The Farming Protest @ Dublin City Centre

elperello

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Peaceful protest

Is "peaceful protest" agricultural use of a vehicle?

Beechwoodspark

elperello wrote: »

Is "peaceful protest" agricultural use of a vehicle?

They need to ramp it up elp

Galwayguy35

Allinall wrote: »

On public roads?

I don’t think so.

Of course on public roads, how do you think they draw silage and turf etc.

whelan2

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Of course on public roads, how do you think they draw silage and turf etc.

When they get to the gate of a field they change the diesel from green to white.......then back from white to green going back onto the farm

elperello

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They need to ramp it up elp

I fully understand that but we are talking about green diesel here.

elperello

whelan2 wrote: »

When they get to the gate of a field they change the diesel from green to white.......then back from white to green going back onto the farm

Very good but you know why farmers enjoy the reduced price diesel and it is a support for agricultural use.

orm0nd

Allinall wrote: »

On public roads?

I don’t think so.

Think again

you obviously haven't a clue

Allinall

orm0nd wrote: »

Think again

you obviously haven't a clue

If customs dip a tractor on Stephen’s Green and find green diesel, the owner is looking at a €2,500 fine.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/01/22/4168068-fresh-mayo-clampdown-on-green-diesel-use/

Bishop of hope

I've never hear of a farmer being prosecuted for marked gas oil in a ractor, I don't think the above article is about tractors.

FrancieBrady

Allinall wrote: »

If customs dip a tractor on Stephen’s Green and find green diesel, the owner is looking at a €2,500 fine.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/01/22/4168068-fresh-mayo-clampdown-on-green-diesel-use/

As somebody else said, you don't know what you are talking about.

the concession seems
to apply only to “non-road mobile” machinery including, for instance, tractors.
The actual legislation dealing with the use of marked fuel oil, also known as
MGO, suggests it is an offence to have marked fuel oil in any motor vehicles designed, constructed or modified to be suitable for use on roads, with the exception of tractors, road rollers, cranes, o-road dumpers, mobile well drilling
equipment, or mobile concrete pumping equipment.
If we examine the differences between Revenue’s guidance and the actual legislation, we can see that the legislation allows for the use of MGO in tractors regardless of whether they are road mobile or not.

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-examiner-farming/20190704/281655371627632

fryup

they all drive nice big tractors...they can't all being doing badly

whelan2

fryup wrote: »

they all drive nice big tractors...they can't all being doing badly

I am sure most of them aren't paid for and not ALL farmers drive big tractors

ITman88

fryup wrote: »

they all drive nice big tractors...they can't all being doing badly

They also have big sheds, but nobody's allowed in. And in these sheds they have 20ft high chickens!

elperello

whelan2 wrote: »

I am sure most of them aren't paid for and not ALL farmers drive big tractors

True, but the farmer's tractor must be paid for out of the profit from the enterprise.

Having said that most of the really big tractors are run by contractors anyway so all is not as it seems.

Beechwoodspark

The farmers need to ramp this up from now until Christmas

MrMusician18

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The farmers need to ramp this up from now until Christmas

What will that achieve?

elperello

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The farmers need to ramp this up from now until Christmas

As you said before.
What sort of ramp up did you have in mind.
They have already brought half of Dublin to a standstill.
How much more of this before they provoke a backlash that will outweigh any gain in price?

Beechwoodspark

elperello wrote: »

As you said before.
What sort of ramp up did you have in mind.
They have already brought half of Dublin to a standstill.
How much more of this before they provoke a backlash that will outweigh any gain in price?

I’m an outlier but I’d be fine with them breaking the food supply chain until they get their deserved prices guaranteed.

fryup

hunger strike ?

Beechwoodspark

fryup wrote: »

hunger strike ?

Once they Bring to bear their considerable influence.

elperello

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m an outlier but I’d be fine with them breaking the food supply chain until they get their deserved prices guaranteed.

An outlier - you said it yourself.

Good job you are not in charge of the strategy such as it is.
You seriously want them to starve their fellow citizens into submission.
Never mind that they need to move cattle on or else face even more losses.

Only hope now is that the newly crowned T Cullinan will get stuck in and sort it out.

thebaz

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The farmers need to ramp this up from now until Christmas

Yeah , make ordinary working Dublin people suffer, who are also trying to make a living, for something that is nothing to do with them - take the ****ing issue to whoever you have the issue with - not ordinary Dubliners.

FrancieBrady

thebaz wrote: »

Yeah , make ordinary working Dublin people suffer, who are also trying to make a living, for something that is nothing to do with them - take the ****ing issue to whoever you have the issue with - not ordinary Dubliners.

