FG's desperate scramble to maintain power

Idbatterim

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You live in one of the safest, most prosperous, and equitable countries on the planet. Billions of people
can only dream of the opportunities you’ve been given in life.

The country is facing many of the same issues that mature democracies are now starting to face.

You’d think we lived in a tinpot dictatorship the way some of you go on about the place.

yes I would say I live in somewhere that isnt far off a tinpot dictatorship! IMF involvement up to fairly recently? yes. State requiring a bailout? yes. Boil water notices in Dublin recently? yes. boil notices common nationwide? yes. Raw sewage still being discharged into the sea and rivers? (in the year 2019) yes. A third world transport system for Dublin? yes. Appalling health care system ? yes. Absolutely no accountability? YES... Law and order a farce and insult to the name? Yes. See where I am going with this...

Look at least they procured a shiny new printer with utmost competence recently, they can print their state propaganda on that! Goebells would have played second fiddle to FG , Lieo and their propaganda department!

Idbatterim

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

That's true, in DCC they've repeatedly lowered the amount of funding received through LPT by offering the maximum 15% discount, and then they complain about not having enough funding.

yes the councils should have never been given this discretion, in fact the councils are the worst form of government we have here!

Spanish Eyes

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

KWAG2019

Absolutely sick of the “we can’t do anything about this” whinging of FG who expect to be returned to power. The next shower in need to get a message: your jobs arent secure lads. Deliver or gtfo.

Fr_Dougal

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

FF won’t get into bed with SF.

Spanish Eyes

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FF won’t get into bed with SF.

I understand there is animosity there, but the sniff of power will peel away anything, on both sides.

ELM327

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Meanwhile FG hopped in to bed with, and partner running the place with a party who actually have bankrupt the country.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

That's interesting, our country was not bankrupted. We are now one of the better performing economies in Europe - where IT/DE etc are teetering on the brink of recession.

ELM327

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I understand there is animosity there, but the sniff of power will peel away anything, on both sides.

It hasnt happened in 90 years and won't happen now either

suicide_circus

Floppybits wrote: »

Lets face facts both FG and FF don't a flying F**k about the country or its people. All they are concerned about is whose turn is it to drive the gravy train so that they can line their pockets.

this is true but lets take the minister for health as an example - what the f*ck are they meant to do?

increase taxes to pay for health - public protests - staff unions demand that the new revenues be used to give them pay rises - strikes galore

tackle the admin and middle management bloat in the HSE - strikes galore - discontent

jack up corporate tax rates to pay for the HSE - FDAs start leaving - panic - job losses - protests - strikes galore

dismantle the HSE - redundancies you say? strike strike strike!!

ThunbergsAreGo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

With who?

KWAG2019

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

With who?

The FG election strategy. They can’t vote for anyone else no matter how badly we treat them. FG need a serious electoral kicking.

McMurphy

ELM327 wrote: »

That's interesting, our country was not bankrupted. We are now one of the better performing economies in Europe - where IT/DE etc are teetering on the brink of recession.

Interesting.

Are you aware that you pledged to give your votes to people who tell lies so?

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said that Fine Gael would have to “expose Fianna F for what they are”, telling his TDs that the main Opposition party would “bankrupt the country, as they have done in the past”.

link

I'm sure if I could be bothered I'd find you more examples of FG leaders and ministers telling us FF bankrupt the country.

Eating out of bins etc.

James Brown

ELM327 wrote: »

This is a stupid motion, stupidly timed at least.
No one wants an election now.

Working people who can't afford rent may differ.

The problem with the 'politics is a game' minded is it doesn't take real life situations and crises into account. Case in point, nearly a decade of worsening record breaking housing, homeless crisis and calling out government on it is politically 'inconvenient'.

Thinkingaboutit

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Interesting.

Are you aware that you pledged to give your votes to people who tell lies so?



link

I'm sure if I could be bothered I'd find you more examples of FG leaders and ministers telling us FF bankrupt the country.

Eating out of bins etc.

