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Josepha Madigan wants parents to talk to children about sex education

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    #32
    James Brown
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yes. I used to have dealings with her. Shes really bossy and would always correct me when i said her name wrong. Its josEEEpha.

    These religious conservative types tend to be the worst kind of hypocrites. Go to mass but **** on their neighbour*.

    (not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)


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    #33
    Calhoun
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    I would say sex education needs to be taught both at home and in school. It should not be a taboo subject.

    Leaving it to be taught only at home is a recipe for disaster as in my day it was having a facts of life book thrown at you. The educational component should provide the depth and then the parents can add on top and help ask questions their kids have.


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So she's wrong by the sounds of your home spun curriculum ;)

    Can you explain?


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    #35
    Cyrus
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Bias could be anything from homosexuality is wrong to plain stupidity like you can't get pregnant if you do x, y and z.

    I've been talking to my children about sex in an age appropriate way since they were toddlers.

    Each to their own but I don’t think toddlers need to be spoken to about Sex


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    #36
    suicide_circus
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    These religious conservative types tend to be the worst kind of hypocrites.
    also the filthiest perverts


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    #37
    James Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you explain?

    When a man and woman love each other...

    Your backward attitude boss.
    Depends on whether or not topics such as "gender identity" and "gender fluid" ****e is on the curriculum.

    These people exist. It's best to be informed rather than sticking your head up your arse*.

    (also not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)


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    #38
    eviltwin
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    Each to their own but I don’t think toddlers need to be spoken to about Sex

    We don't talk about sex, we answer them in an honest, age appropriate way. So when my three year old asked where he came from we told him he grew in mums tummy none of this he came from a cabbage stuff.


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    #39
    Calhoun
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    We don't talk about sex, we answer them in an honest, age appropriate way. So when my three year old asked where he came from we told him he grew in mums tummy none of this he came from a cabbage stuff.

    I would also say there is merit in teaching children what is inappropriate from a touching perspective.

    I suppose it depends on the age that you do It but considering allot of the recent scandals most recent the scouts having your kids forearmed with what is right and wrong and how they can communicate will better protect them.


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    #40
    Cyrus
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    We don't talk about sex, we answer them in an honest, age appropriate way. So when my three year old asked where he came from we told him he grew in mums tummy none of this he came from a cabbage stuff.

    That’s fair enough but not particularly unusual

    I thought you were advocating something else


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    #41
    HorrorScope
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    When a man and woman love each other...

    Your backward attitude boss.



    These people exist. It's best to be informed rather than sticking your head up your arse*.

    (also not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)


    Not necessary, those people are a minority and should be treated as such. There is no need for school age children to know about that nonsense.


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    #42
    Gynoid
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    sex ed in my school was laughable but we figured it out as did pretty much everyone throughout history as well as all the other animal species. the clinical act itself is pretty self explanatory. its the feelings and emotions involved that no amount of department of education approved classes can prepare you for.

    Dont you be saying sensible things now. Children have to be taught by well prepared educators about how to touch themselves, for goodness sake.


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    #43
    [Deleted User]
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    When a man and woman love each other...

    Your backward attitude boss.



    These people exist. It's best to be informed rather than sticking your head up your arse*.

    (also not a part of the sex ed. curriculum AFAIK)

    If you think that not wanting my 8 year old daughter to be taught about gender fluidity or pangenderism or other such topics that are of no benefit to a child is backwards, then I am glad to be deemed backwards.

    These people exist? So do furries, so do BDSM groups, so do people into feltching. Are you going to tell your child about dogging and the spots people use? Fisting too? I suppose you could get the Glitter Hole gang in to teach the class.

    Gender identity has no place in a pre pubescent sex ed class. FFS up to a year ago my daughter was identifying as a princess unicorn. Now that she has grown out of it, you want a teacher to tell her that if she identifies as a boy, she can actually be one?

