Josepha Madigan wants parents to talk to children about sex education

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One eyed Jack wrote: »

The law is essentially irrelevant?

It’s our laws that determine who has ultimate authority and therefore ultimate responsibility over children’s sexual well being. I think you’ve taken Ms. Madigan up completely arseways on this one tbh and assailed her character according to your own ignorance.

I’ve heard she also does a good mass

Ref the "stoning" comment.

That's the point - her decisions, someone in her position - making such decisions - can and will have overarching impact on the ultimate course of action.

Thus, if it's the wrong one, well - that's no good now, is it?

Relative to what's right and what's wrong - her "parental education" re sex, is wrong.
If we were to explore the scientific rational (done concisely in OP), we'd understand why that's the case.

So - she's in position to bring into law something highly counter productive, based on an ill-informed opinion with no scientific backing or rational.

Based on this, yeah - I ridicule her and question her competency as an authoritative figure who can so negatively implicate the quality of life of so many.

Ees normaal.


Your contention is - "if it's law, it MUST be right" - which suggests to me that you're a limp noodle, incapable of inducing satisfaction in the bedroom - which would explain your clear dogmatic frustrations reflected in your incessant posting style.

Didn't you post some other thread complaining about lack of accessibility to affordable sex toys?

One eyed Jack

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

Ref the "stoning" comment.

That's the point - her decisions, someone in her position - making such decisions - can and will have overarching impact on the ultimate course of action.

Thus, if it's the wrong one, well - that's no good now, is it?

Relative to what's right and what's wrong - her "parental education" re sex, is wrong.
If we were to explore the scientific rational (done concisely in OP), we'd understand why that's the case.

So - she's in position to bring into law something highly counter productive, based on an ill-informed opinion with no scientific backing or rational.

Based on this, yeah - I ridicule her and question her competency as an authoritative figure who can so negatively implicate the quality of life of so many.

Ees normaal.

I’m struggling to interpret your posts tbh, but what Ms. Madigan is saying is that parents need to take responsibility for their children’s sexual well being. She was making the point that they aren’t currently doing so, and leaving that responsibility up to the schools.


Ms Madigan, who is a qualified solicitor, added: “As a government minister, but more importantly as a mother, I have very grave concerns about the effect that access to unlimited amounts hardcore pornography can have on young developing minds.”

“Parents will also have to face up to this and play their part. It may be embarrassing but talking to children about what they see online is hugely important.

“The national conversation has to start at home.


Culture Minister Josepha Madigan says parents must ‘play their part’ to tackle online pornography after Ana Kriegel case

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

Your contention is - "if it's law, it MUST be right" - which suggests to me that you're a limp noodle, incapable of inducing satisfaction in the bedroom - which would explain your clear dogmatic frustrations reflected in your incessant posting style.

Nope, my contention is that it is the law which determines who is ultimately responsible for their children’s sexual well being. Irish law recognises the Family as the fundamental educator of children, and places no obligation on parents to enrol their children in educational institutions which are inconsistent with their values.

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

Didn't you post some other thread complaining about lack of accessibility to affordable sex toys?

If you’re going to attempt to assassinate my character now, you’re only again displaying your own ignorance. I actually celebrated the availability of affordable sex toys, but I wouldn’t be buying them myself -


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I’m a quality over quantity kinda guy

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Assetbacked wrote: »

If parents can't talk to their children about sex then the parents have serious sexual hang ups themselves.

Many many many parents through the years never discussed sex with their children, and it was nothing to do with sexual hang ups....

Children and teens and young adults find out all about the birds and the bees without any need to have pointless and embarrassing sex talk with their parents...It's discussed in school, and amongst your peers.

I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. I never needed to sit down and ask the parents about sex, and if they had tried to sit me down explaining to me about willys' and fannies I'd have told to go and jump...

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One eyed Jack wrote: »

...but what Ms. Madigan is saying is that parents need to take responsibility for their children’s sexual well being. She was making the point that they aren’t currently doing so, and leaving that responsibility up to the schools.

What she was doing was saying, "education system isn't responsible for education, when it comes to the nasty", which is frankly irresponsible.

walshb

But I would sit down my children and advise and guide them on how encounters can lead to real problems......I would guide my daughters on how to keep as safe as possible, and how to act as responsible as possible when out and about.

I would advise my sons on how something so innocent and casual can turn nasty and seedy...that is, being accused of something that may well have been completely innocent and consensual....

One eyed Jack

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

What she was doing was saying, "education system isn't responsible for education, when it comes to the nasty", which is frankly irresponsible.

She wasn’t saying any such thing.

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One eyed Jack wrote: »

She wasn’t saying any such thing.

Well she didn't in that case, stress enough the importance of a revolutionized school based sex education curriculum - and as minister what she intends to do about it.

Focus was, "responsibility lies at home".

lol - she expects the "common man" to have the knowledge or wherewithal to actually suitably address this with their children?

Hell, a good percentage of parents would probably need to return to the school system for a few classes of sex-ed themselves.

One eyed Jack

Lila Tight Mathematician wrote: »

Well she didn't in that case, stress enough the importance of a revolutionized school based sex education curriculum - and as minister what she intends to do about it.

Focus was, "responsibility lies at home".

lol - she expects the "common man" to have the knowledge or wherewithal to actually suitably address this with their children?

Hell, a good percentage of parents would probably need to return to the school system for a few classes of sex-ed themselves.

Yes, she does, because she is of the belief that parents aren’t currently doing this already.

What parents actually aren’t doing, is imparting Ms. Madigans values in their children. It’s obvious the majority of parents do not share her values when it comes to how they choose to raise their own children. That’s what Ms. Madigan takes issue with and portrays it as parents being reluctant or embarrassed to impart her values on their children, in much the same way as you’ve attempted to portray anyone who doesn’t share your values as must be gay or lacking in the bedroom department in some way.

You speak of science and rational argument, yet you’re showing a complete disregard for anyone and anything which doesn’t fit with your preconceived ideas about other people. You’re perpetuating your own ignorance based upon nothing more than your own prejudices. There’s nothing either scientific or rational in anything you’ve posted.

Ms. Madigan is correct in acknowledging that the focus of children’s sexual well being starts at home, with children’s parents. There’s nothing new or revolutionary about that. It’s a relationship that’s recognised in both Constitutional and International Human Rights Law.

She is not correct in assuming that they are abdicating their responsibilities towards their children and making their children’s sexual well being the responsibility of teachers because the parents she is speaking of do not appear to share her values and beliefs regarding their children’s sexual well being.