The €3,000 per month luxury welfare apartments

zeebre12

You'd have to laugh, you have the poor fkn eejit commuting from Wexford. No doubt Britney is waiting for her 'forever home' with her brood of 5 expecting another Beyoncé. Just wondering whats the social welfare system like in other developed countries in the world, say like Australia/New Zealand?

hawkelady

katiek102010 wrote: »

Do you have any idea how redicilous that is. What if the spouse is working in the city, what if the cared for persons specialist medical appts etc are there. What if th they need external family supports are there. Should everyone with a disability be living in the country away from transport links that may be necessary to get them to medical appts etc.

Sure with all the money you’re saving from having no rent / mortgage to pay , you could buy a nice car to allow you make your hospital appointments, no?
You have to start thinking like the folk who put a bit of hard graft into their lives , and btw, those people have disabled kids too but they just get on with it the best they can without resorting to seeking bloody handouts ....

BDI

katiek102010 wrote: »

Have you ever cared for a disabled person 24hrs a day to get a poxy 200 quid a week of the government.
Do you have any idea how much that carer would rather do your precious job that you can switch off after 8 hours but they are doing a nurses job 24 hrs a day 7 days a week, lucky to get 2 hrs unbroken sleep a night.
Do you realise how difficult it is to lug the patient to appts that are 3 - 4 times a month or even more with all the special equipment on public transport because they can't afford to run a car on the money they get
Do you have any idea how valuable that night is that their mother or sister who lives nearby stays over so they can get a decent night's sleep

No you don't cause your so caught up in your own selfishness because you work and can't get a free house when the truth is they work a thousand times harder than you do and get **** for thanks except bitching calling them scroungers

You don’t seem very greatful for the 200 euro a week, free healthcare and housing. But that’s ok. When you say it’s from the government that’s only kind of true. You see all the businesses and people who earn money pay taxes. Some of them leaving their families for every hour they are awake to go earn these taxes. Commuting from places like Cavan and Wexford. These taxes then go into a big pot to pay for hospitals, roads, community centres, road sweepers, schools.advertising healthy eating all that stuff. So somebody decides where this money goes. Somewhere in the decision making process they decided that people who don’t work need to live in the most expensive place in Ireland to live.

Couldn’t live ten minutes away in a cheaper area, no chance.

So now we have 30(?) people in houses costing what it would cost to house 60 people and no asset at the end of the mortgage time because we are only renting.

Now if it was up to me I’d make non workers live in hotels around the abandoned towns of Ireland. Men in one hotel and women and children in others. Buses would be laid on one a month for all hospital appointments and special cases would get a house closer to the hospital in places like darndale and cheap areas of tallaght.

I think the money saved could be used to provide better care for people. I’d also put a budget in to find a cure or even a test for things like anxiety and agoraphobia and depression and all these illnesses that you can’t really prove but every full time mad bastid seems to pick up once they hit working age.

touts

katiek102010 wrote: »

I can't believe some of the vile hatred on this thread.

God help any of ye if ye ever find yourselves in a position where ye need social housing.

Did you know that if you happen to have a normal paying job and happen to have a disabled child the banks won't give a mortgage if one parent has to become a carer.

What about if your spouse takes off with someone else and you have to pay the mortgage on the family home till the kids turn 18 do ye have enough to pay mortgages on 2 houses.

If the economy crashes again after Brexit, as some Thí k it might, do you have enough cash saved to pay your mortgage off if your jobs are not that secure.

What if one of you gets a potentially terminal illness and your oh has to give up work to care for you. Can you pay off your mortgage.

Not everyone in Reciept of welfare payments are scumbags.

Not everyone in social housing is a scumbag.

I k ow nurses and teachers in social housing. The wages are not that brilliant and there are no properties to rent.

Get off your high horses, blame the government and scum out to make a quick buck.

