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All's not well in FG.

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    #632
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,589 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A warning for everyone - discuss the topic and not other posters


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    #633
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/1218/1101919-donohoe-murphy-fine-gael/
    Verona Murphy has confirmed to RTÉ News that she is to be deselected as a general election candidate by Fine Gael.

    I wonder will she run as an IND.


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    #634
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/1218/1101919-donohoe-murphy-fine-gael/



    I wonder will she run as an IND.

    Unlikely. She's damaged goods. If she had a good chance FG would have completely exonerated her, privately.


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    #635
    Snow Garden
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    Leo getting a tough time in the interview with Pat Kenny. Those same questions over Farrell, Bailey, VMurphy, DMurphy, Madigan, Mulherrins will be asked again and again during GE20.


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    #636
    Plumbthedepths
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    Verona alleging that she was silenced by FG, fair play to him for recognising that people have an issue with Dara Murphy collecting a TD's pay and expenses without doing the job. How he thinks it's important to note that Dara Murphy won't be a candidate is strange.

    Varadkar says Verona Murphy and Dara Murphy have caused Fine Gael 'reputational damage' https://jrnl.ie/4940600


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    #637
    McMurphy
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Verona alleging that she was silenced by FG, fair play to him for recognising that people have an issue with Dara Murphy collecting a TD's pay and expenses without doing the job. How he thinks it's important to note that Dara Murphy won't be a candidate is strange.

    Varadkar says Verona Murphy and Dara Murphy have caused Fine Gael 'reputational damage' https://jrnl.ie/4940600

    What about bailey, Madigan, Farrell and Fitzgerald?

    And Leo himself with his absolute horse balls report he tried to bury?


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    #638
    kevthegaff
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    What about bailey, Madigan, Farrell and Fitzgerald?

    And Leo himself with his absolute horse balls report he tried to bury?

    I actually believe if he was more cut throat and had dealt with these tds he'd be a shoe in for the next election. People can see he has stuttered and dodged these. I even see Francis Fitzgerald quite a bit I'm the media again


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    #639
    Plumbthedepths
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    What about bailey, Madigan, Farrell and Fitzgerald?

    And Leo himself with his absolute horse balls report he tried to bury?

    Sure weren't they all exonerated, well maybe not Farrell. Clever boy though Farrell, head down mouth shut..well until this.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/insurance-sector-telling-us-porky-pies-for-quite-some-time-fine-gael-td-alan-farrell-38796987.html

    He'd know all about 'pork pies' the little chancer


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    #640
    _Kaiser_
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    What about bailey, Madigan, Farrell and Fitzgerald?

    And Leo himself with his absolute horse balls report he tried to bury?

    Ah it's Leo remember.. Deflect, deflect and deflect some more!

    He's trying to look all proactive only because of the upcoming election and probably with an eye on his next gig if/when FG are restored to (their rightful place on) the opposition benches.

    It's like "looking after people who get up early". Sounds good, but absolutely no substance behind it.


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    #641
    McMurphy
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Ah it's Leo remember.. Deflect, deflect and deflect some more!

    He's trying to look all proactive only because of the upcoming election and probably with an eye on his next gig if/when FG are restored to (their rightful place on) the opposition benches.

    It's like "looking after people who get up early". Sounds good, but absolutely no substance behind it.

    Leo himself basically conceded that he's off to (delete as applicable) the EU/Opposition benches in 2020 yesterday with his toe to toe with M.Martin. :D


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    #642
    James Brown
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Leo himself basically conceded that he's off to (delete as applicable) the EU/Opposition benches in 2020 yesterday with his toe to toe with M.Martin. :D

    Bluster before the election. It's like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant ffs.
    Full marks for both keeping straight faces.

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    #643
    Loafing Oaf
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Leo himself basically conceded that he's off to (delete as applicable) the EU/Opposition benches in 2020 yesterday with his toe to toe with M.Martin. :D
    :eek:
    Have you a citation on this?


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    #644
    McMurphy
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    :eek:
    Have you a citation on this?

    Tongue in cheek comment, I was referring to when he asked Martin if he would rule out any of the TDs caught up in vote gate becoming ministers in the next govt.


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    #645
    charlie14
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    Does anyone believe had the trucker Murphy won that by-election she would not be on the FG ticket for the upcoming general election ?


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    #646
    riddles
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    A decent question to put to Leo would be "does he believe that PR and spin are an adequate substitute for Realpolitik and leadership now we are on the run in to an election?"


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    #647
    blanch152
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    Does anyone believe had the trucker Murphy won that by-election she would not be on the FG ticket for the upcoming general election ?

    Leave aside her views, it was always the case that if a FG candidate won one of the four by-elections that they would be on the general election ticket and if they lost, they probably would not.

    Same for all the other parties with multiple candidates. If Ward had lost in Dublin Mid-West, then he wouldn't have made the SF ticket as they would stick with O'Broin as single candidate.


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    #648
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Leave aside her views, it was always the case that if a FG candidate won one of the four by-elections that they would be on the general election ticket and if they lost, they probably would not.

    Same for all the other parties with multiple candidates. If Ward had lost in Dublin Mid-West, then he wouldn't have made the SF ticket as they would stick with O'Broin as single candidate.

    She seems to be inferring it is because of her views, which she has now doubled down on.


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    blanch152
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    She seems to be inferring it is because of her views, which she has now doubled down on.


    It is because of those views that she didn't win, so if she had won, it would have been because she didn't express those views, in which case, there would hardly be any coverage of views which she never expressed, so the whole thing goes round in a circle.

    She didn't win the by-election so isn't going on the ticket. That was completely predictable and unrelated to her views.


