Lisa Smith home.

BalcombeSt4

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Exactly. This is the issue, the majority of Irish people do not understand or may not know of the above.

People like "Ted1" think that women were just used for cooking, cleaning and "recreation". The facts are, ISIS women are fierce and brutal. They have been involved with routine punishment, carried out beheadings, disciplinary amputations. Others have been involved in fighting and conducted suicide attacks. But its ok.....Ted1 says she is just "1 Irish female".

As you already know, there are also plenty of accounts of ISIS women attacking children from non ISIS supporters. Fcuking bashing displaced/refugee kids with rocks in the face because you do not follow the same ideology....kids like.

Irish people would want to wake the fcuk up tbh. We have been lucky in many respects but parts of Europe are fcuked and now we have ISIS symphatisers...like Ted1...who dont see an issue with a radicalised former professional soldier, who travelled to be part of ISIS, stayed until it went tits up but now wants to come home...for the sake of her child.

Theres a reason other countries dont want to take these people back. If she comes back here she faces a number of issues.

Regular folk will be weary of speaking to her.
The Muslim community wont accept her.
She will be isolated and ostracised.
She will be monitored by security services.
It will be difficult in all respects to have a normal life.

This pushes her further away from normality. This is when she seeks out like minded individuals. This is where cultivation, recruitment and the pursuit of covert ISIS support happens. People will also seek her out.

There is no switch to simply turn this level of belief off. Worst case scenario, she directly or indirectly creates a security incident. This is how ISIS "reaches the west". The new ISIS "Emir" has directed that ISIS continue their attacks globally. Well, we have at least one confirmed ISIS member which may be coming back, and not into open arms.

She is still radicalised.
She still supports ISIS.
She is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Get bent Lisa Smith and all who support you. Some people here need to read this post again and cop themselves on. You are not immune to the effects of religious fanatacism, nor their kinetic reaponses.

I agree in principal that she shouldn't be allowed back to Ireland, the Saudi's should take her for starting this mess, but that's not likely to happen. Syria & Iraq clearly don't want her, they've been trying to get her of their lands for nearly a decade.

Everyone (I think) knows how bad ISIS are, you don't thrive in that type of organization without being ruthless, or without being a master manipulator, and manipulation is clearly what she's trying to do, with her saying she wants to take care of her child, which is clearly just an excuse to try & make the public feel sorry for her. The problem is were do you put her? You can't legally dump her in the middle of the Middle East, and if you did the person's country you dumped her on might try to take revenge against Ireland via terrorist attack, which is the problem I thought we were trying to avoid?

Signore Fancy Pants

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

The problem is were do you put her? You can't legally dump her in the middle of the Middle East, and if you did the person's country you dumped her on might try to take revenge against Ireland via terrorist attack, which is the problem I thought we were trying to avoid?

Tbh, it's not our problem, it's not even the governments problem. Ireland has so few ISIS fighters (alive) that we will not be isolated and focussed on.

Pressure is being put on Europe as a whole by Turkey. However, other EU nations have objected to taking back their ISIS citizens, therefore we wont even get a backlash from the EU. However, I dont believe she will be left stateless.

Our problem actually starts if Lisa Smith comes home. The facade may last a few short years but she's a mad one.

Also, countries (generally) don't conduct terrorist attacks on each other, that would be state-on-state conflict. I cant see a scenario whereby another country or a paramilitary/extremist group would launch an assymetric attack on Ireland due to Lisa Smith ending up in their country. Thats so far off the mark I dont even know where to begin.

Mules

Everyone keeps saying the Syrians don't want her. The Syrian authorities never got near her. It was Syrian Kurds who set up a breakaway area that didn't want her. The Iraqis have been more than happy to try foreign Isis members, including women. The Syrians may be no different.

Signore Fancy Pants

Mules wrote: »

Everyone keeps saying the Syrians don't want her. The Syrian authorities never got near her. It was Syrian Kurds who set up a breakaway area that didn't want her. The Iraqis have been more than happy to try foreign Isis members, including women. The Syrians may be no different.

Iraq were conducting "justice for money", as in charging nations a fee per ISIS person tried.

The Kurds (who have no formalised or recognised) political or judicial power in Syria were just detaining ISIS prisoners due to anti-ISIS operations with the International Coalition. It was costing them money and manpower to secure the prisons and camps.

