All's not well in FG.

Mortelaro · 02-12-2019 1:01pm

golfball37 wrote: »

Paddy is a fool if he swallows that. Frances Fitzgeralds removal was the right thing to do for incompetence alone, let alone Murphy. FF have ducked these issues and Brexit has nothing to do with it.

Paddy is no fool
Changing a government before clarity on Brexit would be foolish

KWAG2019 · 02-12-2019 1:09pm

FG are an absolute disgrace. The list of crises is an outrage and the party is a party of landlords and west Brits. The Minister for Justice is on the record for saying RIC/DMP killed in the War of Independence were “murdered” while they put a picture of Collins in Varadkar’s office. Young FG are hard right loons. How they got 3000-4000 first preferences in bye elections is beyond me but it tells you why they are the way they are. 25 years in opposition might clear their unionist heads.

Mortelaro · 02-12-2019 1:16pm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

FG are an absolute disgrace. The list of crises is an outrage and the party is a party of landlords and west Brits. The Minister for Justice is on the record for saying RIC/DMP killed in the War of Independence were “murdered” while they put a picture of Collins in Varadkar’s office. Young FG are hard right loons. How they got 3000-4000 first preferences in bye elections is beyond me but it tells you why they are the way they are. 25 years in opposition might clear their unionist heads.

I think I've given the appropriate reply

KWAG2019 · 02-12-2019 1:22pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think I've given the appropriate reply

About as good as an FG supporter can manage.

10000maniacs · 02-12-2019 1:24pm

The tipping point for me with FG was minimum pricing for alcohol. It was in their 2010 manifesto to introduce this to save the Irish pub. But when it was voted upon this year it was all about health. Hyperbole and waffle. Why should non alcoholics be forced to pay double for a can of beer?

Mortelaro · 02-12-2019 1:26pm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

About as good as an FG supporter can manage.

Well I'd disagree with that
I'd say consistent with the percentage of people in Ireland sharing your hard left wing Republican socialist view
Laughter is only at the thought anyone thinks otherwise

Eric Cartman · 02-12-2019 1:26pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

The tipping point for me with FG was minimum pricing for alcohol. It was in their 2010 manifesto to introduce this to save the Irish pub. But when it was voted upon this year it was all about health. Hyperbole and waffle. Why should non alcoholics be forced to pay double for a can of beer?

When you have an issue and the ‘solution’ is to up the price of it to stop people doing it its a giant dog whistle that says ‘were well aware that this problem isnt with the middle or upper classes’ FG know that our drink problem lies firmly within poorer households but wouldnrather punish us all than tackle the elephant in the room of people mis spending welfare and costing the HSE more in the process.

KWAG2019 · 02-12-2019 1:31pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well I'd disagree with that
I'd say consistent with the percentage of people in Ireland sharing your hard left wing Republican socialist view
Laughter is only at the thought anyone thinks otherwise

Hard left? No evidence of same in my post. Just an FG knee jerk reaction through the list of hard right reactions available. Socialist? No evidence. As above.

Republican ? Definitely. As are most people in the Republic. It’s only a dirty word to unionists/west Brits. And there are more sorts of Republican than you imagine.

Mortelaro · 02-12-2019 1:36pm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Hard left? No evidence of same in my post. Just an FG knee jerk reaction through the list of hard right reactions available. Socialist? No evidence. As above.

Republican ? Definitely. As are most people in the Republic. It’s only a dirty word to unionists/west Brits. And there are more sorts of Republican than you imagine.

It's your language and tone that gives it away
You're entitled to be a Republican socialist
I respect that
I was just pointing out how tiny a minority that is
I'm a Republican too by the way yes.
Just not a Republican socialist

storker · 02-12-2019 1:37pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yet if they did nothing the rent a mob would be complaining about no childrens hospital for de childer, joe.

False dichotomy. I'm pretty sure that between...

Don't bother with a children's hospital
Build a children's hospital that takes forever and involves eye-watering budget overruns

...there are some other options.

KWAG2019 · 02-12-2019 1:40pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

It's your language and tone that gives it away
You're entitled to be a Republican socialist
I respect that
I was just pointing out how tiny a minority that is
I'm a Republican too by the way yes.
Just not a Republican socialist

No evidence other than prejudice. No Republican can support FG. That myth is well buried by now. Your tone is Trumpism. “Socialism” is a dirty word to that type. FG are facing a hiding at the GE. well overdue and richly deserved.

ELM327 · 02-12-2019 1:42pm

storker wrote: »

False dichotomy. I'm pretty sure that between...
Don't bother with a children's hospital

Build a children's hospital that takes forever and involves eye-watering budget overruns

...there are some other options.

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?
When will the rent a mob be happy?

Plumbthedepths · 02-12-2019 1:42pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?
When will the rent a mob be happy?

Honest question who is this rent a mob you have referred to twice?

marieholmfan · 02-12-2019 1:43pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I can't see him as Taoiseach. He was around Bertie's cabinet. People won't vote him back.

