Lisa Smith home.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

The source is a woman from the Dunkalk mosque who knew Lisa.

I wouldn't take too much she says too seriously.

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't take too much she says too seriously.

Do you know the woman? What did you think of her interview?

jmreire

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

The people who introduced her to Islam and then those who she had contact to prior to leaving Ireland have to be investigated. Only then can we be sure that other people are not being radicialised on our doorstep. There is a lot more to this than Lisa returning....

Yes, agreed 100%.....and to see if she was not the only one...This particular "route to isis" need's to be shut down..urgently. And update our Law's to make it an offence, even to join isis ( or similar ) organizations, let alone travel abroad in support of them.

mgn

Is this a new thing while being interviewed by the Garda, having a meal with the family in the Garda station, and being allowed to break up being interviewed to pray 5 times a day.
I don't recall hearing this before.

Maybe it's because its a war hero, and the get special treatment.

tuxy

jmreire wrote: »

Yes, agreed 100%.....and to see if she was not the only one...This particular "route to isis" need's to be shut down..urgently. And update our Law's to make it an offence, even to join isis ( or similar ) organizations, let alone travel abroad in support of them.

Yes this is what was needed but it's too late now in the case of Lisa but should be put in place ASAP. It doesn't seem to be an election issue though so I can't see Leo or Charles Flanagan making the effort.

HeidiHeidi

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wouldn't take too much she says too seriously.

It occurred to me along the way that there's a lot of credence being given to her interview... well, by the press anyway, and on the likes of this thread. Yet none of us know her from Adam. She could be stirring her own pot, for God knows what agenda.....

tuxy

mgn wrote: »

Is this a new thing while being interviewed by the Garda, having a meal with the family in the Garda station, and being allowed to break up being interviewed to pray 5 times a day.
I don't recall hearing this before.

Maybe it's because its a war hero, and the get special treatment.

The meal with family sounds unusual. The right to practice your religion even while detained is not.

paul71

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't take too much she says too seriously.

I heard the interview, the girl interviewed actually sounded like a nice reasonable person.

tuxy

paul71 wrote: »

I heard the interview, the girl interviewed actually sounded like a nice reasonable person.

I agree, while it's possible she is a master of deception she came across as very level headed and honest so that's all I have to go on.

WrenBoy

mgn wrote: »

Is this a new thing while being interviewed by the Garda, having a meal with the family in the Garda station, and being allowed to break up being interviewed to pray 5 times a day.
I don't recall hearing this before.

Maybe it's because its a war hero, and the get special treatment.

Im assuming this is a tactic to get her comfortable and after being in a camp being back in Ireland and eating with her family would make her feel as if she's home and thats all behind her now.
The interviewers will want to make her feel as if they are not her enemy, making her a little more compliant with questioning, going in hard on someone who views you as an evil enemy isn't very effective.

katiek102010

tuxy wrote: »

As far as the UK is concerned they are not making her stateless because although she is not a citizen of Bangaldesh she does have the right to apply. They have not talked about other possible nationalities.
It's a questionable decision and will take a long time to be resolved.

Actually I do recall it could be Dutch she may be entitled too, through her husband. However I think that has been disputed as querys around the legality of the marriage

tuxy

katiek102010 wrote: »

Actually I do recall it could be Dutch she may be entitled too, through her husband. However I think that has been disputed as querys around the legality of the marriage

Yes she was underage when she married the Dutch man. The UK will not want to cause tension with the Dutch so are not perusing that angle. I doubt they care about slight tension with Bangladesh, especially when there is an election to be won.

katiek102010

tuxy wrote: »

Yes she was underage when she married the Dutch man. The UK will not want to cause tension with the Dutch so are not perusing that angle. I doubt they care about slight tension with Bangladesh, especially when there is an election to be won.

Some of her own family back the UK government on this. I think it's her mother is pushing the fight against it

Boggles

katiek102010 wrote: »

Some of her own family back the UK government on this. I think it's her mother is pushing the fight against it

It's very simple, Sajid Javid made a fuss about her to appear "tough" so he could launch a bid for the PM. While 100s of others were let in the back door without any fuss.

She was stripped of her citizenship primarily because of political opportunism, which we can all agree is BS policy.

The reality is she was 15 when she left the UK, the authorities are in fact culpable.

Even Rees-Mogg stated she should have been left back in.

So it will very interesting to see how the review goes, considering there was a death of child since.

splinter65

osarusan wrote: »

Do you agree with her being imprisoned because of her badness, even if she technically hasn't broken any laws?


And if so, who gets to make that decision, and how can we be sure such a power won't be abused in future?

Not imprisoned, monitored closely as those with terrorist tendencies are in the UK, quite successfully despite last Fridays tragedy.

LaFuton

are people stupid?

fritzelly

LaFuton wrote: »

are people stupid?

Some people undoubtedly are

Back to the thread...

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

Do you know the woman? What did you think of her interview?

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

It occurred to me along the way that there's a lot of credence being given to her interview... well, by the press anyway, and on the likes of this thread. Yet none of us know her from Adam. She could be stirring her own pot, for God knows what agenda.....

paul71 wrote: »

I heard the interview, the girl interviewed actually sounded like a nice reasonable person.

