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The €3,000 per month luxury welfare apartments

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    #122
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,482 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Workers aren't the only ones with reason to be angry, other people in social housing should be angry at the massive variation in what people get.


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    #123
    boring accountant
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    Shane Lazy Shooter wrote: »
    And the workers never do a nixer they don't pay tax on. ? Or have the wife working in a cash in hand job?


    As long as they're not taking state benefits I actually don't care. Costs me nothing.


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    #124
    boring accountant
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    Muir wrote: »
    One of the biggest problems we have (and it's the same problem around the world) is that people are often inclined to think that everyone else is getting a better deal than they are. So, you never get everyone working together against this sort of bull**** because everyone is too busy fighting over crumbs.

    Many times on here I've explained that many people in social housing do work and do pay rent. However, I am still as disgusted by this as anyone else on here. Sometimes I think if people from all walks of life, and all political viewpoints, could actually sit down and have a rational conversation without resorting to name-calling and arguing, they'd find a lot more common ground than you might think.

    Too many of our policy makers benefit from high rents. And councils renting properties like this instead of the government working on ensuring there is adequate supply to meet the demand just worsens the problem. As rents continue to rise, a bigger proportion of the working class end up facing homelessness.

    There are loads of empty properties all over the country, it would be much cheaper to identify the reasons so many are empty, tackle whatever those issues are to make more of those properties available for rent, and then the increase in supply to meet the demand will cause rents to fall.

    We have full employment. Of course there will be a small minority that take the piss, there always are. Most people want to be able to rent, and in Ireland often to be able to buy their homes. The very small minority who wont work and have a sense of entitlement might be really frustrating, but they aren't the real problem. It's not council tenants or the homeless or the unemployed who decided that a property like this should be leased for 25 years at near market rates. I think almost everyone would agree that this is madness, and the money could be put to better use.


    There's no common ground to be found between thief and victim.


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    #125
    boring accountant
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    kowloon wrote: »
    Workers aren't the only ones with reason to be angry, other people in social housing should be angry at the massive variation in what people get.


    Ever hear the saying don't look a gift horse in the mouth?


    It's those of us with no gift horses that have a bone to pick.


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    #126
    Muir
    Registered Users Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Muir


    boring accountant wrote: »
    There's no common ground to be found between thief and victim.

    Pity people are so misguided on who the thieves are in that analogy.


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    #127
    boring accountant
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    Muir wrote: »
    Pity people are so misguided on who the thieves are in that analogy.


    I don't think anyone is ignorant of the fact that the vulture funds benefit the most of the thievery, but they wouldn't be able to if there wasn't a whole class of people on the take who would get up in arms if anyone tried to stop it.


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    #128
    80j2lc5y7u6qs9
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    randomspud wrote: »
    Why can't this be applied to the people getting the cut price gaff from the council?


    If they can't afford to live in a €3000 a month place then they should just upskill and get a better/any job and not rely on the state to pay their rent for them.


    You expect the people on 50 hours a week, paying their own way, to just "do better" but the people on welfare are exempt from this for some reason.
    they welfare ones are not the one complaining
    you expect the people on 50 hours a week, paying their own way, to just "do better"
    i do if they want better lives and do not want to be on welfare. better jobs would mean more money less hours


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    #129
    Muir
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    boring accountant wrote: »
    I don't think anyone is ignorant of the fact that the vulture funds benefit the most of the thievery, but they wouldn't be able to if there wasn't a whole class of people on the take who would get up in arms if anyone tried to stop it.

    That isn't the reality though. It's the lower paid working class who are being pushed out of the rental market right now. We have plenty of policy makers profiting on the increasing rents. If more housing was made available to rent, the rents would fall and people could afford them. But then those in power who are on the take would be losing out. The 'class' of people you're referring to really isn't as big as you'd be led to believe - or much of a factor in the actual problem.


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    #130
    80j2lc5y7u6qs9
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    boring accountant wrote: »
    As long as they're not taking state benefits I actually don't care. Costs me nothing.
    oh its ok to steal so long as we dont steal from you?.So long as it cost you nothing. That is like welfare thinking. and people do nixers who do not declare are denying the state taxes. that is OK because they are working bums instead of welfare bums?


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    #131
    SEPT 23 1989
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    They can’t all be dumped in West Dublin


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    #132
    strandroad
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    kowloon wrote: »
    Workers aren't the only ones with reason to be angry, other people in social housing should be angry at the massive variation in what people get.

    DLR has the second highest rate of social housing refusals in the country it was said. It's likely to become higher now you know what you can get if you keep refusing.


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    #133
    stampydmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭stampydmonkey


    Haven't read back on everything...when's the protest?


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    #134
    hawkelady
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    Shane Lazy Shooter wrote: »
    oh its ok to steal so long as we dont steal from you?.So long as it cost you nothing. That is like welfare thinking. and people do nixers who do not declare are denying the state taxes. that is OK because they are working bums instead of welfare bums?

    No, the people who get up early every morning and do a job , pay taxes etc and do an odd nixer , whether that be plumbing or electrical are contributing a lot more to society than the welfare folk who have the hand out whilst strolling to the shops in their pjs absolutely contributing nothing to society ... that’s the difference


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    #135
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,482 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    boring accountant wrote: »
    Ever hear the saying don't look a gift horse in the mouth?


    It's those of us with no gift horses that have a bone to pick.

