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Council begins evictions

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    #62
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    what I find incredible Matt, is that no amount is too much for your working gob****e to pay, 50% of income, no problem, hand it over! And those paying that amount could be described as low paid workers, yet on the other hand, we can give other people with limited means, housing for 15% or some joke of income? total, total comedy!

    so much for FG claim of representing workers, as if they would lose votes from the can work, wont work brigade. Shows you what spineless rats they really are....

    I feel your pain a lot of us are in the too rich to catch a break or not rich enough category.
    These are things need addressing but I wouldn't look to those worse off. I'm happy some of my tax goes towards folk worse off.
    Not so much when wasted on sweet deals for billionaires mind.
    Uproar on these boards when the Indo featured scrounger of the week gets a council flat, but a shrug and a 'sure the others are worse' when we see billions piddled away.


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    #63
    Plumbthedepths
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    you think this kind of bull**** , goes on in any other eu country? that amount lavished on them, while other "poor" people, pay out 50% of their income on rent, and actually work to pay for the privilege? :rolleyes:

    Of course here I will be accused of being right wing, over in the states a few months ago and I'd have been described as left to far left by many over there!

    Many might find their system OTT, well welcome to Irish banana republic and the other extreme! :rolleyes:

    You think my post was genuine? Seriously. I suggest you do some research. Vienna for example has a very good social housing policy. Intergenerational renting based on income and security to remain in the dwelling till death.


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    #64
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Pappa Dolla is correct here. Council's don't deal with waste anymore, or havent done so in decades. It's one of the reasons people dump everywhere.

    see this is the problem

    "they don't get free houses"
    30 quid a week......which comes out of their social, making it effectively free, and for the half that arent even paying that....

    "the councils don't deal with rubbish" directly no, but they clean up the piles of it that are left roadside every week. Effectively free yet again.


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    #65
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It also explains despite claims to the contrary by ill informed idiots that the houses are not free.

    Is that supposed to answer my question or defecting from my question?


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    #66
    Idbatterim
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You're very angry. You should try meditation, or a nice walk.

    I know a lot of people and work colleagues, screwed by this housing crisis! I take it you arent renting a one bed in average area of dublin thats a new build for 2,000 a month? no need to answer. But its so great to know, that many are paying way less rent than they should or just sitting on their holes, no worries, no commute, guaranteed income etc. Yeah, they truly are so vulnerable etc :rolleyes:


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    #67
    James Brown
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    Duke of Url wrote: »
    This is from the Irish times Oct 2018 but I’m not sure if its per household or per earner

    I'd really need context to comment. A link maybe.


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    #68
    Plumbthedepths
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If your landlord is giving you 200 a week for you to live because you have no job but is also taking back 20 for "rent", thats a free house.

    If you have a job and are paying well under the going rate for a house because the council is youre landlord, the whole amount may not be free but its definitely subsidised
    You're not paying under the rate, you are paying what the council deems is appropriate to your situation. Same as private rents are not standardized.You seem to want equality of misery, why?


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    #69
    James Brown
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    see this is the problem

    "they don't get free houses"
    30 quid a week......which comes out of their social, making it effectively free, and for the half that arent even paying that....

    "the councils don't deal with rubbish" directly no, but they clean up the piles of it that are left roadside every week. Effectively free yet again.

    No it doesn't they pay rent based on income. Low income = low rent. That's the point. They can't afford regular market rent.
    Better have them there than in the Gresham right?


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    #70
    Plumbthedepths
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    Duke of Url wrote: »
    Is that supposed to answer my question or defecting from my question?

    If a tenant is meeting their obligations under their tenancy to their respective council there is no mechanism in place at present to force them to vacant if their income exceeds the threshold they qualified under. Make respesentations to your local TD to have the system changed if it irks you so much.


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    #71
    Guy:Incognito
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You're not paying under the rate, you are paying what the council seems is appropriate to your situation. Same as private rents are not standardized.You seem to want equality of misery, why?

    Of course its under the market rate. What would a private renter pay for the same house next door? The council only make correct decisions do they?


    Equality of misery? Lets use your terminology so, why should someone who goes out working every week be worse off than someone who doesnt work? Why is it ok for misery to not be equal as long as the person more miserable is the one putting in the most effort?


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    #72
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's really easy to Google, but it's a percentage of the household income, the rates are at each Councils discretion.

    Council houses are for people who require them based on there circumstances.

    The issue I have with the model is that it promotes people to purposely stay under the threshold once on the housing list but then when a house is received they can earn large wages.

    People in Council houses know that they will never have issues with eviction if they play the system correctly.

    Building more council houses doesn’t solve anything. It just adds more players into the Council housing game.

    I believe they should ditch the Council houses and focus on Emergency housing that’s permanently means tested.

    As people find there feet then off they go into the world of the private housing.


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    #73
    Guy:Incognito
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    No it doesn't they pay rent based on income. Low income = low rent. That's the point. They can't afford regular market rent.
    Better have them there than in the Gresham right?

    What happens to a couple with 2 kids who collectivly earn 37,000 a year (iirc 36500 is the cut off for eligibility for a council house) They would be paying half that for rent alone in a house. That leaves 18,500 . That leaves €355 a week for 2 adults and 2 kids to live on. Theyd be better off on the dole , even before you take out the cost of working.

    Whos the real low income family in that scenario?


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    #74
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    irish councils, what can you say?

    what do they do here? block as much development as possible. Have much of dublin still looking like a disgrace after TWO booms in close succession. Tarmac as the footpath on O'Connell bridge, yes TARMAC for years! in a city that generates huge amounts from tourism, the same tourism they want to stymy by blocking hotel development!