And who I. Their right mind thinks its OK to charge 3k pm for a bloody flat

I agree that the hard luck cases you cite of people with illness or people who work hard in low paying state jobs etc are the very people who should get help from the state. No one argues with that. However the concept you are peddling that these are the ones actually getting help from the state is, sadly, the standard fiction peddled by the welfare class to justify their actions. You can't cut welfare because in theory it should be helping all these people (only in theory of course, because in practice much of the budget is sucked up by the professional welfare class to the detriment of the very people that it should help and that they hide behind).

I am married to a teacher and I can tell you we get NOTHING from the state and we are entitled to NOTHING from the state. Just a week ago for example we went through the farce of applying for the National Child Care scheme and predictably were told we were entitled to a subsidy of €0.00 a year. We make ends meet by my wife doing grinds and correcting exams. Our salaries pay for the mortgage, childcare, food etc and the grinds, exams etc pay for our holiday and Christmas etc. Most teachers in her school are the same. Every one is paying rent or a mortgage. No I lie. A few of the younger ones live at home with their parents.

So tell me again how you know teachers who get social housing??

zeebre12

1.2 million people will get a Christmas bonus next week. I know some people like working carers deserve an extra payment but this is crazy. Great little country.

Kermit.de.frog

Crazy innit bruv?


Do they do this yearly "congratulations on another year not working" bonanza in the UK? Anyone know?

Cal4567

Reading through this thread it is a classic, everyone in the middle blaming those below them in the food chain, rather than those above.

Beyond all that I'd be asking myself why in 2010, the then government set up leasing deals for Approved Housing Bodies, and this one last year, do the same for Councils. Last year's deal was a better one for the land/property owner.

Any financial expert would tell you these deals are not in the long term anyway value for money, and the only real winner is the investor/freeholder.

Awwww please don’t look down on carers. I had to give up work and become one and it’s tough going.

The only ones who should be questioned here are the council. They really need to go back to school and learn basic maths. Luxury accommodation is for the well off which most of us aren’t. The majority of us own or rent nice accommodation which is absolutely fine. The council should be looking at nice, not luxury.

The maximum income level for a family of 4 (2 parents 2 children) to qualify for social housing is 38500 euro. On that level of income that family would pay 504.66 per month. But the council are paying the owners 3000 per month. That’s 2.5 grand more and it’s ****ing insane. And it’s only for 25 years? What happens then?

This is a complete waste of money and should be investigated.

gmufc19

Whoever sanctioned this deal needs their testicles kicked, good and hard.

Cal4567

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/south-dublin-council-targets-luxury-scheme-for-social-housing-1.3926235

Not sure if I can post this link. If not, maybe a mod can delete. It shows that the Council were talking to the developer 6 months ago. All they needed was an investing vehicle to come in and buy the properties and for them then to enter into a fixed term leasing deal.

News story came out late Friday. I'd be suspsicious of that plus all the attention now on the by elections, never mind Lisa Smith. Was a press release also issue by the Council after the London Bridge incident? Not sure. Apart from here, I don't see much comment in the general news media.

Danny2580

gmufc19 wrote: »

Whoever sanctioned this deal needs their testicles kicked, good and hard.

Somebody's pockets are being lined.

overkill602

gmufc19 wrote: »

Whoever sanctioned this deal needs their testicles kicked, good and hard.

He/She is a generously tax payer funded senior civil servant who enjoy perks and privileges Private sector can only dream of, no sanction for erroneous decision making.
Do we not already have the largest % of social housing for a large European city.

katiek102010

Geuze wrote: »

I find this very hard to believe.

Nurses, maybe, but I still doubt it.

Please give more details.

Maybe, just maybe you should look at the Co salary scales. You will get a shock

ChikiChiki

The great Irish sell off folks. We will look back some day on these times and feel like absolute idiots for not kicking Fine Gael out on its arse.

They deserve to be in the sewers with the rats. Everything is for sale. They have done nothing to put barriers in the way to help their own population.

Geuze

katiek102010 wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe you should look at the Co salary scales. You will get a shock

You referred to teachers, not CO clerical officers.

katiek102010

Cal4567 wrote: »

Reading through this thread it is a classic, everyone in the middle blaming those below them in the food chain, rather than those above.

