The €3,000 per month luxury welfare apartments

boring accountant

mariaalice wrote: »

Don't want to ruin the crescendo of outrage, but most people in social housing work they just don't earn enough to buy a house.

Where should working people on a low income who are in receipt of social housing be housed to keep everyone happy?

In the cheapest suitable accommodation available, which is basically what everyone else in the country does.

boring accountant

NSAman wrote: »

There won’t be, Irish people don’t do protesting, unless it’s an international cause or affects the old or vocal students.

In other words people with jobs don't protest.

hmmm

Just let me get the argument right in my head. It's completely fine for social housing recipients to be housed by the state in an area which the average worker couldn't afford to rent or buy? Is that what we're saying? Because I'm not sure why in that system anyone would bother getting a job and going to the stress of paying a mortgage etc?

And whatever about Leitrim, we should be running a combined housing list across the Dublin authorities and using where-ever is cheapest to build social housing. And tough if you have to spend an hour on a bus cross-town to go visit your parents, most workers don't get the luxury of picking and choosing where they live.

If you really want this social inclusion rigmarole, then build basic social housing apartment blocks cheaply fitted out with the basics. Not penthouse suites with "finely landscaped gardens" and "high specification interiors".

boring accountant

mariaalice wrote: »

Even if they work in Dublin?

It should be a prerequisite to have a job in order to get a council house in Dublin.

The only way to fairly ration a short supply is to decide based on merit.

Muir

boring accountant wrote: »

Everyone with a job is being squeezed by the rental market. Most of all professionals who have to live near the city centre or else commute for an hour and a half every morning just to get to work.


A 3 bed house in a Dublin suburb can't be got for less than 2k a month which essentially prices out any family with a household pre-tax income of less than 100k. That is if they want to have any spare change left over to actually enjoy life.

I know they are, that's exactly my point. So the lower working class earners are being priced out altogether, and if things continue like they are, that will expand up to the next tier of earners etc. I'm saying that the reason for it isn't the reason you think.

There have always, and will always be the few who wont work. Since we have full employment, they make up roughly the same percentage of the population that they always have. Yet, we have more and more people struggling to afford to live. The reason for that isn't those who wont work. I'm not saying that I agree with people doing that or that it isn't an issue - but it is a distraction from the actual cause of the problem. All the anger gets directed at that group, and while they might deserve some of the anger - most of it should be directed at those making policies and profiting from the current rental situation. That's something the vast majority should be able to find common ground on.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

It's expensive to build in Dublin. Even a 'basic' house is expensive to construct, especially with increased regulations, for example in regard to conservation of fuel and energy.

This is nothing to be outraged by. The only 'solution' would be to solely buy or build social housing outside Dublin.

It might be expensive to build but building is a better solution than renting off a fund for 25 years, which will cost more than it would cost to buy the property. There are definitely more affordable and sensible options than what they're doing. Better again would be to encourage the currently vacant properties to be let out for rent.

NovemberWren

Auguste Comte wrote: »

That's the Fine Gael way. Give public money to private entities and own nothing instead of investing the money and acquiring assets for public ownership.

Far too many landlords in Leinster Housu influencing public policy for their own benefit.

that sounds correct to me. the odd and good thing about this is, that it blatantly illustrates to the public, how it is na'rer a bother to the Council/s to consider Leases, and 25 yrs. Leases.
In Council housing, are there Leases? or is it week by week tenancies? i.e. kept psychologically insecure. - (yep, I bet some will say now, how mortgages are insecure...., but they are investments).
Would hazard a bet that very many of the present day investors (and in Glenbeigh?) were (or their forebears were) the recipients of 70 years? Leases? in Council housing? i.e. security.
Don't envy those people who They use now as collateral for (state-made) investors.

randomspud

mariaalice wrote: »

most people in social housing work they just don't earn enough to buy a house.

Have you got any stats to back that up?

MeMen2_MoRi_

BDI wrote: »

I’m starting to think why don’t I just stop paying tax and go it alone. Start my own government and write my own proclamation.

They are taking the absolute pizza these days. Surely they should spend 800 000 on a guilotine.

Buy a piece of land and declare independence!

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dodzy wrote: »

Looking at the post content and the. amount of thanks earlier posts in this thread are receiving, it’s heartening to see that working people are becoming more vocal in their contempt for the farce that social housing has become and the

it is only a small percentage of the public read this and even smaller have the hatred towards welfare recipients

ArchXStanton

I am so tired of this s**t

Kermit.de.frog

ha, haha!

https://twitter.com/Falcaos_Knee/status/1200693001930072065

Just keep paying your taxes everyone. Jacinta will be well set with her brood.

katiek102010

I can't believe some of the vile hatred on this thread.

God help any of ye if ye ever find yourselves in a position where ye need social housing.

Did you know that if you happen to have a normal paying job and happen to have a disabled child the banks won't give a mortgage if one parent has to become a carer.