Syria have no interest in capturing, detaining or trying ISIS fighters. Syria released a few hundread suspected ISIS fighters/families and supporters a number of months ago. Not because of due process but because it was just easier. They would rather kill them in the desert regions than hold onto them.

ted1

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

There's absolutely no talking to this ted1 character, he'll be only delighted to see her on the late late soon.

No, I just realise she’s an Irish citizen , and has different views than most. However we are it entitled to disown her.

If she committed a crime let the courts decide her faith

ted1

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

I agree in principal that she shouldn't be allowed back to Ireland, the Saudi's should take her for starting this mess

Saudis? It was America that started it, they shifted the whole balance in the region that created ISIS

Hoboo

ted1 wrote: »

If she committed a crime let the courts decide her faith

"This court finds you guilty, and hereby sentences you to Catholicism".

BalcombeSt4

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Maybe the SJW media you speak of could help shine some light on why the US's best pal in the Arab world Saudi Arabia has helped fund a number of these extremist radical groups & why ISIS & Saudi Arabia share the same Wahhabism ideology, and why so much US arms ended up in the arms of ISIS or their allies.

Or why some of the most effective groups fighting ISIS were also Islamic groups with more secular ideologies like Hezbollah, the Kurdish Peshmerga, the Badr Brigade, PKK, PFLP etc...

Because it's got nothing to do with us. I've noticed that people who oppose threads on Islam/ISIS/Religious associated violence, tend to seek to draw attention away from Europe, and focus on what the US and it's allies have been engaged in. It's tactic to distract and disperse criticism.

If you are actually serious about stopping ISIS & attacks from them & similar groups there are plenty of things to do, like not lump all Muslims & immigrants together as ISIS sympathisers, don't bomb or attack forces already fighting ISIS, support local forces in the areas fighting ISIS, stop giving so much support to the FSA who's main goal is to topel the Syrian government not ISIS, stop giving so much military aid to nations like Saudi Arabia who share a number of the same goals as ISIS.

But if your goal is to whip up fear of Muslims for far right ideogolical purposes then keep doing what your doing.

Except that he didn't lump all Muslims and all immigrants together as ISIS sympathizers, active, or former members of any similar group. You just did. Again, it's a tactic to dismiss criticisms. It's unreasonable to associate all Muslims with terrorism so, it makes sense to apply that to others objections. Just as you're raising the far right association because no reasonable criticism can come from someone who is part of such an ideology.

The sad part is that you ignore all the evidence over the years that repeatedly has shown that large parts of the Muslim population in Europe have expressed interest, and sympathy for ISIS or other groups associated with terrorism. Polls and researches have been done with Muslims themselves voicing their opinions, and they're ignored. In other cases, Muslims or those westerners who have converted to Islam, had radicalized and moved to Eastern nations to become part of those same groups.

Again.. this is not to say that all Muslims are involved. They're not. However, as long as you, and others like you, dismiss all possible criticism of Muslims, we will never be able to find out just how many are associated. Your efforts prevent any realistic investigation, because to show the slightest interest, is to be labelled far right, racist, etc.

Signore Fancy Pants

ted1 wrote: »

No, I just realise she’s an Irish citizen , and has different views than most. However we are it entitled to disown her.

If she committed a crime let the courts decide her faith

You are away with the fairies. You say she has "different views", damn right she has.

Lets say she may have committed acts which are not punishable by our laws, fair enough.

Now, have a look at what law ISIS followers obide by then, Shariah Law. Have a look at what that entails and see are you happy for her to potentially practice or expect the laws she follows to be adopted.

Are you happy for a thief for their hand or foot to be chopped off? Are you happy for an adulterer to be stoned to death?

Are you happy for her to swap back to Catholicism which can attract the death penalty under Shariah law?

A large swaith of Irish people would be in violation of various forms of Shariah Law on a daily basis. Obviously it is up to the individual Muslim Scholar or equivalant to judge how literal to follow the Law.

But Lisa is an extremist, therefore you can expect extreme punishments for even minor violations. These are her "different views".

AlekSmart

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Exactly. This is the issue, the majority of Irish people do not understand or may not know of the above.

People like "Ted1" think that women were just used for cooking, cleaning and "recreation". The facts are, ISIS women are fierce and brutal. They have been involved with routine punishment, carried out beheadings, disciplinary amputations. Others have been involved in fighting and conducted suicide attacks. But its ok.....Ted1 says she is just "1 Irish female".

