking stuff, imagine utilising people's skills, and to the full!

We're so lucky not to live under a regime like that.

nthclare · 03-12-2019 3:02pm

There's one thing I heard and not sure if it's true or not.
Maybe she had addiction problems and sometimes I work with people who've found God in Narcotics anonymous and alcoholics anonymous and other 12 step programs...

Supposedly some individuals who's trying to kick the habit of drink and drug's will do anything to redeem themselves and clean house if you get my drift....

I heard of a few people in recovery who went very strident with their new age woo and religion...

And kept on seeking the ultimate spiritual experience that will cleanse their soul and they can start all over...

I'm being the devil's advocate here, but maybe she's so brainwashed and naïve from her drugging and drinking she's almost numb to the outside world..

It happens

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:02pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Shocking stuff, imagine utilising people's skills, and to the full!

We're so lucky not to live under a regime like that.

The point is if Lisa's involvement can be proven to be more than that of a bride and child bearer then there may be enough for the DDP to take it to court.

Signore Fancy Pants · 03-12-2019 3:03pm

Feisar wrote: »

I don’t believe the ability to throw a bit of 3 in 1 on a rifle would have set her apart in any way.

Yeah sure why would an aggressive kinetic organisation have any use for someone with military experience who is qualified to operate and maintain rifles, machine guns, grenades, anti-tank weapons and a further knowledge of offensive and defensive tactical operations.

Zero use.

Boggles · 03-12-2019 3:05pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

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Secondly, she wasnt recruited, she actively sought to join ISIS.

It's a little more than nuanced than that.

I imagine she didn't just wake up and state she was off to join a death cult.

There would have been a level of persuasion maybe even subtle in it's nature, either online or elsewhere.

It's the very reason they had a whole very effective propaganda wing.

Signore Fancy Pants · 03-12-2019 3:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

It's a little more than nuanced than that.

I imagine she didn't just wake up and state she was off to join a death cult.

There would have been a level of persuasion maybe even subtle in it's nature, either online or elsewhere.

It's the very reason they had a whole very effective propaganda wing.

100% agree with you. A lot of people here cannot grasp what she has actualy decided to get involved in.

However, she got extreme...eh extremely quickly and ditched those along tge way who were less so, including husbands.

BorneTobyWilde · 03-12-2019 3:10pm

I have no doubt in my mind that as part of her devotion to ISIS that it is there plan to get as many members home to the west on the back of sob stories and then when there to attack at the first chance, stab, kill, hurt anyone you can when the moment arises.
And Ireland fell for it, hook line and sinker .

jmreire · 03-12-2019 3:12pm

Extract from Defense One:

ISIS women breaking out of detention in Syria present a number of dangers.

First, some of these women are well positioned to become the next generation of fighters. Though ISIS leaders originally preferred women stay home to care for men and children, this changed when the group started losing territory in 2015. In December 2016, the group’s al-Naba magazine appealed to women to prepare for jihad. Ten months later, ISIS issued an unprecedented call to women urging them to prepare “themselves as mujahidat [female warrior] in the cause of Allah.” Female ISIS fighters were spotted in the battle for Mosul in 2017. In February 2018, ISIS released a video that purportedly showed women fighting alongside male mujahedeen. It is reasonable to assume that ISIS leaders will continue to rely on women to replenish its fighting force, and even dispatch female agents to stage terrorist attacks across the world.

BorneTobyWilde · 03-12-2019 3:12pm

ISIS try and try to get to the west and fail, and here we are flying them in first class with champagne and caviar

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:13pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I have no doubt in my mind that as part of her devotion to ISIS that it is there plan to get as many members home to the west on the back of sob stories and then when there to attack at the first chance, stab, kill, hurt anyone you can when the moment arises.
And Ireland fell for it, hook line and sinker .

Fell for what? She did not need a sob story for Turkey to deport her. Are you saying the lack of action and appropriate legislation is because of some influence IS have on the Irish government?

BorneTobyWilde · 03-12-2019 3:15pm

tuxy wrote: »

Fell for what? She did not need a sob story for Turkey to deport her. Are you saying the lack of action and appropriate legislation is because of some influence IS have on the Irish government?

It does not matter the how, ISIS want member in the west to attack when the moment arrives. She'll now get her chance, you wait and see, someone will die at her hands .

jetfiremuck · 03-12-2019 3:16pm

Lis is in her 30s not a way less 18 yr old. The back story leading up to her seeking to join and convert needs to be investigated. You just don't buy a one way ticket and off you go. There must have been some contacts prior.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:17pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It does not matter the how, ISIS want member in the west to attack when the moment arrives. She'll now get her chance, you wait and see, someone will die at her hands .

Why do you believe the government the Irish people voted in does not believe this? What is influencing their decision?

katiek102010 · 03-12-2019 3:21pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she didnt hold dual citizenship. her bangladeshi citizenship was only notional. what other nationality did she hold?

