The €3,000 per month luxury welfare apartments

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Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I had so much optimism when a Stephen Donnelly lead Social Democrats appeared on the scene. They have been so disappointing

But Donnelly was never the sole leader, just one third (or should that be "turd") of the three-headed monster!

And as soon as he realised the pair of harridans that he had ended up with, he bailed out!

tabby aspreme

Have any of the DLR Councillors spoken about this, you would think some of the Labour, PBP, or Green Councillors would see this, as excessive spending of public money, with no long term return, that it is

we should all protest by taking a day off work

Idbatterim

Protest organized for Saturday seventh. See attached. It’s a ****ing scandal. Brian leeson has organized it. The only single person in my area who seems to give a toss about this housing crisis. What has years and years of voting for the early risers party got me ?! It’s gotten us this farce. This insult ! Oh Jesus I can’t wait for the electioneering to start , the fg vermin will be getting a serious earful !

Thelonious Monk

That's Eirigí ffs. The turnout will be hilarious. People just don't care enough about these things, you're wasting your time.

Ha Long Bay

Idbatterim wrote: »

Protest organized for Saturday seventh. See attached. It’s a ****ing scandal. Brian leeson has organized it. The only single person in my area who seems to give a toss about this housing crisis. What has years and years of voting for the early risers party got me ?! It’s gotten us this farce. This insult ! Oh Jesus I can’t wait for the electioneering to start , the fg vermin will be getting a serious earful !

Had to look up the guy you mentioned. He is a member of Éirígí and on his website "from 2016 to the present he has been extremely active on the issue of housing, helping to establish both Dundrum Housing Action and the Dundrum Housing Cooperative. This work has also involved him working with a large number of individuals and families that are directly affected by the housing crisis"

https://www.brianleeson.com/about-brian

He is now out complaining public housing is being provided?

X111111111111

Idbatterim wrote: »

Protest organized for Saturday seventh. See attached. It’s a ****ing scandal. Brian leeson has organized it. The only single person in my area who seems to give a toss about this housing crisis. What has years and years of voting for the early risers party got me ?! It’s gotten us this farce. This insult ! Oh Jesus I can’t wait for the electioneering to start , the fg vermin will be getting a serious earful !

You'll get a few crusties that turn up at these things and that's it. Real change comes at the ballot box and people are too thick and stupid to vote for change in this country.

strandroad

john4321 wrote: »

Had to look up the guy you mentioned. He is a member of Éirígí and on his website "from 2016 to the present he has been extremely active on the issue of housing, helping to establish both Dundrum Housing Action and the Dundrum Housing Cooperative. This work has also involved him working with a large number of individuals and families that are directly affected by the housing crisis"

https://www.brianleeson.com/about-brian

He is now out complaining public housing is being provided?

I am not into this crowd at all but I see nothing illogical in favouring good value public housing over bad value public housing and therefore protesting against the latter?

Thelonious Monk

john4321 wrote: »

Had to look up the guy you mentioned. He is a member of Éirígí and on his website "from 2016 to the present he has been extremely active on the issue of housing, helping to establish both Dundrum Housing Action and the Dundrum Housing Cooperative. This work has also involved him working with a large number of individuals and families that are directly affected by the housing crisis"

https://www.brianleeson.com/about-brian

He is now out complaining public housing is being provided?

well it's being provided at 52 million, they could have built a whole town for that price if they didn't spend it on prime real estate

Ha Long Bay

strandroad wrote: »

I am not into this crowd at all but I see nothing illogical in favouring good value public housing over bad value public housing and therefore protesting against the latter?

I was just pointing out who the poster was pointing too as the solution is actually the cause of the problem. Putting pressure on the government to provide housing with no thoughts on cost.

strandroad

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

well it's being provided at 52 million, they could have built a whole town for that price if they didn't spend it on prime real estate

To rent prime real estate and have nothing to show for it at the end...

strandroad

john4321 wrote: »

I was just pointing out who the poster was pointing too as the solution is actually the cause of the problem. Putting pressure on the government to provide housing with no thoughts on cost.

Again I'm not with that crowd but I don't think it's fair to say that they expect or even sanction luxury. As evidenced by their protest.

Ha Long Bay

strandroad wrote: »

To rent prime real estate and have nothing to show for it at the end...

Just to be clear I do not support this at all. I think its a huge waste of taxpayers money and an insult to working people. My issue was the poster pushing a Éirígí candidate to lead the protest.

Underground

Why were the DLR Coco allowed to go through with this transaction? Surely someone somewhere, whoever signs off on these things, somewhere along the chain of command, could have seen this for the scandalous use of public money that it is?

I believe the rule of thumb when building residential units in Dublin is that 1 in every 10 built have to be allocated to social / public housing. The Germans have leased this to the council so that all 87 will be council tenants. Fcucking incredible. People whinge about "cuckoo" funds and other terms the hacks come up with, this is actually the inverse. Private renters are being beaten to it not by the big bad cuckoo fund, but by the big bad county council.