As you already know, there are also plenty of accounts of ISIS women attacking children from non ISIS supporters. Fcuking bashing displaced/refugee kids with rocks in the face because you do not follow the same ideology....kids like.

Irish people would want to wake the fcuk up tbh. We have been lucky in many respects but parts of Europe are fcuked and now we have ISIS symphatisers...like Ted1...who dont see an issue with a radicalised former professional soldier, who travelled to be part of ISIS, stayed until it went tits up but now wants to come home...for the sake of her child.

Theres a reason other countries dont want to take these people back. If she comes back here she faces a number of issues.

Regular folk will be weary of speaking to her.
The Muslim community wont accept her.
She will be isolated and ostracised.
She will be monitored by security services.
It will be difficult in all respects to have a normal life.

This pushes her further away from normality. This is when she seeks out like minded individuals. This is where cultivation, recruitment and the pursuit of covert ISIS support happens. People will also seek her out.

There is no switch to simply turn this level of belief off. Worst case scenario, she directly or indirectly creates a security incident. This is how ISIS "reaches the west". The new ISIS "Emir" has directed that ISIS continue their attacks globally. Well, we have at least one confirmed ISIS member which may be coming back, and not into open arms.

She is still radicalised.
She still supports ISIS.
She is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Get bent Lisa Smith and all who support you. Some people here need to read this post again and cop themselves on. You are not immune to the effects of religious fanatacism, nor their kinetic reaponses.

The issue of her childs welfare is pertinent,and raises yet more delicate issues for various Ministers of the Irish Government.

As you suggest,this level of nutty Religious based radicalization is no respecter of age or status ?
Ms Smith may wish a strongly Muslim education with focus on religion as the base of all knowledge.
Twould be ok...Yes ?

Ms Smiths current thinking is what should be concerning the Irish authorities,however we may not have any competence to declare her safe..so it may well boil down to risk management ?

https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/yazidi-boys-forced-be-child-soldiers-isis

ted1

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Are you happy for a thief for their hand or foot to be chopped off? Are you happy for an adulterer to be stoned to death?

Are you happy for her to swap back to Catholicism which can attract the death penalty under Shariah law?
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No, but she’s Irish and is just as entitled as you and me to be here

Ash.J.Williams

HorrorScope wrote: »

They won’t deal the justice she deserves, a slap on the wrist and off in to obscurity or the late late. The only acceptable outcome for Lisa Smith is a bullet between the eyes.

We don’t do that here

Ash.J.Williams

ted1 wrote: »

No, but she’s Irish and is just as entitled as you and me to be here

Her kids are she’s not really

Signore Fancy Pants

ted1 wrote: »

No, but she’s Irish and is just as entitled as you and me to be here

By all means, don't bother addressing any valid points which have been made in this thread.

Just continue to keep it simple. Good man Ted.

ted1

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

By all means, don't bother addressing any valid points which have been made in this thread.

Just continue to keep it simple. Good man Ted.

It is that simple.

Ash.J.Williams

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

We don’t do that here

True enough. We don't. But we could 'allow' her to be taken by US intelligence for her terrorist links, and so, she disappears into Guantanamo Bay. And we have allowed the US intelligence forces to operate on Irish soil, with very weak objections, that were quickly forgotten.

She's a member of an international terrorist organisation. She might claim to have left but I suspect it's like the Mafia. Once in, never completely out. She should be tried as a terrorist, and exiled to some other country that is willing to settle the matter.

Signore Fancy Pants

ted1 wrote: »

It is that simple.

Only to people who can't comprehend the serverity of the situation.

Its actually quite complex with a mix of child welfare, strategic national policy and international relations to name but a few. IF it was that simple, she would be home weeks ago.

Best of luck Ted, I can see your mind is not for changing, Allah only knows what it would take. It is unsettling when such a simplistic view is taken, lets hope those in appropriate positions don't have the same limited mindset.

jmreire

ted1 wrote: »

No, but she’s Irish and is just as entitled as you and me to be here

Yes, under our Law's and Constitution....and of course our "Democracy "...I have often made the point that "Democracy will be the death of Democracy", and your post is a case in point. Radical Islam ( or indeed any Islam) but the radical version's especially, are completely anti-democratic. Unless the govt comes up with a solution, legally and democratically, there is not a lot that can be done with Lisa.( except 24/7 monitoring etc ) The same situation would not exist in an Islamic Country.

jmreire

Mules wrote: »

Everyone keeps saying the Syrians don't want her. The Syrian authorities never got near her. It was Syrian Kurds who set up a breakaway area that didn't want her. The Iraqis have been more than happy to try foreign Isis members, including women. The Syrians may be no different.