    Yeah.... Backwards seems alright to me


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    #44
    James Brown
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    HorrorScope wrote: »
    Not necessary, those people are a minority and should be treated as such. There is no need for school age children to know about that nonsense.

    I'll give you benefit of the doubt and take it you mean because there aren't that many they shouldn't be covered?

    Acknowledging their existence, be you a rabid bigot or not, just makes logical sense. Knowing about gays never made anyone more or less gay but it might have helped a few people to know they weren't alone.


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    #45
    James Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you think that not wanting my 8 year old daughter to be taught about gender fluidity or pangenderism or other such topics that are of no benefit to a child is backwards, then I am glad to be deemed backwards.

    These people exist? So do furries, so do BDSM groups, so do people into feltching. Are you going to tell your child about dogging and the spots people use? Fisting too? I suppose you could get the Glitter Hole gang in to teach the class.

    Gender identity has no place in a pre pubescent sex ed class. FFS up to a year ago my daughter was identifying as a princess unicorn. Now that she has grown out of it, you want a teacher to tell her that if she identifies as a boy, she can actually be one?

    Yeah.... Backwards seems alright to me

    Age appropriateness, of course. When a kid goes out into the world, I'd like them to know what to expect.


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    #46
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    I don't consider it the states job to educate my kids on sex education.
    I don't want them being told homosexuality is either right or normal or that there are hundreds of genders. A stance that goes against my families religious beliefs...queue homophobe comments.

    I dont have any phobias about homosexuality or people thinking they are lampshades !!


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    #47
    Gynoid
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Age appropriateness, of course. When a kid goes out into the world, I'd like them to know what to expect.

    Ummm. I have a few children, a long sexually active marriage and I dont know what feltching is. :(


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    Gynoid wrote: »
    Ummm. I have a few children, a long sexually active marriage and I dont know what feltching is. :(

    Meet me outside in 5. I'll teach you


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    bo0li5eumx12kp
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    Ashton Echoing Saber wrote: »
    I don't consider it the states job to educate my kids on sex education.
    I don't want them being told homosexuality is either right or normal or that there are hundreds of genders. A stance that goes against my families religious beliefs...queue homophobe comments.

    I dont have any phobias about homosexuality or people thinking they are lampshades !!

    Translation:

    - "I'm secretly gay and have no interest in my wife sexually"

    NVVESNw.png


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    #50
    Gynoid
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Meet me outside in 5. I'll teach you

    Ewwww. (I think!) I thought you were one of the good guys.


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    #51
    Gynoid
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    Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »
    Translation:

    - "I'm secretly gay and have no interest in my wife sexually"

    NVVESNw.png

    Man, that is a lame remark.


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    #52
    eviltwin
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    Ashton Echoing Saber wrote: »
    I don't consider it the states job to educate my kids on sex education.
    I don't want them being told homosexuality is either right or normal or that there are hundreds of genders. A stance that goes against my families religious beliefs...queue homophobe comments.

    I dont have any phobias about homosexuality or people thinking they are lampshades !!

    You're beliefs aside you need yo prepare your children for the world they live in. They will be meeting people who are not hetero and they need to be able to show respect. They also need to learn about how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy and disease - would you object to them learning about contraception?


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    #53
    BarryD2
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    Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »
    Minister for culture - yet touts ideas that belong in the 15th century.

    "It's not the job of educators to talk to children about sexual well being. This is the responsibility of parents".

    lolwut??

    Is this woman out of touch - or what!?

    I mean......... blah, blah, blah..

    You are perhaps familiar with our constitution, specifically Article 42?

    "1. The State acknowledges that the primary and natural educator of the child is the Family and guarantees to respect the inalienable right and duty of parents to provide, according to their means, for the religious and moral, intellectual, physical and social education of their children."

    You can't get clearer than that. The Family (parents) are the primary and natural educator of their children.

