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Dante7

Dante7 wrote: »

She joined ISIS in 2015, a year after it was reported that they were beheading innocent people.

Oh I'm not saying she didn't join Isis, but it's hard to prove, especially if she does just claim she wanted to live in an Islamic State

Beechwoodspark

Just to say everyone on this thread hasn’t a clue about what evidence the cops might have on her.

Including me

Dante7

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh I'm not saying she didn't join Isis, but it's hard to prove, especially if she does just claim she wanted to live in an Islamic State

They had chopped James Foley's head off. They had declared war on the west. They were a terrorist organisation. She willingly joined them. She wasn't subsumed. She took payment. They're the public facts so far, and more than enough to bring a case.

tuxy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just to say everyone on this thread hasn’t a clue about what evidence the cops might have on her.

Including me

Very true but I find talking about what laws she may have broken and what laws may fall short of protecting the citizens of this county to be interesting.

splinter65

Dante7 wrote: »

They had chopped James Foley's head off. They had declared war on the west. They were a terrorist organisation. She willingly joined them. She wasn't subsumed. She took payment. They're the public facts so far, and more than enough to bring a case.

That’s what attracted her to ISIS in the first place. She found them irresistible.

Dante7

splinter65 wrote: »

That’s what attracted her to ISIS in the first place. She found them irresistible.

No, she joined them because she believed in their cause. But she knew that that cause involved killing innocent people, and she was happy enough to go along with that.

Dante7

I saw mentioned jokingly that maybe she should be tried in the Hague. Actually, maybe she should. Can anyone really argue against ISIS not deserving war crime trials?

Wtf is going on here? Could you imagine some of these comments in 1946? Ah sure you can't prove that they knew what was going on.

SEPT 23 1989

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just to say everyone on this thread hasn’t a clue about what evidence the cops might have on her.

Including me

I believe the gardai gave no evidence on her themselves but I am hoping the UK and US spooks have fed them plenty

splinter65

Dante7 wrote: »

No, she joined them because she believed in their cause. But she knew that that cause involved killing innocent people, and she was happy enough to go along with that.

I don’t agree with you. I think that she lusted for an Islam that involved beheading and gang raping infidels.

tuxy

splinter65 wrote: »

I don’t agree with you. I think that she lusted for an Islam that involved beheading and gang raping infidels.

No she is a troubled person who once had a serious problem with drink and drugs(relieved in the BBC interview) who wrongly thinks this extreme religion is the answer to her psychological problems. As stated before by another poster, extreme religious views is not unusual in former addicts.

pablo128

tuxy wrote: »

No she is a troubled person who once had a serious problem with drink and drugs(relieved in the BBC interview) who wrongly thinks this extreme religion is the answer to her psychological problems. As stated before by another poster, extreme religious views is not unusual in former addicts.

Theres a thread ongoing about such people actually.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111920151

BorneTobyWilde

If she was deported against our wishes like some suggest, then why isn't every other fighter deported so easily? Because their home countries do not want them, and refuse to take them. What they need to do is build a prison in Syria for them, and let them rot.

malinheader

splinter65 wrote: »

I don’t agree with you. I think that she lusted for an Islam that involved beheading and gang raping infidels.

You would think with her Being an outsider especially from the west she would of probably of had to perform some kind of initiation ceremony. A show of her allegiance to ISIS. You can take your pick of things she might of been asked to do .

Lefty Bicek

I've been looking at a couple of short YT clips of her -

In this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34EfXKH2u-I

...from 43 seconds, the reporter claims that some months ago now, she at first refused to give ITV her name, and claimed that she was British.

If true, why would she do that ?

tuxy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If she was deported against our wishes like some suggest, then why isn't every other fighter deported so easily?

You should probably do a quick google before making such erroneous claims.

katiek102010

Gods Gift wrote: »

Some people are just unlucky in love.