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    #650
    Loafing Oaf
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Leave aside her views, it was always the case that if a FG candidate won one of the four by-elections that they would be on the general election ticket and if they lost, they probably would not.

    Not sure it's this cut and dried. FG seem to have a policy of running three candidates in Wexford, even though they haven't won three seats for a long time. If Murphy hadn't said anything controversial and came a strong second in the by-election, I doubt they'd be dropping her.


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    #651
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is because of those views that she didn't win, so if she had won, it would have been because she didn't express those views, in which case, there would hardly be any coverage of views which she never expressed, so the whole thing goes round in a circle.

    She didn't win the by-election so isn't going on the ticket. That was completely predictable and unrelated to her views.

    You are in a knot there.

    "It is because of those views that she didn't win"
    "so if she had won, it would have been because she didn't express those views"

    So if she never said that stuff she might have won.
    But she did and had Varadkar out with her knocking on doors.

    But she pulled back on those views, then lost the vote and FG's backing and is now doubling down.
    All's I'm saying is she seems to be saying it was because of her views and I'd add likely that video. And yes nobody wants to keep an unpopular loser around. No Senate seat for her.


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    blanch152
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You are in a knot there.

    "It is because of those views that she didn't win"
    "so if she had won, it would have been because she didn't express those views"

    So if she never said that stuff she might have won.
    But she did and had Varadkar out with her knocking on doors.

    But she pulled back on those views, then lost the vote and FG's backing and is now doubling down.
    All's I'm saying is she seems to be saying it was because of her views and I'd add likely that video. And yes nobody wants to keep an unpopular loser around. No Senate seat for her.

    This is the reason above all. If you lose an election or perform badly for some self-inflicted reasons, you don't usually get a second chance from a political party.


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    #653
    LuasSimon
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    Fine Gael will get some doing in Rural Ireland next time round . Their Dublin Dublin Dublin focus and their head in the sand approach to traveller crime in Rural Ireland carry on will see them lose many rural votes which will cost them quite a few seats .


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    #654
    James Brown
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Fine Gael will get some doing in Rural Ireland next time round . Their Dublin Dublin Dublin focus and their head in the sand approach to traveller crime in Rural Ireland carry on will see them lose many rural votes which will cost them quite a few seats .

    Traveler crime has been an issues forever. The only worrying thing for all of us is the rise in that Trump era guff Casey and now Murphy are flirting with. Scaremongering to cod people with genuine concerns for votes.
    ISIS don't need a work permit and a foreva home to carry out an attack should they wish to do so. Can't see Borris-in-Ossory being high on the hit list.


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    blanch152
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Traveler crime has been an issues forever. The only worrying thing for all of us is the rise in that Trump era guff Casey and now Murphy are flirting with. Scaremongering to cod people with genuine concerns for votes.
    ISIS don't need a work permit and a foreva home to carry out an attack should they wish to do so. Can't see Borris-in-Ossory being high on the hit list.

    I would agree with you that Borris-in-Ossory has more to fear from a Traveller wedding than from an ISIS attack, or is that the point you were trying to make?


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    #656
    charlie14
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Leave aside her views, it was always the case that if a FG candidate won one of the four by-elections that they would be on the general election ticket and if they lost, they probably would not.

    Same for all the other parties with multiple candidates. If Ward had lost in Dublin Mid-West, then he wouldn't have made the SF ticket as they would stick with O'Broin as single candidate.

    So by that logic and regardless of her views if she had won the by-election then you are saying she would have been on the FG ticket for the GE.


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    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    charlie14 wrote: »
    So by that logic and regardless of her views if she had won the by-election then you are saying she would have been on the FG ticket for the GE.

    Well yes, that is part of what I am saying, but as her views prevented her winning the by-election, a situation whereby someone with her views ended up on the FG general election ticket is not possible.


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    #658
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Well yes, that is part of what I am saying, but as her views prevented her winning the by-election, a situation whereby someone with her views ended up on the FG general election ticket is not possible.

    Now I'm baffled.

    Likely she got dropped because she lost.
    She thinks it's because of her views.
    It's likely a mix. If you are favoured they'll find a spot for you some where.

    Do you think if she'd won the party would have taken her off the ticket for her born again immigrant views? Leo canvassed with her.


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    blanch152
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Now I'm baffled.

    Likely she got dropped because she lost.
    She thinks it's because of her views.
    It's likely a mix. If you are favoured they'll find a spot for you some where.

    Do you think if she'd one the party would have taken her off the ticket for her born again immigrant views? Leo canvassed with her.

    That is an oxymoron. She couldn't win because of her views, therefore she lost, therefore FG couldn't take her off the general election ticket if she had won with those views because she didn't win with those views.

    It is a bit like me saying to you, if you let me walk to Australia in these brand new shoes, you can have these brand new shoes. It can never happen, because if I walk to Australia in them, they are no longer brand new shoes.


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    #660
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    That is an oxymoron. She couldn't win because of her views, therefore she lost, therefore FG couldn't take her off the general election ticket if she had won with those views because she didn't win with those views.

    It is a bit like me saying to you, if you let me walk to Australia in these brand new shoes, you can have these brand new shoes. It can never happen, because if I walk to Australia in them, they are no longer brand new shoes.

    She lost because of her views. It wasn't a horse running, it was her and her views. You can't separate one from the other.
    Any way, she reckons she got taken off because of her views.

    I'd say Leo was annoyed with her over the video but reckoned he was backing a winner.


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    #661
    Larbre34
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    If she runs in Wexford as an Independent in the GE, she WILL get elected.

    The Mick Wallace vote has no home still, and it wasn't because he was a champagne socialist that he got elected, it was because he was anti-establishment. It doesn't matter what side of anti-establishment, so long as someone is sticking it to FFG, thats the Wexico way.


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