The €3,000 per month luxury welfare apartments

Boggles

cruizer101 wrote: »

Not strictly true, while the impact of this individual case may not really have a direct effect on you the overall policy of paying large sums of money to house social tenants when it could be done cheaper does have an effect it, is your tax money being used to pay for it when it could be used for other public services.

How Dublin Council allocate their budget will not make one jot of difference to my privately held mortgage.

facehugger99

I can imagine the kids of the parents that move in there.

"Mammy, I want an apartment like this when I grow up"

"Well Destiny, you'll have to study really hard in school go to college and get a degree in business or law, then work your arse off for about 20 years, marry another high earner and then borrow a massive amount of money from a bank and pay it back over the next 30 years. Alternatively you can pop out a couple of kids when you're sixteen and head down the social"

ThunbergsAreGo

BarryD2 wrote: »

Absolutely, they should be reserved for working people below a certain threshold. Lose your job, get a substantial payrise - out. And give it someone else who fits the criteria.

Apart from that, just the craziest thing I've read in a while. How far out of touch can a government get with ordinary citizens who are trying to pay their way and keep the state afloat??

Isn't this the council?

cruizer101

Boggles wrote: »

How Dublin Council allocate their budget will not make one jot of difference to my privately held mortgage.

I never said anything about mortgage, you said
wrong morally or not it won't make one bit of difference to my life.

My point is overspending in one area leads to cutbacks in others be that healthcare, public transport, infrastructure or sports, area that effect everyone.

Idbatterim

This rip off deal is depriving others actually worthy for housing. Parasites we elect , looking after parasites. What a surprise!

X111111111111

lawred2 wrote: »

Peppercorn rent. Far below market rate. It's a morally bankrupt and fiscally reckless approach to solving social housing.

So like i stated not free then.

Idbatterim

X111111111111 wrote: »

So like i stated not free then.

In mine and others minds it free. Paid for with free money. But you think the rent should be zero do you ?

X111111111111

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Most claimants get €200 per week.

They pay around €20. As good as free. What percentage of income are most paying for the roof over their heads?

Let's inject some realism here.

Most social housing tenants work, i know i do as do most of my neighbours and i pay a percentage of my wages towards rent. Is there always going to be the chancers who couldnt be arsed, sure there is but most are normal working people just trying there best to live their lives. Would i paint everyone who works in let's say a bank morally corrupt because of the actions of a few of course i wouldn't.

X111111111111

Idbatterim wrote: »

In mine and others minds it free. Paid for with free money. But you think the rent should be zero do you ?

No. If like me and most i know you work how is it free? If you know of a way i can get it free im all ears though

X111111111111

Idbatterim wrote: »

This rip off deal is depriving others actually worthy for housing. Parasites we elect , looking after parasites. What a surprise!

So im a parasite now

Idbatterim

X111111111111 wrote: »

So im a parasite now

You’re getting rent for well below what other people on your income are paying. If you’re working you’re not a parasite. But this country is full of them ! I wish a uk current affairs programmer would run this farce. Or gets the crowd who do welfare Britain over here , they won’t believe this kip !

Idbatterim

just emailed channel 5, the producers of "benefits britain, life on the dole" now I highly recommend watching it, if you havent already seen it. The other extreme to here. Now given that NOBODY in the media will touch this with a barge poll, our closest non bailed out neighbour, may be interested in the investigating the worlds most obscene welfare state...

Sent them some information and links to this scandal with the german pension fund and the council, literally giving "nama" or our assets away for nothing a few years back etc. I hope the european powers that be watch this jawdropper, before they decide to throw us tens of billions to waste on wasters again, come the next recession. Do us a favour, keep the money!!!!

lawred2

X111111111111 wrote: »

So like i stated not free then.

not sure what the smiley is for really

shesty

Leasing high-end properties, using taxpayers money, and renting them (or giving, it doesn't matter) to people who will pay back a fraction of the cost of the property, compared to those in the surrounding area, is just so wrong. Why do we stand for this.

marieholmfan

Idbatterim wrote: »

In mine and others minds it free. Paid for with free money. But you think the rent should be zero do you ?

