Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

El_Duderino 09

Cork Trucker wrote: »

It was the 1997 launch that featured the spice girls when West became sponsor, no?

Why have those kind of things stopped? Where did the money ceme from and where did it go?

I know they've fallen out of fashion but it would have made sense for someone like RP to do something to attract attention this year since they've made such a big step forward.

g1983d

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why have those kind of things stopped? Where did the money ceme from and where did it go?

I know they've fallen out of fashion but it would have made sense for someone like RP to do something to attract attention this year since they've made such a big step forward.

I think o read somewhere before that Jordans theatre royal car launch cost a lot

g1983d

Interesting RTE F1 coverage article

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2020/0702/1151079-jordan-f1-years/

Harika

Next races
Saison #2020: 11.10. Nürburgring, 25.10. Portimao, 1.11. Imola

afatbollix

g1983d wrote: »

I think o read somewhere before that Jordans theatre royal car launch cost a lot

I was going to reply that it was Jordan leaving and Red Bull becoming a serious team that meant the fun has left...

eviltimeban

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why have those kind of things stopped? Where did the money ceme from and where did it go?

Where do you go to cotton eye joe! :pac: Sorry I couldn't resist.

Seriously though, I think in the 2000s with all the cost savings they cut that down. And then with the global downturn it was considered somewhat obscene to have these big money launches, especially when trying to draw in new fans and keep existing fans.

That's really when it turned into the "two drivers sitting on the wheels" kind of launch.

Cool_CM

Harika wrote: »

Next races
Saison #2020: 11.10. Nürburgring, 25.10. Portimao, 1.11. Imola

Although a complete **** show, this situation has done wonders for tracks that would have never had the chance to get a look-in for races. Great to see Portugal and "San Marino" back on a calendar. Pity there are no fans this time around, but at least it will go the help prove the point that other purpose built circuits do exist and are suitable for F1 racing as opposed to more "we can turn this city into a track" events.

g1983d

afatbollix wrote: »

I was going to reply that it was Jordan leaving and Red Bull becoming a serious team that meant the fun has left...

True, Red Bull are the pretenders to Jordans rock n roll identity but are too corporate to pull it off.
Remember when Seb was winning they'd have music blaring from the garage as they stripped it down after a race.

namloc1980

Harika wrote: »

Next races
Saison #2020: 11.10. Nürburgring, 25.10. Portimao, 1.11. Imola

The Imola weekend will be a 2 day event. No Friday practice apparently.

namloc1980

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/53527355

US, Mexico and Brazil GPs cancelled.

quokula

eviltimeban wrote: »

Where do you go to cotton eye joe! :pac: Sorry I couldn't resist.

Seriously though, I think in the 2000s with all the cost savings they cut that down. And then with the global downturn it was considered somewhat obscene to have these big money launches, especially when trying to draw in new fans and keep existing fans.

That's really when it turned into the "two drivers sitting on the wheels" kind of launch.

The irony being that the teams spend about twice as much per year now as they did back when they actually delivered a show for the money.

Cork Trucker

Raikkonen is the only man on the grid to have raced at Imola in F1

Inquitus

Results from the last Imola GP in 2006! Kimi is indeed the only man still in F1 today!

Pos No Driver Constructor Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 5 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari 62 1:31:06.486 1 10
2 1 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault 62 +2.096 5 8
3 4 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 62 +15.868 7 6
4 6 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 62 +17.096 4 5
5 3 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 62 +17.524 8 4
6 9 Australia Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 62 +37.739 10 3
7 12 United Kingdom Jenson Button Honda 62 +39.635 2 2
8 2 Italy Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 62 +40.200 11 1
9 7 Germany Ralf Schumacher Toyota 62 +45.511 6
10 11 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Honda 62 +1:17.851 3
11 10 Germany Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 62 +1:19.675 13
12 17 Canada Jacques Villeneuve BMW Sauber 62 +1:22.370 12
13 16 Germany Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 61 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Italy Vitantonio Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 16
15 21 United States Scott Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 18
16 18 Portugal Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 60 +2 Laps 19
Ret 14 United Kingdom David Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari 47 Driveshaft 14
Ret 22 Japan Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 44 Accident 21
Ret 15 Austria Christian Klien Red Bull-Ferrari 40 Hydraulics 17
Ret 23 Japan Yuji Ide Super Aguri-Honda 23 Suspension 22
Ret 8 Italy Jarno Trulli Toyota 5 Steering 9
Ret 19 Netherlands Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 0 Accident 20

Cork Trucker

Inquitus wrote: »

Results from the last Imola GP in 2006! Kimi is indeed the only man still in F1 today!

Pos No Driver Constructor Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 5 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari 62 1:31:06.486 1 10
2 1 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault 62 +2.096 5 8
3 4 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 62 +15.868 7 6
4 6 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 62 +17.096 4 5
5 3 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 62 +17.524 8 4
6 9 Australia Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 62 +37.739 10 3
7 12 United Kingdom Jenson Button Honda 62 +39.635 2 2
8 2 Italy Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 62 +40.200 11 1
9 7 Germany Ralf Schumacher Toyota 62 +45.511 6
10 11 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Honda 62 +1:17.851 3
11 10 Germany Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 62 +1:19.675 13
12 17 Canada Jacques Villeneuve BMW Sauber 62 +1:22.370 12
13 16 Germany Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 61 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Italy Vitantonio Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 16
15 21 United States Scott Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 18
16 18 Portugal Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 60 +2 Laps 19
Ret 14 United Kingdom David Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari 47 Driveshaft 14
Ret 22 Japan Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 44 Accident 21
Ret 15 Austria Christian Klien Red Bull-Ferrari 40 Hydraulics 17
Ret 23 Japan Yuji Ide Super Aguri-Honda 23 Suspension 22
Ret 8 Italy Jarno Trulli Toyota 5 Steering 9
Ret 19 Netherlands Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 0 Accident 20

That race is also infamous for the Ide/Albers incident which cost the former his super licence and F1 career as a result, whether he was a long term prospect is unlikely.