Also, I thought we learned our lesson about creating ghettos after the last recession? This will be one big ghetto in the heart of Dundrum. Herbert Hill could very quickly transition from the site of brand new luxury apartments in a prime location to an absolute sh*thole, all it will take is just a few families, just a few out of that 87.

iamtony

I haven't read all of this thread and at first it did boil my blood reading the start of it but on second thought I dispise the fact that builders can defer the social housing from nice estates and stick them all in a cheaper housing which basically means you have to pay to get away. The council(or corporation) have bought houses in my estate ane moved some scumbags in so why the **** shouldn't more upmarket areas have to carry their weight.

Ha Long Bay

strandroad wrote: »

Again I'm not with that crowd but I don't think it's fair to say that they expect or even sanction luxury. As evidenced by their protest.

I understand that but by the constant pressure applied about numbers of homeless etc. its forcing these decisions. Don't get me wrong I dont agree with either side and not defending it.

iamtony

iamtony wrote: »

I haven't read all of this thread and at first it did boil my blood reading the start of it but on second thought I dispise the fact that builders can defer the social housing from nice estates and stick them all in a cheaper housing which basically means you have to pay to get away. The council(or corporation) have bought houses in my estate ane moved some scumbags in so why the **** shouldn't more upmarket areas have to carry their weight.

Yeah, they're really punishing the developer and investment fund here. If this is torture then can I have some.

iamtony

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, they're really punishing the developer and investment fund here. If this is torture then can I have some.

As I said I haven't read the whole thread and it's madness what they are paying per unit and all that bit my point is it's about time the upper middle class have to feel the pain like the rest of us.

upper middle class are not going to suffer. the entire unit is sold out to social housing and due to higher levels of policing those tenants who aren't decent or haven't the sense not to **** on their own doorstep will be kept in check.

hmmm

iamtony wrote: »

I haven't read all of this thread and at first it did boil my blood reading the start of it but on second thought I dispise the fact that builders can defer the social housing from nice estates and stick them all in a cheaper housing which basically means you have to pay to get away. The council(or corporation) have bought houses in my estate ane moved some scumbags in so why the **** shouldn't more upmarket areas have to carry their weight.

I know where you're coming from and I agree with you. However, if they are going to house people in social housing in places like Dundrum (which they should), then it's a bit of an insult that they are going to be placed in high-spec apartments which would rent for several thousand euro a month - places most workers couldn't afford to buy or rent. This impacts on all of us because ultimately it's everyone's tax money being spent on this. The council should be told to find another option which doesn't involve penthouse apartments for the lucky few.

iamtony

Deleted User wrote: »

upper middle class are not going to suffer. the entire unit is sold out to social housing and due to higher levels of policing those tenants who aren't decent or haven't the sense not to **** on their own doorstep will be kept in check.

I think a compulsory purchase order is the right thing here but thinking it won't turn into a ****hole is laughable. It will take time but once the kids become teens it will be a nightmare.

Idbatterim

X111111111111 wrote: »

You'll get a few crusties that turn up at these things and that's it. Real change comes at the ballot box and people are too thick and stupid to vote for change in this country.

Right. Who can I vote for to deliver real change then ? Yeah , thought so !

Idbatterim

At least this man has organized something. It’s is a scandalous waste of taxpayer money. We are all in agreement with that. Where I might disagree with eirigi on this , is the rates the tenants will pay. But eirigi dont control that. Again that’s the current establishment giving it away !

iamtony

iamtony wrote: »

I think a compulsory purchase order is the right thing here but thinking it won't turn into a ****hole is laughable. It will take time but once the kids become teens it will be a nightmare.

you can't CPO below market value.

hmmm

Idbatterim wrote: »

At least this man has organized something. It’s is a scandalous waste of taxpayer money. We are all in agreement with that. Where I might disagree with eirigi on this , is the rates the tenants will pay. But eirigi dont control that. Again that’s the current establishment giving it away !

Would you give it a break. Eirigi and the other assorted socialist republican groups are not the answer to overspending of taxpayer's money, sweet mother of god.

iamtony

Deleted User wrote: »

you can't CPO below market value.

Then pay market value, better than paying that kind of rent for 25 years or whatever it is.

Thelonious Monk

Idbatterim wrote: »

At least this man has organized something. It’s is a scandalous waste of taxpayer money. We are all in agreement with that. Where I might disagree with eirigi on this , is the rates the tenants will pay. But eirigi dont control that. Again that’s the current establishment giving it away !

Right but nothing is going to change, everyone is still going to vote for FF/FG, no one is going to show up at the protest. There's no point getting worked up about these things, nothing will change and before you know it you'll be an old man. Just meditate or something.

jimmers23

And I am getting audited.. ffs paye ...mortgage, 2 kids and a 50 minute commute each way.. the mind boggles

Idbatterim

hmmm wrote: »

Would you give it a break. Eirigi and the other assorted socialist republican groups are not the answer to overspending of taxpayer's money, sweet mother of god.

Please tell me who is ? Fg? Ff? Lol

iamtony

iamtony wrote: »

Then pay market value, better than paying that kind of rent for 25 years or whatever it is.

The issue isn't that they overpaid, they couldn't buy it and it is almost the most expensive residential space in Ireland