As far as I am aware she held dual and she had the ability to claim or seek another through another parent

Irishmale0399 · 03-12-2019 3:22pm

jetfiremuck wrote: »

Lis is in her 30s not a way less 18 yr old. The back story leading up to her seeking to join and convert needs to be investigated. You just don't buy a one way ticket and off you go. There must have been some contacts prior.

The people who introduced her to Islam and then those who she had contact to prior to leaving Ireland have to be investigated. Only then can we be sure that other people are not being radicialised on our doorstep. There is a lot more to this than Lisa returning....

03-12-2019 3:22pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

ISIS try and try to get to the west and fail, and here we are flying them in first class with champagne and caviar

Who flew first class with champagne??

katiek102010 · 03-12-2019 3:23pm

nthclare wrote: »

Supposedly her fingerprint s and DNA has been taken by a fairly large established law enforcement agency.

And it could be possible she was hanging out with Sally Jones aka the black widow.

The father of Sally Jones kid could not even get the UK to bring the child home even though she took him without his father's consen6

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:26pm

katiek102010 wrote: »

As far as I am aware she held dual and she had the ability to claim or seek another through another parent

As far as the UK is concerned they are not making her stateless because although she is not a citizen of Bangaldesh she does have the right to apply. They have not talked about other possible nationalities.
It's a questionable decision and will take a long time to be resolved.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:27pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Who flew first class with champagne??

I bet she stole that poor terrified mans champagne and caviar when he was asked to move seats!

splinter65 · 03-12-2019 3:27pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

You are infering that I am stupid?

I'm sorry for being stupid and thinking membership of ISIS is a bad thing.

Im sorry for being stupid and thinking that in 4 years of being in ISIS that Lisa Smith wasnt just the cleaner.

Lets be honest, you are bowing out because you wont admit she may have killed 20 people but its all ok...theres no evidence.

He/she knows perfectly well what Lisa Smith is like...but, as long as she hasn’t technically broken any laws then he doesn’t agree with her personal freedoms being curtailed because of her badness.
Because if her personal freedoms are curtailed on the basis of her lack of morals then that means his could be too.
For the liberals personal freedom cannot be usurped by the common good.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:29pm

splinter65 wrote: »

He/she knows perfectly well what Lisa Smith is like...but, as long as she hasn’t technically broken any laws then he doesn’t agree with her personal freedoms being curtailed because of her badness.
Because if her personal freedoms are curtailed on the basis of her lack of morals then that means his could be too.
For the liberals personal freedom cannot be usurped by the common good.

Is it only liberals that believe in the due process of the laws in the county they reside in? I would think these belief in laws would be more of an authoritarian idea.

katiek102010 · 03-12-2019 3:30pm

tuxy wrote: »

Fell for what? She did not need a sob story for Turkey to deport her. Are you saying the lack of action and appropriate legislation is because of some influence IS have on the Irish government?

tuxy wrote: »

As far as the UK is concerned they are not making her stateless because although she is not a citizen of Bangaldesh she does have the right to apply. They have not talked about other possible nationalities.
It's a questionable decision and will take a long time to be resolved.

I have no doubt they did it to appease the masses, and will be forced to back track.

However the same people screaming to not allow her back are the same screaming to deport everyone. It can't be one rule for one and different for another

osarusan · 03-12-2019 3:34pm

splinter65 wrote: »

He/she knows perfectly well what Lisa Smith is like...but, as long as she hasn’t technically broken any laws then he doesn’t agree with her personal freedoms being curtailed because of her badness.

Do you agree with her being imprisoned because of her badness, even if she technically hasn't broken any laws?

And if so, who gets to make that decision, and how can we be sure such a power won't be abused in future?

jmreire · 03-12-2019 3:36pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Shocking stuff, imagine utilising people's skills, and to the full!

We're so lucky not to live under a regime like that.

Ha Ha...:D:D:D
but what is not mentioned is that when isis used people's skill's to the full, in most case's it was not voluntary..isis took over the existing city governance, and installed their own isis administrators...Any resistance was punished brutally. This was one of the "advantage's" of being an isis member in the caliphate. You automatically got first choice in everything...housing ( you like that house on the corner, move the occupants out, and move in ) Medical ? Transport? Ditto, and when it came to women and slave's...
In their propaganda, these were the benefits listed when you come and help to build the True Caliphate, as it was in Mohammad's time. And as can be seen, it attracted thousand's and thousand's from all round the world.

tuxy · 03-12-2019 3:37pm

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

The people who introduced her to Islam and then those who she had contact to prior to leaving Ireland have to be investigated. Only then can we be sure that other people are not being radicialised on our doorstep. There is a lot more to this than Lisa returning....

Lisa decided of her own accord to join the Dundalk mosque. The woman who was responsible for helping Lisa integrate was interviewed on the radio. She eventually had a falling out with Lisa when she expressed concern that Lisa's extreme approach to islam worried her. I Imagine it was around this time Lisa started to look overseas for like minded people.

Lisa Smith home.

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