At least with the insurance / claims shenanigans FG are showing they can win the corruption arms race with FF. Awesome really :pac:

blanch152

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

Pretty much, this is how I see it. If FG lose seats, their leader (Varadkar or whoever) will quite rightly say that the message from the electorate after two successive drops in seats is that they shouldn't participate in government and that the other parties should form a coalition or confidence and supply arrangement.

If FG gain seats, that plus the increased Green support should give them a decent shout of forming a coalition.

Auguste Comte

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FF won’t get into bed with SF.

They'd sell their granny for a sniff of some state owned Mercedes leather and a go in the government jet.

blanch152

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FF won’t get into bed with SF.

Micheal Martin won't get into bed with Sinn Fein, but that is a removable obstacle. FF will, in a heartbeat.

ELM327

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Interesting.

Are you aware that you pledged to give your votes to people who tell lies so?



link

I'm sure if I could be bothered I'd find you more examples of FG leaders and ministers telling us FF bankrupt the country.

Eating out of bins etc.

That's a soundbite.
And with the levels of our welfare state, no one needs to eat out of bins. Certainly not without mental issues or addiction issues

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Working people who can't afford rent may differ.

The problem with the 'politics is a game' minded is it doesn't take real life situations and crises into account. Case in point, nearly a decade of worsening record breaking housing, homeless crisis and calling out government on it is politically 'inconvenient'.

We don't have a homeless crisis, we have a forever home crisis. People in emergency accomodation or hotels are not homeless, they have a roof over their head for free. Homeless means living on the street,


I do take your point that rent is high but that is down to poor government policy by interfering within the rental market. This was a cross party agreed issue though, even the lefties agreed.

blanch152 wrote: »

Micheal Martin won't get into bed with Sinn Fein, but that is a removable obstacle. FF will, in a heartbeat.

Care to place a wager? For charity
SF not in government after next election. What are you betting? Let's say 10 quid for SVP?

Billcarson

Care to place a wager? For charity
SF not in government after next election. What are you betting? Let's say 10 quid for SVP?[/quote]

Well I will be voting for sf anyway if that's any help. Lol. Anything to break the cycle of ff/ fg. It may be a risk voting for sf but to hell with ff/fg I'd rather hang myself then vote for those scumbag bastards with their century of failure.

James Brown

ELM327 wrote: »

That's a soundbite.
And with the levels of our welfare state, no one needs to eat out of bins. Certainly not without mental issues or addiction issues


We don't have a homeless crisis, we have a forever home crisis. People in emergency accomodation or hotels are not homeless, they have a roof over their head for free. Homeless means living on the street,


I do take your point that rent is high but that is down to poor government policy by interfering within the rental market. This was a cross party agreed issue though, even the lefties agreed.



Care to place a wager? For charity
SF not in government after next election. What are you betting? Let's say 10 quid for SVP?

If you don't accept reality I can't help you here. Even Leo and baby with a beard Murphy have conceded there is a crisis. How dare you bring the genuine needs of working tax payers down to the dismissive sound bite of 'forever home'. It's disgusting quite frankly.
You are confusing the housing crisis with the homeless crisis, also rough sleepers and people in hotels or hostels, same issue.

It'll be FF with jnr. FG, two disgusting excuses for public representation.

Plumbthedepths

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/i-cant-think-of-a-better-reason-to-force-a-general-election-than-the-4000-homeless-children-newly-elected-td-38749959.html
New TD putting the interests of 4,000 homeless children ahead of his own, refreshing.

road_high

Fann Linn wrote: »

As opposed to Leo who prefers to '...look after those who get up early in the morning.' ROTFLMAO.

No difference at all between the two parties.