Beyond all that I'd be asking myself why in 2010, the then government set up leasing deals for Approved Housing Bodies, and this one last year, do the same for Councils. Last year's deal was a better one for the land/property owner.

Any financial expert would tell you these deals are not in the long term anyway value for money, and the only real winner is the investor/freeholder.

Everyone is and so caught up in their own little bubbles of hatred to even see that they are wrong.

Not everyone getting welfare payments is a scrounger.
Not everyone in social housing is a scrounger.

The irony is we are supposed to be one of the best educated countries in the world but keep electing the same crowd in that refuse to fix solvable issues.

Just keep on bitching instead of actually doing something about it.

1) complain to the ombudsman about the above scheme. Demand that it's investigated about wasting taxpayers money. Ask questions as to why the council didn't buy them themselves instead of agreeing to a lease where they pay more than the flats are worse.
2) demand that more is done to help the working poor and those who are in long term viable jobs who are refused mortgages from banks.
3) cap the prices of new builds so developers pockets are not lined.
4) make places in schools for kids with disabilities so carers can actually go to work for there 15 hrs a week instead of having to home school kids
5) cap the number of dependants on a w claim so the likes of cash can't keep breeding
6) force the banks to lend responsibility
7) do away with rebuilding ireland scheme as it doesn't work. Get the councils to offer a guarantee scheme to banks and CU instead for mortgages and the council retain an interest in the property and the purchasers pay it. Reduces the waiting lists and councils spend very little.

Actually do something instead of being keyboard warriors and bitching.

In my village 16 families are waiting for council housing. Every single one of them is working. There are probably more waiting. They have been priced out and rents are keeping them from saving as much as they need to be able to buy.

katiek102010

Geuze wrote: »

You referred to teachers, not CO clerical officers.

I said both and believe you me, teachers, nurses, guards, Co's are all very much in the same boat

171170

katiek102010 wrote: »

Do you have any idea how redicilous that is. What if the spouse is working in the city, what if the cared for persons specialist medical appts etc are there. What if th they need external family supports are there. Should everyone with a disability be living in the country away from transport links that may be necessary to get them to medical appts etc.

Do you regard the above situation as the norm across social housing in Ireland?

Also, do you believe that the unusual situation that you have outlined should form the basis of national social housing policy?

Are you familiar with the adage that hard cases make bad law?

tastyt

katiek102010 wrote: »

I said both and believe you me, teachers, nurses, guards, Co's are all very much in the same boat

No I won't believe you as its not true

Pronto63

boring accountant wrote: »

It should be a prerequisite to have a job in order to get a council house in Dublin.

The only way to fairly ration a short supply is to decide based on merit.

What is the actual criteria for your placing on the social housing list.

I guess number of kids comes into it and also and disabilities but how exactly does it work?

Do they give merit to people who work/contribute?

katiek102010

171170 wrote: »

Do you regard the above situation as the norm across social housing in Ireland?

Also, do you believe that the unusual situation that you have outlined should form the basis of national social housing policy?

Are you familiar with the adage that hard cases make bad law?

It's starting to become a norm. It might be as simple as unable to source child care due to shortages in facilities and 1 parent having to give up full time work.

There are numerous reasons why a 1 income household is becoming the norm. Historically it was the norm and in the 30+ years 1 income households have been priced out and its wrong, very wrong.

A long of "working class" jobs are rotating shift work but schools, childcare are not. In lots of towns and villages it is physically impossible to get wrap around childcare.

Many families go with the parent who earns the most and they other is stuck in a position where they are looking for a job that allows them the flexibility to work termtime during school hours or when the other parent is home. Where are those jobs.
Carers allows people to work a max of 15 hrs a week. Most part time jobs are in excess of that and don't allow the flexibility for hospital appts etc

171170

Pronto63 wrote: »

What is the actual criteria for your placing on the social housing list.

I guess number of kids comes into it and also and disabilities but how exactly does it work?

