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The €3,000 per month luxury welfare apartments

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    #752
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    I've avoided this thread but it played on my mind.
    Welfare recipients are not wholly composed of people who choose not to work.
    Some live with debilitating conditions and would love to participate fully in society. People through no fault of their own should not be forced to live destitute lives.

    People with disabilities should be prioritised for housing and have a higher level of supports than currently.

    I doubt anyone is even arguing with that, you know dang well what people are annoyed over and that's those getting a free ride at the end of the day.


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    #753
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I doubt anyone is even arguing with that, you know dang well what people are annoyed over and that's those getting a free ride at the end of the day.

    Who is getting a free ride? There are people who meet the criteria getting their due as legislated. Sure there are likely a minute number of fraudsters but hopefully they are caught.

    FYI: if you've issues with state policy and welfare eligibility criteria, Margret Cash is unlikely to sign off and get a job because she's a good egg.


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    #754
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    I've avoided this thread but it played on my mind.
    Welfare recipients are not wholly composed of people who choose not to work.
    Some live with debilitating conditions and would love to participate fully in society. People through no fault of their own should not be forced to live destitute lives.

    People with disabilities should be prioritised for housing and have a higher level of supports than currently.

    Doing so is illegal.


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    #755
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You were calling me FF last week :)

    No money for wasting maybe. No money for printers, quangos, our own, pretending to go to work in the Dail, claims?

    You should be looked after mortgage free, if you are eligible. I'm all for that.

    So do you agree with a right to a home in the constitution?


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    #756
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So do you agree with a right to a home in the constitution?

    Housing as a social tenant if you meet the criteria, 100%. Every citizen should have a roof over their head, except people capable of working who choose not to, IMO.
    I'm 100% against free houses.


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    #757
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Housing as a social tenant if you meet the criteria, 100%. Every citizen should have a roof over their head, except people capable of working who choose not to, IMO.
    I'm 100% against free houses.

    So you don’t agree with Sinn Feins housing policies.

    Interesting.


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    #758
    ELM327
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So do you agree with a right to a home in the constitution?
    This would be catastrophic and as such will never be implemented


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    #759
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This would be catastrophic and as such will never be implemented

    Sinn Féin advocate for it.


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    #760
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I doubt anyone is even arguing with that, you know dang well what people are annoyed over and that's those getting a free ride at the end of the day.

    Sadly people have said on this very board people with disabilities who don't work shouldn't be housed in Dublin City Centre.

    And I'd also add that some of the people that posters get very annoyed at might have no education, might have undiagnosed conditions, may be illiterate.

    What I do know for certain is that when the 'scroungers debate' happens people whom I know with disabilities feel included.


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    #761
    riemann
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    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    Sadly people have said on this very board people with disabilities who don't work shouldn't be housed in Dublin City Centre.

    And I'd also add that some of the people that posters get very annoyed at might have no education, might have undiagnosed conditions, may be illiterate.

    What I do know for certain is that when the 'scroungers debate' happens people whom I know with disabilities feel included.

    Bad troll is bad.


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    #762
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So you don’t agree with Sinn Feins housing policies.

    Interesting.

    I'm not too up on them past more social builds TBH.
    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    Sadly people have said on this very board people with disabilities who don't work shouldn't be housed in Dublin City Centre.

    And I'd also add that some of the people that posters get very annoyed at might have no education, might have undiagnosed conditions, may be illiterate.

    What I do know for certain is that when the 'scroungers debate' happens people whom I know with disabilities feel included.

    They've also discussed how disabled, in that some on disability should be made to do some kind of work. This is the nasty nature of looking at those worse off because of failed policy.


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    #763
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    Sadly people have said on this very board people with disabilities who don't work shouldn't be housed in Dublin City Centre.

    And I'd also add that some of the people that posters get very annoyed at might have no education, might have undiagnosed conditions, may be illiterate.

    What I do know for certain is that when the 'scroungers debate' happens people whom I know with disabilities feel included.

    Well I would never even dream of putting them in such a category, people are allowed to be outraged as the way things are it's a joke of a system.

    I'm all for helping those that really need it.

    I have to deal with them daily in work and I get frustrated when there is nothing I can do to help them as having to leave them at the bus stop because the other one on board won't fold their buggy and yes I fully understand there are circumstances where a baby may have medical issues for example and it's not possible....


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    #764
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Sinn Féin advocate for it.

    I'll make a point on giving them a nod. Thanks.


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    #765
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Sinn Féin advocate for it.
    Exactly, another reason why a) it is nonsense and b) will never be implemented


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    #766
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Well I would never even dream of putting them in such a category, people are allowed to be outraged as the way things are it's a joke of a system.

    I'm all for helping those that really need it.

    I have to deal with them daily in work and I get frustrated when there is nothing I can do to help them as having to leave them at the bus stop because the other one on board won't fold their buggy and yes I fully understand there are circumstances where a baby may have medical issues for example and it's not possible....

    I respect you for not putting them in the same category but it does happen sadly. I'd probably be ostracised for saying mobility aids should prioritised over buggies?

    I also think for the situation you present if we could have a card here, there's one in NI/UK, that people can present in situations where they need a bit more time because of a medical condition. Or perhaps the travel pass could have a letter to indicate medical condition. I know people get riled up about privacy but travelling with an invisible disability can be challenging.


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    #767
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    I respect you for not putting them in the same category but it does happen sadly. I'd probably be ostracised for saying mobility aids should prioritised over buggies?

    I also think for the situation you present if we could have a card here, there's one in NI/UK, that people can present in situations where they need a bit more time because of a medical condition. Or perhaps the travel pass could have a letter to indicate medical condition. I know people get riled up about privacy but travelling with an invisible disability can be challenging.

    That card is available here now.

    Seen it on advert inside a bus I was driving the other day.

    Can't recall name.

    It's to be shown as you said if that person needs that extra time to say ask a question or sit down but I'll be honest we can see that anyway so I find it a bit strange to be honest.


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    #768
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    That card is available here now.

    Seen it on advert inside a bus I was driving the other day.

    Can't recall name.

    It's to be shown as you said if that person needs that extra time to say ask a question or sit down but I'll be honest we can see that anyway so I find it a bit strange to be honest.

    Oh that's great, didn't know that.
    We have a couple of conditions in the family that aren't immediately visible so for us we thought it might be useful.


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    #769
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    Oh that's great, didn't know that.
    We have a couple of conditions in the family that aren't immediately visible so for us we thought it might be useful.

    Honestly can't think of the name and it's something not even a big name, I looked at it was like oh that's a new one to me...


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    #770
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Honestly can't think of the name and it's something not even a big name, I looked at it was like oh that's a new one to me...

    There's this one

    https://jamcard.org


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    #771
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Freya Miniature Prodigy wrote: »
    There's this one

    https://jamcard.org

    Yeah that's the one ...


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