    Take some responsibility and stop spouting rubbish :)


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    #54
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »
    Translation:

    - "I'm secretly gay and have no interest in my wife sexually"

    NVVESNw.png

    Are you??


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    #55
    James Brown
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    Ummm. I have a few children, a long sexually active marriage and I dont know what feltching is. :(

    What's that got to do with telling teenagers that trans people exist?


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    #56
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    You're beliefs aside you need yo prepare your children for the world they live in. They will be meeting people who are not hetero and they need to be able to show respect. They also need to learn about how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy and disease - would you object to them learning about contraception?
    I object as stated above. Never said anything about not being respectful but I won't have the government lying to my kids.
    They also don't believe in Santa:)


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    #57
    ArnoldJRimmer
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    I can only comment on my own experience, an average Catholic family in Ireland back in the day. Absolutely zero education from my parents since my Dad was completely incapable of talking about it, and the internet barely existed at that time too

    Didn't receive any kind of formal education until Religion class when I was 15/16, which was clearly after I'd figured a few things out on my own. And even then, it was still stuff where sex before marriage was wrong.

    So I would say wholeheartedly that its vital that this is taught throughout school, this should not be a taboo subject any more, and it can be age appropriate. Parents are not going to necessarily talk to their kids about it, and may not be able to do so accurately. Teenagers are all over the place emotionally, and their hormones are in overdrive.

    Some people, including some on this thread, are going to completely over react and think that teachers will be showing photos of Caitlyn Jenner to their eight year olds, so could be a good compromise to allow parents to opt out (just like the Protestant in my class used to get off for lunch early when religion was being taught, I was always jealous), but this should absolutely be part of the school cirriculum


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    #58
    eviltwin
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    Ashton Echoing Saber wrote: »
    I object as stated above. Never said anything about not being respectful but I won't have the government lying to my kids.
    They also don't believe in Santa:)

    Your kids don't live in a vacuum. If you don't tell them about sex and it's not discussed in school they will turn to other sources. Whatever about your views on other people I think you are doing your kids a massive disservice not giving them information that may impact on their health. Their wellbeing should be your priority.


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    One eyed Jack
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    Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »
    Don't focus on the wrong part of the story.

    This thread wasn't posted with the idea to write an "after hours" determined syllabus for sex education.

    It was posted to highlight what sort of an incompetent holds the highest position for cultural implementation in Ireland currently.

    Josepha Madigan.

    That's who!


    This Josepha Madigan?


    Madigan is a qualified solicitor, who practised family law for 20 years, prior to her election to Dáil Éireann. She is also certified as a mediator by the Mediators’ Institute of Ireland and is a previous Council member of the MII. She is a former Specialist Liaison Officer for Family Mediation in the MII.


    She’s far from incompetent, and given her profession and her experience as a solicitor practicing family law, she has the experience and the knowledge to be able to state her opinion with an authority that to the best of my knowledge, you don’t have anything even close. Who’s the incompetent here exactly?

    She’s absolutely right btw, it’s not the job of educators to talk to children about sexual well being. It absolutely is the responsibility of parents. By your standards that might be a 15th century idea, but that’s just showing how even more incompetent you are to be able to provide anything of any value which anyone else should consider worth listening to.

    You’re the person talking nonsense, basically.


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    HorrorScope
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I'll give you benefit of the doubt and take it you mean because there aren't that many they shouldn't be covered?

    Acknowledging their existence, be you a rabid bigot or not, just makes logical sense. Knowing about gays never made anyone more or less gay but it might have helped a few people to know they weren't alone.

    I was quite clear in what I said wasn’t I? I think we should stop pandering to the 0.04% of the population who follow this bull**** gender nonsense.


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    #61
    James Brown
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    HorrorScope wrote: »
    I was quite clear in what I said wasn’t I? I think we should stop pandering to the 0.04% of the population who follow this bull**** gender nonsense.

    Telling people that those kind of people exist is pandering?
    Would you not what your kids warned either? ;)


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