Do they give merit to people who work/contribute?

In essence the criteria for being put on the list are that someone has a genuine housing need and are unable to provide housing from their income. There are also criteria like having a link to the local area, so someone from say Artane, would find it hard to get on the Mayo County Council housing list.

So loads of people get on the social housing lists and are then prioritised depending on a range of factors - actual homelessness/overcrowding/number of sprogs/ill health/disability/compassionate grounds, etc. etc.

171170

katiek102010 wrote: »

It's starting to become a norm. It might be as simple as unable to source child care due to shortages in facilities and 1 parent having to give up full time work.

There are numerous reasons why a 1 income household is becoming the norm. Historically it was the norm and in the 30+ years 1 income households have been priced out and its wrong, very wrong.

A long of "working class" jobs are rotating shift work but schools, childcare are not. In lots of towns and villages it is physically impossible to get wrap around childcare.

Many families go with the parent who earns the most and they other is stuck in a position where they are looking for a job that allows them the flexibility to work termtime during school hours or when the other parent is home. Where are those jobs.
Carers allows people to work a max of 15 hrs a week. Most part time jobs are in excess of that and don't allow the flexibility for hospital appts etc

Three simple questions asked. How about three yes or no answers?

katiek102010

Pronto63 wrote: »

What is the actual criteria for your placing on the social housing list.

I guess number of kids comes into it and also and disabilities but how exactly does it work?

Do they give merit to people who work/contribute?

When I worked in housing it was a points based system on Individual circumstances. The system has not kept up with the times.

It needs a complete overhaul

katiek102010

171170 wrote: »

Three simple questions asked. How about three yes or no answers?

Yes, yes and yes

Idbatterim

zeebre12 wrote: »

1.2 million people will get a Christmas bonus next week. I know some people like working carers deserve an extra payment but this is crazy. Great little country.

https://www.gov.uk/christmas-bonus

Yeah ten pounds ! I believe here , that only the long term unemployed get it , not short term unemployed , it’s perverse! The politician wan***s might think they owe this scum something, I don’t ! We keep hearing about the ha k bailout , it’s a one of drop in the ocean compared to this welfare black hole !

Can we find out which councilors voted for this lunacy ?

Idbatterim

My point about peter Casey was , he expressed an interest in politics , has some money and would get a lot of media exposure which is priceless. Good luck if joe soap wants to start up a new party without serious money to get their policies out there and exposure etc

Casey also wasn’t a lying rat afraid to speak the truth , that immediately separates him from the rest of the wasters in the dail. Obviously far from perfect , but I’m voting Kermit the frog or Mickey Mouse next election. Or ff to punish fg for their **** , I don’t think they should be let away with it. Of course ff are a disgrace , but in the absence of any party for many of us to vote for , what are we meant to do ?

Boggles

Idbatterim wrote: »

My point about peter Casey was , he expressed an interest in politics , has some money and would get a lot of media exposure which is priceless. Good luck if joe soap wants to start up a new party without serious money to get their policies out there and exposure etc

What's his policies?

Idbatterim

Boggles wrote: »

What's his policies?

He spoke of the taxpayer being done here , that is the key issue as far as I’m concerned. Go with usc abolition , the public like simple messages !

They have billions to waste every budget , usc can be phased out over several. Of course it will
Involve no yearly welfare hikes , likely cuts. Let them pay a reasonable amount towards their rent, not the virtually free rent they get now. Free rent when you consider many of them are paying it with the free money they get. Produced by Santa and the fairies , not working people obviously

USC is hated , go with it’s abolotion. All the free travel passes , free go visits etc. it’s insane. You’d wonder if there is another collapse , would they shed out the system properly? Highly unlikely with the current rats in power !

ThunbergsAreGo

ChikiChiki wrote: »

The great Irish sell off folks. We will look back some day on these times and feel like absolute idiots for not kicking Fine Gael out on its arse.

They deserve to be in the sewers with the rats. Everything is for sale. They have done nothing to put barriers in the way to help their own population.

Kick them out for who?