Call it local knowledge. :P
She's not to be listened to. While I have no time for "Ms. Smith" the other one shouldn't be listened to, nasty piece of work.

Signore Fancy Pants

Those who feel this is an open and shut case because there is no evidence of wrong doing, she might not be convicted at all but if you know nothing else, just know this.

Lisa Smith is not just "Muslum", she is a Sunni Jihadist Muslim who joined a Fundamentalist Salafist organisation.

Salafi means you subscribe to the ideology of the Prophet Mohammed where Muslims want to (not just believe but) live the way Muhammed did.

There are 3 types of Salafi Muslim.

1. Conservative with no intent to change anything in society.
2. The political type that want to replace secular society with conservative ones.

Then the most dangerous one, which Lisa Smith has given over her life to.

3. Advocating violance with a focus on terrorism against oppression of "the west".

In 2013 Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared Syria and Iraq as the "Islamic State" after disagreements with Al-Qaeda over what way to progress the ideology.

Baghdadi used children to spy on fellow Muslims and Salafi's, if you broke any of Muhammad's archaic codes you would be beaten or executed....on the word of a child.

In 2014, Baghdadi directed that the "Caliphate" should conduct global operations, so it did, you are all aware of that. That remains ISIS's goal.

This is Lisa Smiths chosen path.

Baghdadi's last and his successors first address have contunued the call to oppose the "west"...well we are the "west".

This one needs to be watched 25/8/366. Accept it or don't accept it, doesnt matter. The life and ideology of a Salafi Jihadist Muslim does not end in Kevin Street Garda station.

realdanbreen

John_Rambo wrote: »

She's seems to be a cross between a dimwit and a nutcase.

I wonder where they'll house her where she won't garner the attention of more dimwits and nutcases?

Achill? oh hang on...Ballinamore?

end of the road

katiek102010 wrote: »

I think the Begum case is confusing a lot of people on this issue.

it does seem to be a confusing case in itself as there are conflicting stories as to whether she was british born or actually born in bangladesh.
it will be interesting to watch to see what happens in the end.

katiek102010 wrote: »

She did go to extreme lengths to get there. I believe her marriages show that. It's a tough one but I think it could be a way for them to detain her if they can't, which I believe they can't, imprison her.

it could very well be, i would imagine that might be looked in to to see if that is possible, but i couldn't say that with certainty.
she did very much go to extreme lengths to join isis alright, then anyone who joined isis were going to extreme lengths to achieve absolutely nothing, as thankfully their state was never going to come to fruition and has ended in abject failure.

katiek102010 wrote: »

I honestly believe her parental responsibility should be removed, she is a danger to the child not only physically but emotionally.

i wouldn't disagree, but presumably if that needs to happen, then tusla will sort that out.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Is everyone ok about Turkey’s part in this? They invaded Syria, told the Kurds who have always lived there to piss off. Whilst this was going on prisoners in the camps escaped. Then Turkey started to blackmail the world by threatening to release isis members into Europe enmasse IF countries didn’t take their citizens back.

Who made Turkey the world police?

i am not okay with turkey's invasion of syria or their treatment of the kurds.
however, i am perfectly okay with them doing whatever to force countries to take back their isis members. they are absolutely correct on that score. if countries wanted to deport for example, a turkish criminal, and the turks refused to take them back, then those countries, and their people would rightly be up in arms about it.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

Not imprisoned, monitored closely as those with terrorist tendencies are in the UK, quite successfully despite last Fridays tragedy.

Ah you're safe enough so, seeing as the same happens here.

Boggles

10:30 am tomorrow she has to be charged or released.

Conall Cernach

Surely she's a mental case so can she be assessed by psychiatrists to see if she needs confined?

Zubeneschamali

osarusan wrote: »

And if so, who gets to make that decision, and how can we be sure such a power won't be abused in future?

I suggest we have written rules for what kind of badness gets you put in prison, and then we hire people to judge who has broken these, let's call them Laws.

We'll need some people to catch rulebreakers too, some sort of Guards.

We'll probably need to choose representatives to decide on the rules, too.

Janey Mack, there is a lot we need to put in place here.

realdanbreen

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1203/1096648-lisa-smiths-detention-extended-for-further-24-hours/

She's looking good anyway!

WrenBoy

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Surely she's a mental case so can she be assessed by psychiatrists to see if she needs confined?

If she understands right from wrong and is of the opinion we are all evil kaffir and need to be subjugated because we haven't embraced islam or live our lives the way mohammad did, then can you classify her as mentally disturbed ? if so we are going to need to section a lot of muslims.

paul71

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Surely she's a mental case so can she be assessed by psychiatrists to see if she needs confined?

To be fair the followers of "The fairy in the sky" take on so many hues that you could lock up 50% of population.

Mules

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

She wasn't repatriated, she was deported. We had no choice but to take her as an Irish citizen.

She wasn't deported. Turkey would have deported her if the Irish government hadn't offered to take her.

US2

She wasn't deported we bent over backwards to bring her home