Reals beats feels snowflake.


That's the problem with right wingers - not realistic.

Sweet.Science

marieholmfan wrote: »

Reals beats feels snowflake.


That's the problem with right wingers - not realistic.

The problem with socialism is that soon you run out of other peoples money

lawred2

marieholmfan wrote: »

Reals beats feels snowflake.


That's the problem with right wingers - not realistic.

are you a random word generator?

marieholmfan

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The problem with socialism is that soon you run out of other peoples money

So Fine Gael are socialists now? Do you actually believe that?

Keep the headguard on though I fear it's too late for you.

marieholmfan

lawred2 wrote: »

are you a random word generator?

Are you a random word generator?

Idbatterim

that block will look like a ****hole in less than a year! I wonder what excuses will be trotted out then, when its in an affluent area and its not "high rise" i.e. the high rise turns these model citizens into people that wreck their environment :rolleyes::mad:

fun fact! did you know that when the ballymum towers were taken down, that all bad social issues issues in ballymun ceased?

victor8600

shesty wrote: »

Leasing high-end properties, using taxpayers money, and renting them (or giving, it doesn't matter) to people who will pay back a fraction of the cost of the property, compared to those in the surrounding area, is just so wrong. Why do we stand for this.

We need an AMA with a Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown Councillor to explain the logic.

Probably this is due to the need to meet some internal bureaucratic targets. Imaging that as a councillor you are given a task to "supply" 87 2/3-bed apartments. No matter the cost. You do that and chalk yourself a win. If you start looking for a cost-effective solution, you lose time and get demoted. Just a theory!

PeasantHater

marieholmfan wrote: »

Reals beats feels snowflake.


That's the problem with right wingers - not realistic.

LOL

If you think that these opinions are exclusive to right wingers then you must be very lost in the depths of the left.

Can you not see what a blatant waste of public money this is? Sean Quinn probably made wiser investments than this shower of sh1t.

I might condering looking for an exit from my 600k purchase contract near this development for the sake of my future kids, I'd rather their local peers toss them a rugby ball down the local park rather than a bag of Colombian marching powder.

Idbatterim

PeasantHater wrote: »

LOL

If you think that these opinions are exclusive to right wingers then you must be very lost in the depths of the left.

Can you not see what a blatant waste of public money this is? Sean Quinn probably made wiser investments than this shower of sh1t.

I might condering looking for an exit from my 600k purchase contract near this development for the sake of my future kids, I'd rather their local peers toss them a rugby ball down the local park rather than a bag of Colombian marching powder.

youll be sending your kids to what you thought was a normal middle class school, and theyll come out with those "salt of de earth" dublin accents, its an assault on the ears. Consider sending them to a private school, although it wont be long until Chardonnay, Brittanay and Sauvignon Blanc are sent there too, courtesy of the taxpayer!

James Brown

This is correct but the wrong vent or this to take IMO,

Isabelle Bald Dog wrote: »

Meanwhile, working people are commuting from Wexford.

Sloppy_Joe wrote: »

The workers of this country are getting it up the arse dry.

The likes of maggie cash getting free houses.

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As someone pointed out, I doubt Fine Gael are expecting the tenants to be hardcore blueshirts.
This isn't about providing homes, this is about the LA's and Fine Gael feeding the private housing market.
Going after anyone lucky enough to get one is just a waste of time and do you really think anything any of those families do will change policy?
We can give out about Margret Cash and spongers like the La's and FG want or look at the real reason why we are in crisis:

A Dublin council has signed an unprecedented 25-year lease on a €55m luxury apartment block for social housing now owned by a cuckoo fund.

Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council is expected to pay €2,000 to €3,000 a month to lease each of the 87 new apartments at Herbert Hill, Dundrum, from German property fund Real IS.

The builder Glenveagh confirmed the sale last night of Herbert Hill for a total price exceeding €632,000 per unit.