Leo should have done that and made work pay his absolutely priority and we’d have rewarded him. Instead he’s too flaky and wants to be all things to all men- end result he stands for nothing. The welfare layabout class are never going to vote FG ever so why reward them with Christmas bonuses? FG are utterly stupid. The economy is actually doing well so make it reward the people supporting it. To hell with the leeches

ThunbergsAreGo

road_high wrote: »

Leo should have done that and made work pay his absolutely priority and we’d have rewarded him. Instead he’s too flaky and wants to be all things to all men- end result he stands for nothing. The welfare layabout class are never going to vote FG ever so why reward them with Christmas bonuses? FG are utterly stupid. The economy is actually doing well so make it reward the people supporting it. To hell with the leeches

Yeah I was am FG voter and genuinely believed him when he said it but he has given workers a slap in the face.

He has zero substances or beliefs it seems

road_high

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yeah I was am FG voter and genuinely believed him when he said it but he has given workers a slap in the face.

He has zero substances or beliefs it seems

Yea I was the same- rewarding those who get up in the morning was like music to my ears. But what did we get? Almost negligible tax decreases and the hated USC still taking as much as ever out of my hard earned salary.
And what do they do then? Restore the full welfare “Christmas bonus” and also rose welfare payments. In addition to increased spending on direct provision which is going through the roof.
Absolutely no body representing the likes of us anymore

ThunbergsAreGo

road_high wrote: »

Yea I was the same- rewarding those who get up in the morning was like music to my ears. But what did we get? Almost negligible tax decreases and the hated USC still taking as much as ever out of my hard earned salary.
And what do they do then? Restore the full welfare “Christmas bonus” and also rose welfare payments. In addition to increased spending on direct provision which is going through the roof.
Absolutely no body representing the likes of us anymore

I have heard people argue he'd have collapsed the government of he tried to push any tax cuts through etc.

That may be true but he'd likely have been returned with a majority in the next election. He has been shown to have zero principles just soundbites. We might as well let an online poll make our decisions

jimmycrackcorm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

Those same people shoving about needing an election to replace the government are never the ones to offer any solutions. Just complaints like this.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/i-cant-think-of-a-better-reason-to-force-a-general-election-than-the-4000-homeless-children-newly-elected-td-38749959.html
New TD putting the interests of 4,000 homeless children ahead of his own, refreshing.

And, what exactly will an election do for the “homeless” overnight? Magic up more homes just by waving a magic wand?

road_high

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Those same people shoving about needing an election to replace the government are never the ones to offer any solutions. Just complaints like this.

Fish wives like Brid Smyth and Mary lou thingy would crap themselves if they were handed actual Housing and Health ministries in the morning- but perhaps it’s high time they were? I’m sick listening to them- if you can do any better then why don’t you?

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And, what exactly will an election do for the “homeless” overnight? Magic up more homes just by waving a magic wand?

When you drop the sarcastic manner when responding I may consider a response to you. Manners cost nothing.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When you drop the sarcastic manner when responding I may consider a response to you. Manners cost nothing.

Ok. What WOULD an election do for the homeless this side of Easter?

171170

Well I will be voting for sf anyway if that's any help. Lol. Anything to break the cycle of ff/ fg. It may be a risk voting for sf but to hell with ff/fg I'd rather hang myself then vote for those scumbag bastards with their century of failure.

So effectively you'll be voting for the next FG or FF coalition government partners! Clever chap.

171170

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok. What WOULD an election do for the homeless this side of Easter?

Well, some of the lucky ones might get their hands on election posters to shelter under.

171170

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/i-cant-think-of-a-better-reason-to-force-a-general-election-than-the-4000-homeless-children-newly-elected-td-38749959.html
New TD putting the interests of 4,000 homeless children ahead of his own, refreshing.

I wrote elsewhere that this Green clown's posturing would impress the feeble-minded.

So thanks for validating that opinion!

171170

171170 wrote: »

Well, some of the lucky ones might get their hands on election posters to shelter under.

Imagine if all the money spent on election posters was used to buy or build a few houses instead! That’d be a better use of money.

Plumbthedepths

171170 wrote: »

I wrote elsewhere that this Green clown's posturing would impress the feeble-minded.

So thanks for validating that opinion!

