A doctor with extensive "body art"

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe they're symptomatic of the same underlying malaise..

which is?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

I’ve met plenty of incompetent “respectable” looking doctors. Could not care less about piercings and body art if the doctor is good.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would it not be especially tragic if we as a society got to a stage where 60 year old doctors were going to tattoo studios to get their ink made a bit more fashionable?..

So tattoos should only be for the young? What would be so "tragic" about it?

ohnonotgmail

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So tattoos should only be for the young? What would be so "tragic" about it?

I can definitely see a flaw in that argument.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Strumms wrote: »

Why would someone having body art lead you to call into question their professionalism....?

For some, it just does. That view seems to be dying out slowly but is still there to some extent. And unfortunately, there’s not a whole lot one can do to stop people judging them in that way except maybe to help normalise tattoos on a societal level.

For me, I’d be lying if I said that tattoos that go from the neck up onto the scalp don’t make me a bit wary. I hate how they look and they set something off in my brain. I’m not going to bother analysing why either.

ohnonotgmail

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

For some, it just does. That view seems to be dying out slowly but is still there to some extent. And unfortunately, there’s not a whole lot one can do to stop people judging them in that way except maybe to help normalise tattoos on a societal level.

For me, I’d be lying if I said that tattoos that go from the neck up onto the scalp don’t make me a bit wary. I hate how they look and they set something off in my brain. I’m not going to bother analysing why either.

well the issue is entirely on your side. Having tattoos has no effect on how somebody does their job.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well the issue is entirely on your side. Having tattoos has no effect on how somebody does their job.

It’s silly to attempt to categorically state that having tattoos has no effect on how somebody does their job. It depends upon the person, it depends upon their tattoos, and it depends upon the job.

Niallof9

galtsdrift wrote: »

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/professional/just-because-i-m-colourful-doesn-t-mean-i-m-not-co

How would you honestly feel if you were in A&E or some other hospital deptment and the doctor come in with extensive visable tattoos and body piercings

I wouldn't care but it looks manky. When it becomes full body/an obsession you do wonder about the mental health aspect.

there is still a stigma, rightly or wrongly. I know a lad who committed suicide. He had sleeves, or at least the old skull on dagger tatoos lads use to get on both arms. He felt it affected him and his wifes parents disowned the couple. This was before cheaper laser surgery.

I mean where does it stop. Do people feel comfortable with facial tattoos etc, the day that becomes the norm, i dunno i think i'm out. But thats personal opinion people can do what they want.

jim o doom

Bobblehats wrote: »

A show you mine if you show me yours type scenario wouldn’t be good practice from your local GP. Sounds like the makings of some dodgy pornographic from the states where next thing you’re strapped down on the table being dominated by some heavily tatted aggressor

lol wow you have some imagination on you.

So I'm in hospital for whatever, with visible sleeves tattooed on both arms, and a female doctor also has a lot of coverage.

The conversation would generally consist of the types of art we like, different tattoo artists that we both may know personally, or just be aware of their art on instagram or whatever.

Of all the conversations I've had with fellow tattoo enthusiasts, 99% of the time we haven't shown each other our collection. We generally just chat about our mutal like of body art and the various aspects of it.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s silly to attempt to categorically state that having tattoos has no effect on how somebody does their job. It depends upon the person, it depends upon their tattoos, and it depends upon the job.

how, exactly, can having tattoos effect how somebody does their job? Be specific.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well the issue is entirely on your side. Having tattoos has no effect on how somebody does their job.

I said only two posts above that one that if the doctor was competent, I wouldn’t care and that means my initial impression is just that. I’d soon ignore their appearance if they were good.

However, how society views tattoos in general doesn’t affect me at all. There is no issue on my side because it doesn’t affect my life. I’m saying that there are still lingering prejudices against certain types of tattoos and the people who have them have to accept that. They can’t control people’s thoughts.

ohnonotgmail

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I said only two posts above that one that if the doctor was competent, I wouldn’t care and that means my initial impression is just that. I’d soon ignore their appearance if they were good.

However, how society views tattoos in general doesn’t affect me at all. There is no issue on my side because it doesn’t affect my life. I’m saying that there are still lingering prejudices against certain types of tattoos and the people who have them have to accept that. They can’t control people’s thoughts.

