All's not well in FG.

ELM327

riddles wrote: »

I know this is being recycled but its worth another look.

A breakdown of his pension entitlements will see him get:

€74,140 a year for his six years as Taoiseach;
€46,336 in a basic TD’s pension
€6,000 for his time as a junior minister and minister in 1980s and 90s
€378,000 in termination lump sum payments.

Meaning a pension of 126K a year

For who?

Bertie?

ThunbergsAreGo

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

God, more weight has been attached to that “people who get up early in the morning” than to any other throwaway remark in a party leadership contest. Varadkar later 'elaborated' on it to encompass anyone with any sort of job:
“What it refers to is effectively two million people who work in Ireland for a living...It’s the middle class, it’s middle Ireland..."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/leo-and-the-lie-in-taoiseach-gets-up-early-and-exercises-1.3168444

So another empty soundbite not backed with any substance from a Taoiseach accused of soundbite politics without any substance - just like his "we will remove the USC tweet"

Loafing Oaf

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

So another empty soundbite not backed with any substance from a Taoiseach accused of soundbite politics without any substance

Given his past record, it seems very naive to me to have ever taken it as anything else, particularly given the context in which he made it.

ThunbergsAreGo

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Given his past record, it seems very naive to me to have ever taken it as anything else, particularly given the context in which he made it.

Its the hope that gets you.....

"Those who get up in the morning" are an open market for a political party

Loafing Oaf

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Its the hope that gets you.....

"Those who get up in the morning" are an open market for a political party

And yet nobody seems interested in catering to that market. Probably too late for a party along those lines to emerge in time for the next GE.

James Brown

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And yet nobody seems interested in catering to that market. Probably too late for a party along those lines to emerge in time for the next GE.

Some indies, Labour, to an extent. The SD's and Sinn Fein. IMO.
No party caters for 'dem that don't want to work'. That's just spin by FF/FG.

Loafing Oaf

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Some indies, Labour, to an extent. The SD's and Sinn Fein. IMO.

Okay in literal terms, yes, virtually all political parties everywhere seek to cater to 'working people'. But catering to them in the terms envisaged by Idbatterim and ThunbergsAreGo, i.e. mainly by significantly reducing the tax burden, there's nobody coming forward in an Irish context.

James Brown

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Okay in literal terms, yes, virtually all political parties everywhere seek to cater to 'working people'. But catering to them in the terms envisaged by Idbatterim and ThunbergsAreGo, i.e. mainly by significantly reducing the tax burden, there's nobody coming forward in an Irish context.

For me it's value for money. I don't believe FG have my best interests at heart, nor those of other tax payers. I base this on their housing policy and lackluster care on things like the NCH and allocation of state contracts.
Fianna Fail are crooks. They will build more social and affordable housing, so that puts them above FG on that count IMO. They will likely have some give away budgets but not for societies sake.
The rest are an unknown AFAIC, but it's high time we rid ourselves of FF/FG even just to see what others might achieve. I'll take that gamble.
I'm cool with high taxes if we get quality services and the people are put first.

ThunbergsAreGo

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Okay in literal terms, yes, virtually all political parties everywhere seek to cater to 'working people'. But catering to them in the terms envisaged by Idbatterim and ThunbergsAreGo, i.e. mainly by significantly reducing the tax burden, there's nobody coming forward in an Irish context.

Exactly, it doesn't even have to be a significant reduction, it's giving them something. There are many ways to help working people.

Investment in public transport is a way, why it's taken to till this year to invest in additional rail stock, I'll never know, where do they think all the new houses and people get to work....... And the self congratulations on them actual ordering them really rubbed me up the right way.

I understand this is Ross (who I don't rate) but FG put him there.

It's ok there will be a new recession/green deal along shortly to increase taxes.....

antimatterx

riddles wrote: »

I know this is being recycled but its worth another look.

A breakdown of his pension entitlements will see him get:

€74,140 a year for his six years as Taoiseach;
€46,336 in a basic TD’s pension
€6,000 for his time as a junior minister and minister in 1980s and 90s
€378,000 in termination lump sum payments.