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We are giving away public land so private companies can lease private builds back to us so we can rent them out to working tax payers who can't afford market rents because private companies are buying up everything to rent back to us. It's a classic ponzi scheme. IMO FG and whoever in the LA's are either dumb or making as much hay as they can before the FF clouds take away their sunshine.
Now go on, back to talking about single mothers and 'for eva' homes there like good boys and girls.

marieholmfan

PeasantHater wrote: »

LOL

If you think that these opinions are exclusive to right wingers then you must be very lost in the depths of the left.

Can you not see what a blatant waste of public money this is? Sean Quinn probably made wiser investments than this shower of sh1t.

I might condering looking for an exit from my 600k purchase contract near this development for the sake of my future kids, I'd rather their local peers toss them a rugby ball down the local park rather than a bag of Colombian marching powder.

I think the state should own land and build houses/ flats. This plan is absurd.



What the 'in my mind it's free' brigade are angry about is not this absurd PFI type deal but the idea of council housing.

Idbatterim

just got a near instantaneous reply from the local councillor, to my email. I emailed one, that I have met before and came across well, unlike most of the morons!


"Dear Taxpayer

There is no council vote on this unfortunately, it is an executive function so they negotiate and close the deal - and only then inform the Councillors.

I agree that it is a hugely expensive way to do business, it would be much more efficient to build housing ourselves, and we now do, the problem is that this takes a long time and we currently have 4.5k housing list applications. The lease of these apartments is to facilitate the delivery of much needed social housing in the short term. The long term solution is clearly for the council/state to build housing, as has been successfully done in the past.

There are 4,000 children without homes tonight. It may be unpalatable to have to fork out excess money to address that, but needs must. We should have been building houses for the last 6/7 years, but we didn't and now we have to pay full market rate to get them.

Front of my mind are the homeless people, not the cuckoo funds.

Kind regards"

Das Reich

PeasantHater wrote: »

This is completely unacceptable, I'm trying to buy a property about 1km from this development, which, after the life of the mortgage is going to work out at over 800k.

How is it right that the majority of untermensch that will be housed here can bang out a load of kids and have 3k a month rent essentially for free????

My wife and I would love to have kids but due to the housing situation we currently can't afford to do so, might have to wait a few years until we save up enough.

I can't stand this swamp of a country that allows pond life to live off the hard workers.

I would not wait, the fertility of the women reduces with age but the proportion of risky pregnancies increases. You have the rest of life to save money, but a short time of life to make children.

marieholmfan

PeasantHater wrote: »

My wife and I would love to have kids but due to the housing situation we currently can't afford to do so, might have to wait a few years until we save up enough.

Have kids. The clock is running.

James Brown

Idbatterim wrote: »

just got a near instantaneous reply from the local councillor, to my email. I emailed one, that I have met before and came across well, unlike most of the morons!


"Dear Taxpayer

There is no council vote on this unfortunately, it is an executive function so they negotiate and close the deal - and only then inform the Councillors.

I agree that it is a hugely expensive way to do business, it would be much more efficient to build housing ourselves, and we now do, the problem is that this takes a long time and we currently have 4.5k housing list applications. The lease of these apartments is to facilitate the delivery of much needed social housing in the short term. The long term solution is clearly for the council/state to build housing, as has been successfully done in the past.

There are 4,000 children without homes tonight. It may be unpalatable to have to fork out excess money to address that, but needs must. We should have been building houses for the last 6/7 years, but we didn't and now we have to pay full market rate to get them.

Front of my mind are the homeless people, not the cuckoo funds.

Kind regards"

Complete bull****. Been hearing that one for a decade. It takes a long time when you don't really start.

Idbatterim

Das Reich wrote: »

I would not wait, the fertility of the women reduces with age but the proportion of risky pregnancies increases. You have the rest of life to save money, but a short time of life to make children.

yeah but can you blame him? the wasters dont need child care etc or two high incomes to get a mortgage in somewhere that isnt a kip!

Expect prices to fall in the immediate area, when they are hanging washing out from the tenth floor window. Driving scramblers inside dundrum town centre!