Oh, but the Syrian's did get their hand's on many isis fighter's Mules, and meted out there own brand of Justice. Not in any Court of Law though..Any isis ( or other ) prisoner's the Syrian Army took got short shrift. Interrogation, and execution, job done, exactly what isis had done to their prisoner's. You never hear much about any prisoners that the Syrian Army took, but they took a lot.

end of the road

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Her kids are she’s not really

she absolutely is really.
she was born in this country.
ergo, irish.

Deleted User wrote: »

True enough. We don't. But we could 'allow' her to be taken by US intelligence for her terrorist links, and so, she disappears into Guantanamo Bay. And we have allowed the US intelligence forces to operate on Irish soil, with very weak objections, that were quickly forgotten.

if the US wanted her they would have already got to her and taken her.
they aren't interested, nobody is interested in her, there are no countries to palm her off or force her on. she goes back to where she came from, as is absolutely correct.

Deleted User wrote: »

She's a member of an international terrorist organisation. She might claim to have left but I suspect it's like the Mafia. Once in, never completely out. She should be tried as a terrorist, and exiled to some other country that is willing to settle the matter.

that has already happened, ireland is the only one who can settle the matter. there are no other countries willing to, nor are interested in settling the matter of taking on other country's terrorists, and rightly so.
it is not the job of other countries to take on someone else's terrorists.
she will be tried as a terrorist here if there is evidence sufficient to satisfy our terrorism laws, mainly the act from 2005.

Feisar

Unfortunately ted1 is right Éire cannot disown her and capital punishment is gone.

jmreire

BBC Report from 22.11.2019:
Syria conflict: UK to repatriate orphaned children.
BBC Middle East Correspondent Quentin Sommerville said the orphaned children were handed over to a delegation from the Foreign Office and had left Syria, with diplomats saying they were doing "very well".
And to date,
1,200 foreign nationals have been repatriated from both Syria and Iraq to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Russia, Kosovo, and Turkey.
It would seem that repatriation is being speeded up...incentivised by Trump's threat?

rgossip30

No she is not home and it seems not for another while . The flight to Baldonnel was soldiers returning from duty in the Lebanon .

Signore Fancy Pants

rgossip30 wrote: »

No she is not home and it seems not for another while . The flight to Baldonnel was soldiers returning from duty in the Lebanon .

It wasnt. The flight to Baldonnel was a DOJ migrant flight.

Signore Fancy Pants

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

It wasnt. The flight to Baldonnel was a DOJ migrant flight.

That plane can carry 180 passengers. Wonder if it was full.

jmayo

rgossip30 wrote: »

No she is not home and it seems not for another while . The flight to Baldonnel was soldiers returning from duty in the Lebanon .

No it was not.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

That plane can carry 180 passengers. Wonder if it was full.

No 100, but no Lisa.
If she was on board it might not have gone down so well with the real refugees who were probably on board due to her beloved ISIS.

rgossip30

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

It wasnt. The flight to Baldonnel was a DOJ migrant flight.

There is still no definite proof but they are not brought in through civilian airports .

Signore Fancy Pants

rgossip30 wrote: »

There is still no definite proof but they are not brought in through civilian airports .

Migrants? It defo wasnt soldiers landing in Bal. Im one of the lads that came home from Lebanon last Monday...we landed in Dublin airport.

AlekSmart

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Migrants? It defo wasnt soldiers landing in Bal. Im one of the lads that came home from Lebanon last Monday...we landed in Dublin airport.

Could it have been an outward bound flight ??.....I'll get my anorak :eek:

ChikiChiki

ISIS are the most barbaric group of our time. At the point Lisa Smith joined them there were videos online a couple of years at that stage of them throwing people of buildings for their sexuality and burning people alive in cages. They actively went out of their way to give people the most appalling torturous deaths. You can be guaranteed all of us on boards who didn't agree with them would meet a ghastly end if it came to it.

She knew what she was getting into. Absolutely 110% she should be left stateless. It sets a strong precedent. I do not want to see her walking the streets of Ireland whatsoever.