What about if your spouse takes off with someone else and you have to pay the mortgage on the family home till the kids turn 18 do ye have enough to pay mortgages on 2 houses.

If the economy crashes again after Brexit, as some Thí k it might, do you have enough cash saved to pay your mortgage off if your jobs are not that secure.

What if one of you gets a potentially terminal illness and your oh has to give up work to care for you. Can you pay off your mortgage.

Not everyone in Reciept of welfare payments are scumbags.

Not everyone in social housing is a scumbag.

I k ow nurses and teachers in social housing. The wages are not that brilliant and there are no properties to rent.

Get off your high horses, blame the government and scum out to make a quick buck.

And who I. Their right mind thinks its OK to charge 3k pm for a bloody flat

purifol0

katiek102010 wrote: »

I k ow nurses and teachers in social housing. The wages are not that brilliant and there are no properties to rent.

Are you f*cking kidding me


Two public sector jobs for life professions with massive unions, defined benefit pensions, salary scales which only go up...AND THEY GET SOCIAL HOUSING???

NSAman

katiek102010 wrote: »

And who I. Their right mind thinks its OK to charge 3k pm for a bloody flat

So you wouldn’t pay it because you think it is an outrageous price.

But yet you want the county council to pay that to house people and then claim that others are vile for complaining about the price?

You couldn’t make this up!!!!

bunderoon

You are missing the point - The 'gubberment' is using the people on welfare to make a quick buck. But two wrongs dont make a right and two things can be valid/correct at the same time.

We have a certain class of people who refuse to work and exist in the welfare bubble, as that is where they grew up within and will stay there for the rest of their lives. They have no intention of bettering themselves.
HARDLY ANYONE HERE talks about the lower income working class that gets a handup. Which is the bulk of your post.
Ireland is a sinking ship with money being robbed / wasted at the top and the bottom. Just because it happens at the top doesn't mean that we ignore the bottom - or vice versa.

We are going to be rightly f**ked in the next couple of years and this ****e from the council is a perfect example of what is going to sink us. I dont want to be calling my kids in Australia. Do you?

katiek102010 wrote: »

I can't believe some of the vile hatred on this thread.

God help any of ye if ye ever find yourselves in a position where ye need social housing.

Did you know that if you happen to have a normal paying job and happen to have a disabled child the banks won't give a mortgage if one parent has to become a carer.

What about if your spouse takes off with someone else and you have to pay the mortgage on the family home till the kids turn 18 do ye have enough to pay mortgages on 2 houses.

If the economy crashes again after Brexit, as some Thí k it might, do you have enough cash saved to pay your mortgage off if your jobs are not that secure.

What if one of you gets a potentially terminal illness and your oh has to give up work to care for you. Can you pay off your mortgage.

Not everyone in Reciept of welfare payments are scumbags.

Not everyone in social housing is a scumbag.

I k ow nurses and teachers in social housing. The wages are not that brilliant and there are no properties to rent.

Get off your high horses, blame the government and scum out to make a quick buck.

And who I. Their right mind thinks its OK to charge 3k pm for a bloody flat

katiek102010

purifol0 wrote: »

Are you f*cking kidding me


Two public sector jobs for life professions with massive unions, defined benefit pensions, salary scales which only go up...AND THEY GET SOCIAL HOUSING???

And how much do you realistically think they get paid. Have you actually taken a look at the salary scales for a Co in the Civil service.

Look it up a see what a Co earns say 10 years in employment. Now imagine that co is married say to another co. Has a child who is disabled so 1 has to give up work. Go to anyone of the banks and see what a mortgage calculator gives them. Even with a 50k deposit

katiek102010

NSAman wrote: »

So you wouldn’t pay it because you think it is an outrageous price.

But yet you want the county council to pay that to house people and then claim that others are vile for complaining about the price?

You couldn’t make this up!!!!

Thats why I said blame the government, the banks and the landlords who think it's OK

BDI

katiek102010 wrote: »

I can't believe some of the vile hatred on this thread.

God help any of ye if ye ever find yourselves in a position where ye need social housing.

Did you know that if you happen to have a normal paying job and happen to have a disabled child the banks won't give a mortgage if one parent has to become a carer.

What about if your spouse takes off with someone else and you have to pay the mortgage on the family home till the kids turn 18 do ye have enough to pay mortgages on 2 houses.

If the economy crashes again after Brexit, as some Thí k it might, do you have enough cash saved to pay your mortgage off if your jobs are not that secure.

What if one of you gets a potentially terminal illness and your oh has to give up work to care for you. Can you pay off your mortgage.

Not everyone in Reciept of welfare payments are scumbags.

Not everyone in social housing is a scumbag.

I k ow nurses and teachers in social housing. The wages are not that brilliant and there are no properties to rent.

Get off your high horses, blame the government and scum out to make a quick buck.