Actually sad that you seek to have your opinion validated by making a personal swipe at others. Carry on though if it makes you feel good.

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ok. What WOULD an election do for the homeless this side of Easter?

Change of ideology for a start. The rebuilding Ireland plan is not working.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Change of ideology for a start. The rebuilding Ireland plan is not working.

Care to share your ideas?

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Care to share your ideas?

If I felt your question was genuine I would but your behaviour and way of engaging betrays you.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If I felt your question was genuine I would but your behaviour and way of engaging betrays you.

So, no solution other than blame the Government.

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Change of ideology for a start. The rebuilding Ireland plan is not working.

Rebuilding Ireland is only halfway through.

Most houses built this year since 2008.

Do you people with all the answers expect everyone who wants a house to have one overnight?

Where will it end?

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, no solution other than blame the Government.

My reply was in clear language. Maybe read it again instead of misrepresentation of what I said.

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Rebuilding Ireland is only halfway through.

Most houses built this year since 2008.

Do you people with all the answers expect everyone who wants a house to have one overnight?

Where will it end?

Hi new poster, who are 'you people'?

Jinglejangle69

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hi new poster, who are 'you people'?

Hi there.

You.

As in the sentence you people.

171170

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually sad that you seek to have your opinion validated by making a personal swipe at others. Carry on though if it makes you feel good.

I intend to. Naturally, I'd much rather debate the topic with intelligent people, but unfortunately that isn't often possible on Boards.ie.

Idbatterim

Fg performance has been so bad, they have actually made FF electable again! I mean, is this some weird nightmare I am in, or is this reality?

Idbatterim

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Those same people shoving about needing an election to replace the government are never the ones to offer any solutions. Just complaints like this.

solutions to which issue?

Plumbthedepths

171170 wrote: »

I intend to. Naturally, I'd much rather debate the topic with intelligent people, but unfortunately that isn't often possible on Boards.ie.

Ah so you feel as a great intellectual you are wasted here, which begs an obvious question.

Idbatterim

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Rebuilding Ireland is only halfway through.

Most houses built this year since 2008.

Do you people with all the answers expect everyone who wants a house to have one overnight?

Where will it end?

Ill tell you what Jingle, if they are giving away luxury apartments, to some lucky tax payers and layabouts. Ill tell you where I want it to end, affordable housing for all! This current situation is depraved, those paying for it all ripped off! FG trying to turn many of us into a nation of lifelong serfs, to their vulture fund etc masters. They have created an epic cluster**** and I cant wait to see where it all ends. With the model they want to use for housing, we now have three blacks holes, housing, health and take a read about the upcoming pension timebomb! If the politicians only think in five years cycles, or less, no wonder the place is fcuked!

they dont get a single vote from the welfare warriors, yet wont take any action. But theyll have the taxpayers they lied about representing, emigrating, massive commutes, living in garages etc!

Jinglejangle69

Idbatterim wrote: »

Fg performance has been so bad, they have actually made FF electable again! I mean, is this some weird nightmare I am in, or is this reality?

People just hate having to live within their means.

So FF will sort everyone’s overindulgence urges for them, hot tubs, ski holidays, foreign apartments, you name it.

Then we crash again.

And around we go.

Spoiled as a nation.

Idbatterim

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

People just hate having to live within their means.

So FF will sort everyone’s overindulgence urges, hot tubs, ski holidays, foreign apartments, you name it.

Then we crash again.

And around we go.

Spoiled as a nation.

you know what? if the **** hits the fan again, might give the chance for some working taxpayers to not be ripped off on housing again for a while! Unlikely scenario, but say **** hits the fan again and there was a nama part 2, lets see the government via nama to try and sell of the stuff here for nothing again! LOL! they had their once in a generation chance to transfer huge wealth to their overlords and they took it. Id like to see that scenario pan out again. Of course I probably sound like some left wing loon! Nah, Ive run a company for over a decade... But I know lowlife scum when I see them and FG certainly fit the bill and this thread is about FG...