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    #75
    Plumbthedepths
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Of course its under the market rate. What would a private renter pay for the same house next door? The council only make correct decisions do they?

    You can always lobby your local politicians to change the system.
    Equality of misery? Lets use your terminology so, why should someone who goes out working every week be worse off than someone who doesnt work? Why is it ok for misery to not be equal as long as the person more miserable is the one putting in the most effort?
    By your logic only the work shy live in council houses.


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    #76
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    No it doesn't they pay rent based on income. Low income = low rent. That's the point. They can't afford regular market rent.
    Better have them there than in the Gresham right?

    1) and if you don't have an income because you are on social welfare.... do they still give you a property ....

    2) nobody is suggesting they stay in the gresham, love how theres no middle ground in there at all...


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    #77
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    What happens to a couple with 2 kids who collectivly earn 37,000 a year (iirc 36500 is the cut off for eligibility for a council house) They would be paying half that for rent alone in a house. That leaves 18,500 . That leaves €355 a week for 2 adults and 2 kids to live on. Theyd be better off on the dole , even before you take out the cost of working.

    Whos the real low income family in that scenario?

    nail on the head, its so obvious its off the wall! The poor working idiots are commuting too most likely , car expense, maybe uniform, work clothes etc! I know how who is getting the ****ty end of the stick and "its the vulnerable" not "de vulnerabble and their angles"!


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    #78
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It's not really though is it? It's about how great the gougers have it and they should all be thrown out onto the street.
    eh no. its all there in the OP.


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    #79
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    1) and if you don't have an income because you are on social welfare.... do they still give you a property ....

    2) nobody is suggesting they stay in the gresham, love how theres no middle ground in there at all...

    eric cartman, welcome to the party! better late than never ;)


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    #80
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    By your logic only the work shy live in council houses.

    and by your logic everything can be deflected by not answering actual points made.

    If you are in a council house and start earning above the threshold that would have prevented you getting the house, you should be paying full market rate.

    As for being work shy, it should never be financially better for someone to be on the dole than working.


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    #81
    Jeff2
    Registered Users Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    You can use mybills.ie to pay the rent.

    It seems to be down at the moment for some reason.. :D

    Panic.


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    #82
    Plumbthedepths
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    and by your logic everything can be deflected by not answering actual points made.

    If you are in a council house and start earning above the threshold that would have prevented you getting the house, you should be paying full market rate.

    As for being work shy, it should never be financially better for someone to be on the dole than working.

    Best you lobby the council so to make the changes you would like to see regarding market rate. Be sure to keep the thread up dated with your endeavours.


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    #83
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Best you lobby the council so to make the changes you would like to see regarding market rate. Be sure to keep the thread up dated with your endeavours.

    Full of opinions till you have to actually counter a point, eh?

    Presumably you have the same view on every forum and dont give opinions but go contact the relevant body/group/sports club etc instead?


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    #84
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Fanny **** wrote: »
    I'm going to be honest I don't get your drift. WTF are you on about?
    Poster is miserable because the world doesn’t work for him and it’s all the world’s fault.

    Should probably stick to the incel sites he’s been linking.


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    #85
    Plumbthedepths
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Full of opinions till you have to actually counter a point, eh?

    Presumably you have the same view on every forum and dont give opinions but go contact the relevant body/group/sports club etc instead?

    Counter what point? you want to see full market rate for certain council tenants. As it currently stands it won't happen. No amount of whinging here will achieve your desired wish, my suggestion was constructive. Lobby your local politicians to change the system.


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    #86
    suicide_circus
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Counter what point? you want to see full market rate for certain council tenants. As it currently stands it won't happen. No amount of whinging here will achieve your desired wish, my suggestion was constructive. Lobby your local politicians to change the system.

    ah here, if we're not allowed whinge you might as well close down the site


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    #87
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Counter what point? you want to see full market rate for certain council tenants. As it currently stands it won't happen. No amount of whinging here will achieve your desired wish, my suggestion was constructive. Lobby your local politicians to change the system.

    Just to be clear. Am I right in saying you have no opinion on the Council Housing Model?


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    #88
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Counter what point? you want to see full market rate for certain council tenants. As it currently stands it won't happen. No amount of whinging here will achieve your desired wish, my suggestion was constructive. Lobby your local politicians to change the system.

    Why should people who, after getting a council house, start earning above the threshold for the house, not be paying full market rate for that house, as they would have to if they had the job all along?


    and does your attitude of any opinions expressed here should be taken up with the council instead extend to your own opinions across the site?


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    #89
    James Brown
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    1) and if you don't have an income because you are on social welfare.... do they still give you a property ....

    Yes, thankfully. Personally I'd rather that than paying for a hotel.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    2) nobody is suggesting they stay in the gresham, love how theres no middle ground in there at all...

    I'm sure they stay in ****ty ones too, but...
    Gresham hotel in Dublin gets €2.7m to house homeless
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gresham-hotel-in-dublin-gets-2-7m-to-house-homeless-5lqhlb275

    Better that than them paying us a pittance of rent to live in houses we own right?


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    #90
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    in relation to the post above, are these people in council housing paying LPT? are they paying a management fee if in apartment etc?

    No.


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    #91
    Plumbthedepths
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Why should people who, after getting a council house, start earning above the threshold for the house, not be paying full market rate for that house, as they would have to if they had the job all along?


    and does your attitude of any opinions expressed here should be taken up with the council instead extend to your own opinions across the site?
    I suggest you deal with my responses here, my posts elsewhere are irrelevant and frankly you seem to wish to become personal, a behaviour I won't indulge in.


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