And who I. Their right mind thinks its OK to charge 3k pm for a bloody flat

You need to move further away from the city hub where all the jobs are if you don’t have one. You can afford to be a carer there.

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Wouldn't want to live nearby there now.

bfa1509

I'd be interested to see how many of these "social houses" appear on airbnb. Just think of the nice little bonus they could make themselves while they're recouping in Lanzarote.

katiek102010

BDI wrote: »

You need to move further away from the city hub where all the jobs are if you don’t have one. You can afford to be a carer there.

Do you have any idea how redicilous that is. What if the spouse is working in the city, what if the cared for persons specialist medical appts etc are there. What if th they need external family supports are there. Should everyone with a disability be living in the country away from transport links that may be necessary to get them to medical appts etc.

BDI

katiek102010 wrote: »

Do you have any idea how redicilous that is. What if the spouse is working in the city, what if the cared for persons specialist medical appts etc are there. What if th they need external family supports are there. Should everyone with a disability be living in the country away from transport links that may be necessary to get them to medical appts etc.

Yes. Why do people who work have to commute every day and then a carer gets a free house beside the city centre because they have a hospital appointment four times a year. A heroin addict gets a free house beside the hospital because they have an appointment once a week while a worker commutes every day.
A never worked loser gets a house beside the hospital because they never worked and don’t have any hospital appointments but they need to be beside their loser parents but a worker has to commute from Wexford.

katiek102010

BDI wrote: »

Yes. Why do people who work have to commute every day and then a carer gets a free house beside the city centre because they have a hospital appointment four times a year. A heroin addict gets a free house beside the hospital because they have an appointment once a week while a worker commutes every day.
A never worked loser gets a house beside the hospital because they never worked and don’t have any hospital appointments but they need to be beside their loser parents but a worker has to commute from Wexford.

Have you ever cared for a disabled person 24hrs a day to get a poxy 200 quid a week of the government.
Do you have any idea how much that carer would rather do your precious job that you can switch off after 8 hours but they are doing a nurses job 24 hrs a day 7 days a week, lucky to get 2 hrs unbroken sleep a night.
Do you realise how difficult it is to lug the patient to appts that are 3 - 4 times a month or even more with all the special equipment on public transport because they can't afford to run a car on the money they get
Do you have any idea how valuable that night is that their mother or sister who lives nearby stays over so they can get a decent night's sleep

No you don't cause your so caught up in your own selfishness because you work and can't get a free house when the truth is they work a thousand times harder than you do and get **** for thanks except bitching calling them scroungers

Bigus

Isabelle Bald Dog wrote: »

For many working taxpayers in their 20s and 30s, buying a house, getting married, and having a family are a pipe dream. Their futures are being strangled by high taxes, high rents, and unaffordable home prices.

And yet state dependents can have as many children as they want and live in luxury €3,000/month apartments?

Someone who does not work or contribute should not have a higher standard of living than someone who does. That's a basic moral tenet that our government seems to have forgotten.

Seems the preaching about “moral hazard “ has gone out the window since the banking crisis and we all should pay all sums due.

T’would be no harm to bring back the troika to put manners an thems in charge again and cut them down to reality with a dose of cop the f¥ck on.

Geuze

katiek102010 wrote: »

I k ow nurses and teachers in social housing. The wages are not that brilliant and there are no properties to rent.

I find this very hard to believe.

Nurses, maybe, but I still doubt it.

Please give more details.

Geuze

katiek102010 wrote: »

Do you have any idea how redicilous that is. What if the spouse is working in the city, what if the cared for persons specialist medical appts etc are there. What if th they need external family supports are there. Should everyone with a disability be living in the country away from transport links that may be necessary to get them to medical appts etc.

No, but outside the canals, and maybe outside the M50.

Atlantic Dawn

An unproductive person shouldn't be housed in a productive area.

Idbatterim

The coward meeja wont touch it here. Christ any other country there’d be war over something like this !

They get their well earned welfare bonus next week. Costing the tax payer nearly three hundred million. Full weeks welfare.

How much extra do they get in the uk? Ten pounds ...

Pity we can’t vote Conservative party here and state me any brecit bull****. The state is in no way comparable to this banana republic. Free luxury accommodation for non workers. Third world infrastructure etc though... people on trolleys for days...

KyussB

A thread about one of the most blatant single-instance examples of government corruption in a long time - leasing an entire apartment complex for more money than it would cost to buy the thing outright, with no benefit to the country - and people have zero focus on the corruption, and 100% focus on the least well off in society, who haven't benefited from this in any way yet - and who wouldn't benefit from it at all, if people focused on the corruption and had this deal reversed - and the people involved criminally investigated for conflicts of interests and coruption.

People just walk straight into the Divide and Conquer narrative like fucking clueless idiots. To a suspicious extent, tbh...

Yurt2

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

An unproductive person shouldn't be housed in a productive area.

What boghole should we send you to so?