Meaning a pension of 126K a year - for Enda Kenny

And he deserves it. That man did great work to help this country

_Kaiser_

antimatterx wrote: »

And he deserves it. That man did great work to help this country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Some people in this country have very short memories - or they think others do! :rolleyes:

antimatterx

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Some people in this country have very short memories - or they think others do! :rolleyes:

Care to explain, or just make a bold statement like that without backing you your claims

McMurphy

antimatterx wrote: »

And he deserves it. That man did great work to help this country

Lol

antimatterx wrote: »

Care to explain, or just make a bold statement like that without backing you your claims

Mad_maxx

Matt Barrett wrote: »

For me it's value for money. I don't believe FG have my best interests at heart, nor those of other tax payers. I base this on their housing policy and lackluster care on things like the NCH and allocation of state contracts.
Fianna Fail are crooks. They will build more social and affordable housing, so that puts them above FG on that count IMO. They will likely have some give away budgets but not for societies sake.
The rest are an unknown AFAIC, but it's high time we rid ourselves of FF/FG even just to see what others might achieve. I'll take that gamble.
I'm cool with high taxes if we get quality services and the people are put first.

soc dems , labour , greens , AAA

all of the above are for more or less open borders , this will hurt working people more in terms of housing and access to public services than any tax cut ever would .

Calhoun

The news overnight could be good for FG if they can capitalize on it like they have done before.

Snow Garden

Calhoun wrote: »

The news overnight could be good for FG if they can capitalize on it like they have done before.

I don't see that Fine Gael have achieved anything in relation to Brexit. It has been just one big talking shop.

Colonel Claptrap

Snow Garden wrote: »

I don't see that Fine Gael have achieved anything in relation to Brexit. It has been just one big talking shop.

What did you want them to achieve?

JeffKenna

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Its the hope that gets you.....

"Those who get up in the morning" are an open market for a political party

I'll be getting up extra early to vote FG out

James Brown

Mad_maxx wrote: »

soc dems , labour , greens , AAA

all of the above are for more or less open borders , this will hurt working people more in terms of housing and access to public services than any tax cut ever would .

Open borders? Does 'more or less' mean if you are wrong, and you are, you get a pass?

_Kaiser_

antimatterx wrote: »

Care to explain, or just make a bold statement like that without backing you your claims

You're actually serious?

- the Irish water debacle
- the man with 2 pints/soldiers outside banks fantasies
- scandal after scandal on his watch
- his habit of going missing when the public pressure got too much, only to reappear later declaring there was nothing to see
- the TD report cards that never happened, or the 2011 manifesto that largely was a work of fiction
- the McCabe/Callinan scandal that ultimately led to his resignation
- the current incompetent Government being the direct result of his private crusade to set personal "records"

That's just off the top of my head. There's many more where that came from.

Calhoun

Snow Garden wrote: »

I don't see that Fine Gael have achieved anything in relation to Brexit. It has been just one big talking shop.

You may not but the opinion polls during the time Brexit was going on FG did relatively well. It was also an excuse not to go to elections.

Topgear on Dave

They may yet seriously regret that decision.

Jinglejangle69

It’s time to give someone else a chance.

This Carbon tax is a step too far for me.

Calhoun

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It’s time to give someone else a chance.

This Carbon tax is a step too far for me.

Carbon tax?

ThunbergsAreGo

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You're actually serious?

- the Irish water debacle
- the man with 2 pints/soldiers outside banks fantasies
- scandal after scandal on his watch
- his habit of going missing when the public pressure got too much, only to reappear later declaring there was nothing to see
- the TD report cards that never happened, or the 2011 manifesto that largely was a work of fiction
- the McCabe/Callinan scandal that ultimately led to his resignation
- the current incompetent Government being the direct result of his private crusade to set personal "records"

That's just off the top of my head. There's many more where that came from.

And he's still better than Leo

Jinglejangle69

Calhoun wrote: »

Carbon tax?

Yes???

Calhoun

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yes???

Which one ? the one in the budget or is there another one?

Jinglejangle69

Calhoun wrote: »

Which one ? the one in the budget or is there another one?

There was already one in our bills.

Now we have another sneaky one at the pumps.

Calhoun

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

There was already one in our bills.

Now we have another sneaky one at the pumps.

Ah ok, my question was an honest one. With all the recent attacks on solid fuels for heat I thought they introduced something else.

Plumbthedepths

They really take the taxpayer as a bottomless pit of largesse .
Not just FG but does any politician believe there is a line that should not be crossed?
Leo Varadkar signed off on former Taoisigh special support plan four months after taking office https://jrnl.ie/4932619