I will be voting FG (as I have done since 2011) as there is no other credible option.

Have you considered voting People Before Profit?

ELM327 · 02-12-2019 1:46pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Have you considered voting People Before Profit?

Considering they are leftist loons and I'm in favour of sensible management of finances, no.

storker · 02-12-2019 1:46pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?
When will the rent a mob be happy?

???

ELM327 · 02-12-2019 1:47pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Honest question who is this rent a mob you have referred to twice?

This might help you

Mortelaro · 02-12-2019 1:47pm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

No evidence other than prejudice. No Republican can support FG. That myth is well buried by now. Your tone is Trumpism. “Socialism” is a dirty word to that type. FG are facing a hiding at the GE. well overdue and richly deserved.

I refer you back to my point a few posts back regarding my laughter

More power to you for holding those intense positions
Actually scratch that,I wouldn't give more power to ya

Fair play to you instead

Eric Cartman · 02-12-2019 1:48pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?
When will the rent a mob be happy?

Only when they get everything for free and Those who have professional careers are all taxed to death.

ELM327 · 02-12-2019 1:49pm

storker wrote: »

???

Well known reference.

Plumbthedepths · 02-12-2019 1:51pm

ELM327 wrote: »

This might help you

I thought you could explain since you used the descriptor twice. I can just assume by your answer you have no idea either just a term you like the sound of.

ELM327 · 02-12-2019 1:52pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I thought you could explain since you used the descriptor twice. I can just assume by your answer you have no idea either just a term you like the sound of.

What does explain mean?
What does descriptor mean?

I can just assume by your answer you have no idea either just a term you like the sound of.

Do you people need to be spoonfed?

Plumbthedepths · 02-12-2019 1:55pm

ELM327 wrote: »

What does explain mean?
What does descriptor mean?

I can just assume by your answer you have no idea either just a term you like the sound of.

Do you people need to be spoonfed?

So you have no intention of explaining whom you are referring to when you use the term 'rent a mob'.
Actually can one rent a mob ? Where would you find their services advertised?

Plumbthedepths · 02-12-2019 1:58pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Do you people need to be spoonfed?

You people?

Richard Hillman · 02-12-2019 1:58pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

To which Martin can answer Brexit wouldn't allow us
So No,you're wrong on that

They've had multiple extensions on which a general election could have taken place between that those. In fact we could have been in General Election mode right now, along with the UK.

If Boris Johnson doesn't get his majority, quess what? Another extention and more of the "National Interest" for poor aul Michael.

A strong leader would have pulled the plug before the 3 year deal, citing "We can't put up with this".

loyatemu · 02-12-2019 2:00pm

Not sure what's going to happen tomorrow with Murphy. I was willing to give him and FG the benefit of the doubt on housing as the problem is ultimately not of their creation, it's a hangover from the crash.

But they've had 3 years and there's still no sign of any vision or strategy to deal with the issue, and LV is getting complacent (witness his comment last week about property taxes making up for any shortage in corporate tax, like he'd been suddenly possessed by the spirit of McCreevey. Also his vacillating on Maria Bailey and Verona Murphy). Maybe it is time for an election.

zerosugarbuzz · 02-12-2019 2:11pm

Definitely time for an election. Leo should be in a boy band, he proves this time and time again along with his merry men Murphy and Paschal. All "style" and no substance with the back bone of a Jelly Fish.

woohoo!!! · 02-12-2019 2:12pm

Murphy is a clown too beholden to a right wing, don't upset land owners whatever you do, department of housing. But he's Varadkars man so leo will back him to the hilt.

A little trivia, what connects Murphy's grandfather and Gay Byrne?

10000maniacs · 02-12-2019 2:18pm

loyatemu wrote: »

Not sure what's going to happen tomorrow with Murphy. I was willing to give him and FG the benefit of the doubt on housing as the problem is ultimately not of their creation, it's a hangover from the crash.

But they've had 3 years and there's still no sign of any vision or strategy to deal with the issue, and LV is getting complacent (witness his comment last week about property taxes making up for any shortage in corporate tax, like he'd been suddenly possessed by the spirit of McCreevey. Also his vacillating on Maria Bailey and Verona Murphy). Maybe it is time for an election.

Most people want to live in the centre of Dublin. That is a commendable aspiration. But achieving that for free on the back of sacrifices of taxpaying people struggling to commute from Portlaoise, Wexford, Drogheda and Mullingar to work in Dublin should not even be contemplated and the fact that FG are contemplating solutions like this makes me so angry.

Plumbthedepths · 02-12-2019 2:21pm

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/john-downing-problems-for-varadkar-are-far-bigger-than-the-four-byelection-defeats-the-tide-has-now-turned-38743833.html

Indo really seems to have it in for Leo. Some time on the opposition benches may bring back some much needed humility for Leo and the lads. I suspect however Leo has his sights set further afield.

All's not well in FG.

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