No of course they can't control how other people think. But they can think people are idiots for thinking those thoughts.

ollkiller

Couldn't care less. I personally would be delighted if she was my doctor.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No of course they can't control how other people think. But they can think people are idiots for thinking those thoughts.

Every single person here has judged somebody on their appearance at one point or another. Guess everyone is an idiot so. Unless tattoos are afforded some special status?

ohnonotgmail

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Every single person here has judged somebody on their appearance at one point or another. Guess everyone is an idiot so. Unless tattoos are afforded some special status?

not at all. if you think that a persons appearance has any effect on how they do their job then i stand over what i said.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not at all. if you think that a persons appearance has any effect on how they do their job then i stand over what i said.

Ahem.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve met plenty of incompetent “respectable” looking doctors. Could not care less about piercings and body art if the doctor is good.

And I also stand by what I said. We all judge people’s appearances, all the time. Consciously, subconsciously. Every last one of us. So people should climb down off their high horse over others not being overly keen on tattoos and piercings. It’s your right to have those things but nobody is required to like them.

Elemonator

I'm failing to see what the problem is here.

ohnonotgmail

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Ahem.
And I also stand by what I said. We all judge people’s appearances, all the time. Consciously, subconsciously. Every last one of us. So people should climb down off their high horse over others not being overly keen on tattoos and piercings. It’s your right to have those things but nobody is required to like them.

you seem to be contradicting yourself

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Strumms wrote: »

Why would someone having body art lead you to call into question their professionalism....?

For some, it just does. That view seems to be dying out slowly but is still there to some extent. And unfortunately, there’s not a whole lot one can do to stop people judging them in that way except maybe to help normalise tattoos on a societal level.

For me, I’d be lying if I said that tattoos that go from the neck up onto the scalp don’t make me a bit wary. I hate how they look and they set something off in my brain. I’m not going to bother analysing why either.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how, exactly, can having tattoos effect how somebody does their job? Be specific.

I’ll be incredibly specific and just use the same example I did earlier, because I think it was a lovely example of how tattoos can have an effect on how somebody does their job -

krissovo wrote: »

My daughter was treated in the Mallow Urgent Care Centre a year or two ago by a pediatric doctor not far off what that doctor looked like.

She had Pink hair and some visible tattoos and a couple of face piercings, her nose had stud(s) and the ears were had a few in not "normal" places from what I recall. It did not even acur to me until this thread that this could be anything wrong.

Amazing Doctor, really bubbly personality and put my daughter at ease almost straight away. She even showed her a unicorn tattoo and spoke about disney princesses when she saw my daughter get stressed about being examined.

I am all for diversity in any workplace, let people be themselves and they will produce the best work.

Her tattoos had a direct effect on her ability to do her job and as a paediatric doctor to be able to make that connection with a child is of paramount importance over any medical qualifications she had.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you seem to be contradicting yourself

First impression —> the doc starts doing things and you get a sense of their skills —> second impression.

If I was presented with Scalp Tattoo Doctor, that might be how it goes. Call me judgemental but consider whether you’ve never made judgements based on appearance and get back to me.

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Raconteuse wrote: »

They're talking about appearance, not competence I think.

People's presentation isn't the be all and end all of course but it's something that's noticed.

IMO there's a co-relation between appearance and competence.

Rubberchikken

couldnt care less and i dont actually like tattoos.

ohnonotgmail

Ellison Shapely Scrabble wrote: »

IMO there's a co-relation between appearance and competence.

Only in the eye of the observer.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Only in the eye of the observer.

Stating the obvious there really seeing as someone is going to be biased in judging their own abilities anyway!

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ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Only in the eye of the observer.

Not quite, If someone arrives to work dishevelled and unkempt it gives you an insight to that persons ability to manage their life and consequently their work.

Likewise with tattos, it gives you an incite into the type of person you're interacting with. For example, this person needs or craves attention that they need to draw on their body with permanent marker, this person has some underlying issue that they need to brand their body in an attempt to express themselves or remind themselves of something.

One eyed Jack

Ellison Shapely Scrabble wrote: »

Not quite, If someone arrives to work dishevelled and unkempt it gives you an insight to that persons ability to manage their life and consequently their work.