One of the disadvantages of living in the centre of power sadly. But you have plenty of advantages too.

end of the road

thebaz wrote: »

Yeah , make ordinary working Dublin people suffer, who are also trying to make a living, for something that is nothing to do with them - take the ****ing issue to whoever you have the issue with - not ordinary Dubliners.

ordinary working dublin people are not being made to suffer, they are potentially being inconvenienced by a protest for which they can plan around, the same as anyone else when we know something is happening that may effect our original plans or routes. i'm sorry, but if you want to talk about people suffering then there are actual people suffering around the world due to various issues, even here in ireland. but being inconvenienced by a protest is not one of those issues that cause actual suffering in reality as much as it might be a bit annoying.
protesting causes disruption, that's just life, it's generally for the greater good and is a vital part of democracy.

Millionaire only not

I don’t agree with these protests being brought to Dublin! first one maybe but it’s just turning into a farce !
From blockades of factories to distributors, going on 3/4 months and no result not one !
Leo was quick to jump to child crèche defence yesterday with A super tax on insurance companies if they don’t play ball !
Yet Leo is well prepared to let our beef baron get away with paying no tax , and leading to this situation that’s having effect on everyone in this country!
P

X111111111111

They should be baton charged off the streets and have their tractors impounded.

rolling boh

Do not believe these splinter groups whatever their grievances are should be able to cause such disruption to the general public. No problem with a major protest for a cause but blocking the city in parts and wasting police time for small groups like this is not on .Also what do they really think they are going to achieve by this carry on .

gmisk

I didn't notice any issues on bus today, also work beside merrion square and saw no one is it still going on today?

gmisk

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fully behind the farmers

Keep it up

Ramp it up!!

The public are behind you

Are the public really behind them though? I think in principle most people are....but when your commute home is a nightmare because of them...I think they have lost support

wrangler

gmisk wrote: »

I didn't notice any issues on bus today, also work beside merrion square and saw no one is it still going on today?

I hear they were ran outa town during the night, but ''they'll be back''

Chips Lovell

If they carry out their threat and there is "no food in Dublin this Christmas" we can just eat farmers instead.

gmisk

wrangler wrote: »

I hear they were ran outa town during the night, but ''they'll be back''

Hasta la Vista!

gmisk

Chips Lovell wrote: »

If they carry out their threat and there is "no food in Dublin this Christmas" we can just eat farmers instead.

They wouldn't taste nice...too bitter...

Shuhada Davitt

so, on the one hand they are saying "sorry" to the public for the disruption, but on the other hand their whole threat is to take away produce from normal peoples christmas tables?

these animals should be rounded up, slaughtered and served up with a nice gravy themselves.

pigs.

Annd9

end of the road wrote: »

ordinary working dublin people are not being made to suffer, they are potentially being inconvenienced by a protest for which they can plan around, the same as anyone else when we know something is happening that may effect our original plans or routes. i'm sorry, but if you want to talk about people suffering then there are actual people suffering around the world due to various issues, even here in ireland. but being inconvenienced by a protest is not one of those issues that cause actual suffering in reality as much as it might be a bit annoying.
protesting causes disruption, that's just life, it's generally for the greater good and is a vital part of democracy.

Tell that to the people trying to visit any of the 3 major hospitals in the Dublin city centre , yesterday evening I saw two Ambulance's and a fire engine stuck in chaotic traffic but sure it's grand they're only dubs ....

Edgware

whelan2 wrote: »

When they get to the gate of a field they change the diesel from green to white.......then back from white to green going back onto the farm

Thatas right. Unless you are one of Slabs customers where one size fit all

Balf

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

so, on the one hand they are saying "sorry" to the public for the disruption, but on the other hand their whole threat is to take away produce from normal peoples christmas tables?
.

Empty threat. The beef these guys produce is overwhelmingly for export.

The food on our tables - and their's, ironically, - is frequently imported.

jmayo

Maybe Simon Coveney could step in and act as go between for the beef farmers and the beef processor(s) to try get a better deal for farmers :rolleyes:

Balf

jmayo wrote: »

Maybe Simon Coveney could step in and act as go between for the beef farmers and the beef processor(s) to try get a better deal for farmers :rolleyes:

Because a better deal for the taxpayer and the customer is out of the question.

gozunda

Balf wrote: »

Because a better deal for the taxpayer and the customer is out of the question.

Two things

They could certainly join the protest

Farmers are also taxpayers and customers

Shuhada Davitt

why do the farmers think that they are so important though?
we can import all our food for cheaper, and fvck them. they're private businesses, and by the very nature of "private businesses" you take a risk by starting one up.

if farming is dying out, then so be it. there's plenty of other sources for food.

Robson99

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

why do the farmers think that they are so important though?
we can import all our food for cheaper, and fvck them. they're private businesses, and by the very nature of "private businesses" you take a risk by starting one up.

if farming is dying out, then so be it. there's plenty of other sources for food.

As I said previously if they only let farmers use hormones and Angel dust then we could give you cheaper meat. Tasty

feartuath

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

why do the farmers think that they are so important though?
we can import all our food for cheaper, and fvck them. they're private businesses, and by the very nature of "private businesses" you take a risk by starting one up.

if farming is dying out, then so be it. there's plenty of other sources for food.