Inquitus

Cork Trucker wrote: »

That race is also infamous for the Ide/Albers incident which cost the former his super licence and F1 career as a result, whether he was a long term prospect is unlikely.

Horrific looking crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=857V01ATAL4

eviltimeban

I keep forgetting Montoya was with McLaren. He's always Williams in my mind.

What did Ide do specifically that warranted that punishment?

Inquitus

eviltimeban wrote: »

I keep forgetting Montoya was with McLaren. He's always Williams in my mind.

What did Ide do specifically that warranted that punishment?

Causing the crash in the youtube video above, that could have ended very badly, and also a reputation for causing crashes.

eviltimeban

Inquitus wrote: »

Causing the crash in the youtube video above, that could have ended very badly, and also a reputation for causing crashes.

Sure he wouldn't have been the first or last F1 driver to cause a crash!

Inquitus

eviltimeban wrote: »

Sure he wouldn't have been the first or last F1 driver to cause a crash!

Aye he was hopeless too, he's always up there in a list of worst F1 drivers ever!

donspeekinglesh

He'd picked up a reputation for spins, crashes and being slow in the few races before Imola. He had no experience of the car or the tracks. He had mostly raced in Japan where he earned the results for his super license ( unlike some drivers who got it for driving an F1 car for 200km).

Cork Trucker

eviltimeban wrote: »

I keep forgetting Montoya was with McLaren. He's always Williams in my mind.

What did Ide do specifically that warranted that punishment?

Talks of joining McLaren began after Magny Cours 2003 when he lost out in the pit stops to Ralf Schumacher who took the last Williams 1-2 I think at that race. The deal for 2005 became public knowledge before Christmas of 2003, in hindsight JPM appears to have regretted the move. The McLaren team and car weren’t to his liking.

Cork Trucker

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

He'd picked up a reputation for spins, crashes and being slow in the few races before Imola. He had no experience of the car or the tracks. He had mostly raced in Japan where he earned the results for his super license ( unlike some drivers who got it for driving an F1 car for 200km).

All in only 4 races.

Cork Trucker

Markus Winkelhock Was a better F1 driver than Ide, the man only raced once and lead it.

tipp_tipp_tipp

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Imola weekend will be a 2 day event. No Friday practice apparently.

That's interesting, I wonder if it's related to noise restrictions. Will be interesting to see how well the track races. The racing was pretty processional there after 94, but with the removal of the final chicane and DRS it should be pretty good this time around.

It's a pity this season is when tracks I've been hoping to see on the calendar finally make it, would be great if it was a season when 3 teams were battling at the front. Still Imola should be a bit interesting with less practice running.

BikeRacer

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Raikkonen is the only man on the grid to have raced at Imola in F1

https://twitter.com/_markgallagher/status/1286694607925972997

pjohnson

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Markus Winkelhock Was a better F1 driver than Ide, the man only raced once and lead it.

I'd say Lotterer had a better f1 career and he didn't complete a lap before his Caterham shat itself.

Cork Trucker

pjohnson wrote: »

I'd say Lotterer had a better f1 career and he didn't complete a lap before his Caterham shat itself.

More like Lotterer got shafted

muckwarrior

Inquitus wrote: »

Results from the last Imola GP in 2006! Kimi is indeed the only man still in F1 today!

Pos No Driver Constructor Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 5 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari 62 1:31:06.486 1 10
2 1 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault 62 +2.096 5 8
3 4 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 62 +15.868 7 6
4 6 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 62 +17.096 4 5
5 3 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 62 +17.524 8 4
6 9 Australia Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 62 +37.739 10 3
7 12 United Kingdom Jenson Button Honda 62 +39.635 2 2
8 2 Italy Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 62 +40.200 11 1
9 7 Germany Ralf Schumacher Toyota 62 +45.511 6
10 11 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Honda 62 +1:17.851 3
11 10 Germany Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 62 +1:19.675 13
12 17 Canada Jacques Villeneuve BMW Sauber 62 +1:22.370 12
13 16 Germany Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 61 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Italy Vitantonio Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 16
15 21 United States Scott Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 18
16 18 Portugal Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 60 +2 Laps 19
Ret 14 United Kingdom David Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari 47 Driveshaft 14
Ret 22 Japan Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 44 Accident 21
Ret 15 Austria Christian Klien Red Bull-Ferrari 40 Hydraulics 17
Ret 23 Japan Yuji Ide Super Aguri-Honda 23 Suspension 22
Ret 8 Italy Jarno Trulli Toyota 5 Steering 9
Ret 19 Netherlands Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 0 Accident 20

I'd forgotten Red Bull had Ferrari engines at one stage.

Indestructable

Will Mclaren ever be allowed to be competitive with a Mercedes engine?? It's something that's bothering me, no matter how good their aero is Mercedes surely won't allow them to get ahead. I think it's not good for F1 and I wish they stuck with Honda.