Likewise with tattos, it gives you an incite into the type of person you're interacting with. For example, this person needs or craves attention that they need to draw on their body with permanent marker, this person has some underlying issue that they need to brand their body in an attempt to express themselves or remind themselves of something.

Again though, it depends very much on the tattoos themselves, whether they’re a cheap ink job or there has been actual effort and time went into their creation, and they might still look like crap to most people, because that’s what body art is (I’m looking at you Cheryl Tweedy with your back tattoo :pac:). I’d link to the ink but unsurprisingly there’s no decent pictures of it.

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One eyed Jack wrote: »

Again though, it depends very much on the tattoos themselves, whether they’re a cheap ink job or there has been actual effort and time went into their creation, and they might still look like crap to most people, because that’s what body art is (I’m looking at you Cheryl Tweedy with your back tattoo :pac:). I’d link to the ink but unsurprisingly there’s no decent pictures of it.

What difference does the ink make, it's the act of getting an irreversible tattoo that I would be more concerned about?

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Again though, it depends very much on the tattoos themselves, whether they’re a cheap ink job or there has been actual effort and time went into their creation, and they might still look like crap to most people, because that’s what body art is (I’m looking at you Cheryl Tweedy with your back tattoo :pac:). I’d link to the ink but unsurprisingly there’s no decent pictures of it.

there was a very good picture of it doing the rounds at the time.

I'd much rather a dodgy tramp stamp than the full sleeves and chest tattoos..

One eyed Jack

Ellison Shapely Scrabble wrote: »

What difference does the ink make, it's the act of getting an irreversible tattoo that I would be more concerned about?

I get you, but for me the ink makes all the difference between something that looks like they were dragged up through a sewer grille, and something that I would consider was actually pleasant to behold

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there was a very good picture of it doing the rounds at the time.

It still looks just as unfortunate in HD tbh :pac:

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I get you, but for me the ink makes all the difference between something that looks like they were dragged up through a sewer grille, and something that I would consider was actually pleasant to behold





It still looks just as unfortunate in HD tbh :pac:

I would be more than happy to examine it closer just to be sure.

Just googled Cheryl whatshername's tattoo.. sorry I did now..

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Just googled Cheryl whatshername's tattoo.. sorry I did now..

Ignore the art and admire the canvas

She does have a lovely bottom..

Feisar

Ellison Shapely Scrabble wrote: »

IMO there's a co-relation between appearance and competence.

I haven't found that to be the case professionally, "clothes don't make the man" as they say.

looksee

Ellison Shapely Scrabble wrote: »

Not quite, If someone arrives to work dishevelled and unkempt it gives you an insight to that persons ability to manage their life and consequently their work.

You would not know if a doctor in A&E had just arrived at work or not. A doctor looking frazzled, unkempt and untidy might just be finishing a 48 hour stint, have seen god knows how many patients, had someone die on them and had to do an emergency procedure on a distressed child. 'Managing' your life does not really come into it in those circumstances.

Sleepy

Honestly, if it was anything below the belt I was being seen for, I'd be a bit awkward. She's hot AF!

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looksee wrote: »

You would not know if a doctor in A&E had just arrived at work or not. A doctor looking frazzled, unkempt and untidy might just be finishing a 48 hour stint, have seen god knows how many patients, had someone die on them and had to do an emergency procedure on a distressed child. 'Managing' your life does not really come into it in those circumstances.

Of course it does. Outside factors will invariably have an impact on your work.

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Feisar wrote: »

I haven't found that to be the case professionally, "clothes don't make the man" as they say.

It may not make the man but gives us an insight into the type of man.

Bobblehats

Feisar wrote: »

I haven't found that to be the case professionally, "clothes don't make the man" as they say.

Yet we can tell a lot about a man by his mere shoes. Well heeled tattoo freaks just got a pass

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

But like, in 10/15 years time her tattoos will have dated awfully too..