Agri food Industry is being kept alive by the underpaid farmer.
Tourists come here to see our green country managed by the underpaid farmer.
Machinery industry.
Most towns and small businesses are kept alive by the underpaid farmer.

Shuhada Davitt

feartuath wrote: »

Agri food Industry is being kept alive by the underpaid farmer.
Tourists come here to see our green country managed by the underpaid farmer.
Machinery industry.
Most towns and small businesses are kept alive by the underpaid farmer.

for what reason though? so tourists can look at our greenery?
nobody wants what they are selling, most of the food eaten in ireland in import anyway, and the farmers took a risk by being farmers in a private business in the first place.

they should be let to rise or fall individually.
nobody agrees with their protests, nobody wants them clogging up the streets and nobody cares about their private businesses.

they bleat and moan about how hard they have it - getting up early and the lifestyle of it being "every day" and poor me etc... nobody asked them to do it, they decided at free will to become farmers, knowing the conditions of work and knowing that the pay doesnt reflect the hours put in.
why would anyone choose that lifestyle?

it's pure greed driving their protest. they want to be millionaires, but they never will be, so give it up lads. nobody wants your moaning or your overpriced dead animals

end of the road

Annd9 wrote: »

Tell that to the people trying to visit any of the 3 major hospitals in the Dublin city centre , yesterday evening I saw two Ambulance's and a fire engine stuck in chaotic traffic but sure it's grand they're only dubs ....

lots of things can cause traffic issues and unfortunately can cause emergency services to get stuck the odd time.
the way to deal with that issue is to force as much car traffic out of the city as possible.
if one agrees with protesting then they have to accept that disruption may be caused.

end of the road

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

why do the farmers think that they are so important though?

they don't.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

we can import all our food for cheaper, and fvck them.

well, whether we can import our food for cheaper or not, unless it's from another EU nation, then the quality may not be to the same standards.
not to mention that relying on imports alone is certainly not a good strategy as supply chains can dry up, and if for whatever reasons importing becomes problematic we have nothing to fall back on. at least while the irish farmers are producing, we have a fallback.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

they're private businesses, and by the very nature of "private businesses" you take a risk by starting one up.

that's ultimately irrelevant to what is going on here.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

if farming is dying out, then so be it.

it's not dying out, so not so be it.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

there's plenty of other sources for food.

which cannot wholey be relied on for our food.
as i said, simply importing alone is not a viable strategy, both due to quality depending on the source, and the risks of relying on being an import only nation for food, for which is risky.

Thelonious Monk

feartuath wrote: »

Tourists come here to see our green country managed by the underpaid farmer.
Machinery industry.

If we didn't farm every inch of land on the island they'd have far more to look at. It's basically one giant cattle farm.

end of the road

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

for what reason though? so tourists can look at our greenery?

to benefit our economy, to keep another supply chain open. to bring in revenue to businesses which in turn pay tax which in turn bring in money.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

nobody wants what they are selling,

the fact it is being bought says otherwise.
if nobody wanted what they are selling then they wouldn't be producing at all and nobody would be bying it.
they are producing, and the produce is being bought.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

most of the food eaten in ireland in import anyway, and the farmers took a risk by being farmers in a private business in the first place.

again, the fact they took a risk of being a private business has no relevance here and to what is going on.
it's essentially nothing more then a meaningless soundbite.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

they should be let to rise or fall individually.

they are.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

nobody agrees with their protests, nobody wants them clogging up the streets and nobody cares about their private businesses.

presumably you have done a survey to show this to be the case?
is it online by any chance? i wouldn't mind seeing the results for myself, or if it is still available to do, i wouldn't mind doing it if that is possible. thanks.

end of the road

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

they bleat and moan about how hard they have it - getting up early and the lifestyle of it being "every day" and poor me etc...

no different to a number of others in this country.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

nobody asked them to do it, they decided at free will to become farmers, knowing the conditions of work and knowing that the pay doesnt reflect the hours put in.

there is a difference between the pay not reflecting something, and possibly not being paid for the amount of stuff you give to someone, which seems to be what is going on here.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

why would anyone choose that lifestyle?

why does anyone choose any lifestyle?

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

it's pure greed driving their protest.

is it?

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

they want to be millionaires, but they never will be, so give it up lads.

everyone wants to be a millionair. nothing wrong with that. however the farmers, and the rest of us, aren't expecting to be one, so not give it up lads.

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

nobody wants your moaning or your overpriced dead animals

the fact that their very cheap dead animals are being sold says that they are wanted.
oh dear, more swings and misses i'm afraid.

Robson99

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

nobody wants what they are selling, most of the food eaten in ireland in import anyway, and the farmers took a risk by being farmers in a private business in the first place

30,000 head of cattle killed weekly says otherwise