I thought 1 was alive. She left him when he refused to go to Syria. Think he's in Tunisia or somewhere like that

tuxy

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I've been looking at a couple of short YT clips of her -

In this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34EfXKH2u-I

...from 43 seconds, the reporter claims that some months ago now, she at first refused to give ITV her name, and claimed that she was British.

If true, why would she do that ?

No surprise the woman is a liar, she probably didn't want to be deported at that stage so tried to hide who she was and where she was from.

end of the road

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If she was deported against our wishes like some suggest, then why isn't every other fighter deported so easily? Because their home countries do not want them, and refuse to take them.

other fighters are being deported. loads of them in fact.
even to countries who may be refusing to take them, for which a country can still deport people to such countries whether those countries want their citizens back or not.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What they need to do is build a prison in Syria for them, and let them rot.

that is not possible without syrian co-operation, which will not be happening.
assad and other powers do not want these people in syria, full stop. assad owes the west absolutely nothing, remember elements of it supported forces hostile to his government. not a chance will he be doing any favours for anyone other then those who helped him.

Richard Hillman

If they knew she was in our armed forces there definitely would have been suspiciousions about her. She would have had to prove herself in some way.


If we were from a larger country with a counter intelligence agency, there could even be a case to say that she could be an undercover agent :pac:

tuxy

So far Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, France, UK, USA and Ireland are countries that have had citizens deported by Turkey despite some of the countries trying to prevent it from happening. I could go on listing more countries but I think that's enough to show how serious Turkey is about deporting these terrorists.

EB_2013

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I've been looking at a couple of short YT clips of her -

In this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34EfXKH2u-I

...from 43 seconds, the reporter claims that some months ago now, she at first refused to give ITV her name, and claimed that she was British.

If true, why would she do that ?

She also tries to hide her accent in that clip when confronted compared to the RTE interview.

Miike

EB_2013 wrote: »

She also tries to hide her accent in that clip when confronted compared to the RTE interview.

The fake broken English is the icing on the cake :pac:

Lefty Bicek

EB_2013 wrote: »

She also tries to hide her accent in that clip when confronted compared to the RTE interview.

I thought that too, not only hiding the accent but faking as if English isn't her first language.

Reverted back to Dundalkese for a flash when mentioning

no smokin', no drinkin' no prostitution, no anything like this, ya know ?

tuxy

I get the impression from the interviews that she is not too bright.
I know joining IS isn't smart but even intelligent people do ****ed up things so that's not it.
She just comes across as very inarticulate.

I'm not trying to say she was naive either, she knew what she was doing.

AlekSmart

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I've been looking at a couple of short YT clips of her -

In this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34EfXKH2u-I

...from 43 seconds, the reporter claims that some months ago now, she at first refused to give ITV her name, and claimed that she was British.

If true, why would she do that ?

Perhaps because she is a Troubled person who once had problems with drink or drugs....or whatever ?

She knows the drill regarding interrogation techniques,it's probably covered somewhere in the Quran,so no problem hey ?

US2

Wonder will they just let her walk out the door or give her a full escort home when she's released.

jimd2

I see that they have to charge or release her by 10:25 am today. To me that is quite restrictive on the DPP and the Garda and as they were dealing with an unusual and probably very complex case.

There is a big push in the UK to change the various rules of detention and release in cases involving Islamic / terrorist related offences following the London Bridge attack last week. I think this should be considered here also.

realdanbreen

skooterblue2 wrote: »

They are corrupt to the core, saying that from the experience of going to school with a few of them and having a few of them married to cousins. The only time they shift is when the Minister is doing the rounds or the curry chips are going cold.

Utter nonsense. You've obviously never lived in a country where there is police corruption.

Tasfasdf

realdanbreen wrote: »

Utter nonsense. You've obviously never lived in a country where there is police corruption.

Tell that to sergeant McCabe.

Fr_Dougal

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I've been looking at a couple of short YT clips of her -

In this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34EfXKH2u-I

...from 43 seconds, the reporter claims that some months ago now, she at first refused to give ITV her name, and claimed that she was British.

If true, why would she do that ?

She couldn’t lie straight in bed.