Maybe, why should anyone give a fûck though.. she is a fully trained and accredited medical professional, good human being.. who happens to be into body art... it should have zero bearing on her ability to do her job... if I’m say in a hospital and she approached me to help and offer expertise I’m focused on that interaction and her purpose for being there...she happens to be into tattoos, great, some people around here need to have a word with themselves.

blueshade

Strumms wrote: »

Maybe, why should anyone give a fûck though.. she is a fully trained and accredited medical professional, good human being.. who happens to be into body art... it should have zero bearing on her ability to do her job... if I’m say in a hospital and she approached me to help and offer expertise I’m focused on that interaction and her purpose for being there...she happens to be into tattoos, great, some people around here need to have a word with themselves.

As I said earlier, I don't have an issue with it. But an older person or a more conservative person might feel very uncomfortable with it. The confidence of the patient in their doctor takes precedence over the doctors right to express their individuality. I'm thinking of my relatives in their 60's and 70's and they would feel extremely uncomfortable being treated by this doctor. Her tattoos and piercings don't affect her clinical abilities but her professional attitude to patient care should be to put the feelings of her patients first.

iamwhoiam

blueshade wrote: »

As I said earlier, I don't have an issue with it. But an older person or a more conservative person might feel very uncomfortable with it. The confidence of the patient in their doctor takes precedence over the doctors right to express their individuality. I'm thinking of my relatives in their 60's and 70's and they would feel extremely uncomfortable being treated by this doctor. Her tattoos and piercings don't affect her clinical abilities but her professional attitude to patient care should be to put the feelings of her patients first.

I am in my 60’s and would absolutely be happy being treated by her . As long as she is articulate , kind , efficient and knowledgeable . I would much prefer that to a mumbling , rude , hard to understand doctor . I am guessing most of my peers would feel the same

blueshade

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am in my 60’s and would absolutely be happy being treated by her . As long as she is articulate , kind , efficient and knowledgeable . I would much prefer that to a mumbling , rude , hard to understand doctor . I am guessing most of my peers would feel the same

That's you and I have said I wouldn't have an issue with it either but a lot of people wouldn't feel comfortable being treated by a pink haired doctor with facial piercings and tattoos. I suppose what it really boils down to is whether a doctor's freedom to express themselves through body piercings and tattoos is more important than the feelings of a patient. Another way of looking at it is to say the doctor in this case is a very pretty young woman, how about a male doctor with the same facial jewellery and tattoos.

One eyed Jack

blueshade wrote: »

As I said earlier, I don't have an issue with it. But an older person or a more conservative person might feel very uncomfortable with it. The confidence of the patient in their doctor takes precedence over the doctors right to express their individuality. I'm thinking of my relatives in their 60's and 70's and they would feel extremely uncomfortable being treated by this doctor. Her tattoos and piercings don't affect her clinical abilities but her professional attitude to patient care should be to put the feelings of her patients first.

Tattoos aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, sure, but there’s no reason to think of them as just an age thing. I have no doubt your relatives would have plenty of reservations about who does or doesn’t treat them, and I would too, but it’s silly to assume they would have an issue with something or someone when in reality they may well surprise not just you, but other people too who imagine the elderly were never young themselves!

iamwhoiam

blueshade wrote: »

That's you and I have said I wouldn't have an issue with it either but a lot of people wouldn't feel comfortable being treated by a pink haired doctor with facial piercings and tattoos. I suppose what it really boils down to is whether a doctor's freedom to express themselves through body piercings and tattoos is more important than the feelings of a patient. Another way of looking at it is to say the doctor in this case is a very pretty young woman, how about a male doctor with the same facial jewellery and tattoos.

How do you know that a lot of people wouldn’t feel comfortable ? You are presuming that people in their 60’s and 70’s would be uncomfortable without ever having asked most of them how they feel

I would object to any doctor who was rude or inefficient or dismissive . His tattoo or hair colour would be the least of my worries

twowheelsonly

My biggest fear would be that she'd have a FG tattoo purely because I'd then know that I was going to be well and truly fleeced !!!

RhubarbCrumble

Personally I'd be more concerned about what's written on a doctor's CV, rather than what's written on their arms.

take everything

I wish there were more judges with face tattoos.

Conall Cernach

Stuff like those big gauge things that stretch the ears or nose always make me doubt the judgment of those that have them. If my doctor walked in with those or some other body modification "art" like implanted horns or a split tongue I'd presume they were having some sort of episode.