    It's still going to be an issue for people with poor condition social housing seeing others getting expensively finished places in high rent areas. The system needs to be as fair as they can make it.


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    #136
    osarusan
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    kowloon wrote: »
    It's still going to be an issue for people with poor condition social housing seeing others getting expensively finished places in high rent areas. The system needs to be as fair as they can make it.
    Yeah, a precedent has been set in terms of what is willing to be spent on housing welfare.

    EDIT: I hope it's a precedent anyway.


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    #137
    dodzy
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    Looking at the post content and the. amount of thanks earlier posts in this thread are receiving, it’s heartening to see that working people are becoming more vocal in their contempt for the farce that social housing has become and the gob****es that are overseeing this fiasco. Free houses & free money for people that have in many cases never worked a poxy day or paid a penny tax in their lives. It’s f**king sickening and should never have been allowed to get to such a state. And that’s without the stupidly high unmanaged influx of zero-value adders which have and continue to land here. I’d say it’s a joke, but that’s playing down a problem that I fear has become far too big to fix. Shambolic.


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    #138
    oceanman
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    touts wrote: »
    What the **** am I doing working for a living. I work 50+ hours a week. My wife works the same. We could never afford €3000 a month in rent or mortgage. We struggle to get half that in monthly payments. We fear the prospect that the Germans will get their way (which they usually do) and interest rates will rise. If that happens I know we will be idiots and cut back on the few luxuries we have to keep up the mortgage payments. Why? Because it is the right thing to do.

    And yet now some lazy little waster is going to be handed one of these luxury apartments simply because they dropped out of school before the leaving cert, never worked a day in their lives but were lucky enough to have been born into the tax payer funded welfare class in the dundrum area.

    To hell with that. This has to change. Whichever political party promises to reward work and stop this abuse of hard working taxpayers gets my vote. If none of them do then I predict within a decade there will be a revolution and not the sort of one Paul Murphy, Claire Daily and the rest of the socialist leadership are always talking about.
    give up working ...simple.


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    #139
    touts
    Registered Users Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭touts


    oceanman wrote: »
    give up working ...simple.

    Couldn't do it. The problem is my parents raised me to be a decent member of society.


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    #140
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭NSAman


    stampydmonkey wrote: »
    Haven't read back on everything...when's the protest?

    There won’t be, Irish people don’t do protesting, unless it’s an international cause or affects the old or vocal students.


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    #141
    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭skinny90


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    getting one of those apartments for 50 per week or whatever it is...the equivalent of winning the lotto

    Apart from it’s easier based on who you know


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    #142
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Don't want to ruin the crescendo of outrage, but most people in social housing work they just don't earn enough to buy a house.

    Where should working people on a low income who are in receipt of social housing be housed to keep everyone happy?


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    #143
    oceanman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭oceanman


    NSAman wrote: »
    There won’t be, Irish people don’t do protesting, unless it’s an international cause or affects the old or vocal students.
    or water charges...


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    #144
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Don't want to ruin the crescendo of outrage, but most people in social housing work they just don't earn enough to buy a house.

    Where should working people on a low income who are in receipt of social housing be housed to keep everyone happy?

    In plain but sturdy council housing stock that the council owns.


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    #145
    Roger Mellie Man on the Telly
    Registered Users Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Roger Mellie Man on the Telly


    It's expensive to build in Dublin. Even a 'basic' house is expensive to construct, especially with increased regulations, for example in regard to conservation of fuel and energy.

    This is nothing to be outraged by. The only 'solution' would be to solely buy or build social housing outside Dublin.


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    #146
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    NSAman wrote: »
    There won’t be, Irish people don’t do protesting, unless it’s an international cause or affects the old or vocal students.

    Or they're beef farmers.


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    #147
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    strandroad wrote: »
    In plain but sturdy council housing stock that the council owns.

    Where would they be located as they seem to outrage a lot of people? I do agree that the council should own the properties buy they could be maintained and run by some NGO. The standard should be the same as any standard 3 bed or apartment in the locality.


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    #148
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Don't want to ruin the crescendo of outrage, but most people in social housing work they just don't earn enough to buy a house.

    Where should working people on a low income who are in receipt of social housing be housed to keep everyone happy?

    Leitrim. Plenty of empty houses in Balinamore.


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    #149
    boring accountant
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    Muir wrote: »
    That isn't the reality though. It's the lower paid working class who are being pushed out of the rental market right now. We have plenty of policy makers profiting on the increasing rents. If more housing was made available to rent, the rents would fall and people could afford them. But then those in power who are on the take would be losing out. The 'class' of people you're referring to really isn't as big as you'd be led to believe - or much of a factor in the actual problem.


    Everyone with a job is being squeezed by the rental market. Most of all professionals who have to live near the city centre or else commute for an hour and a half every morning just to get to work.


    A 3 bed house in a Dublin suburb can't be got for less than 2k a month which essentially prices out any family with a household pre-tax income of less than 100k. That is if they want to have any spare change left over to actually enjoy life.


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    #150
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    171170 wrote: »
    Leitrim. Plenty of empty houses in Balinamore.

    Even if they work in Dublin?


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    #151
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Don't want to ruin the crescendo of outrage, but most people in social housing work they just don't earn enough to buy a house.

    Where should working people on a low income who are in receipt of social housing be housed to keep everyone happy?

    Not in luxury apartments in Dundrum anyway.


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