FG's desperate scramble to maintain power

03-12-2019 11:25am

Idbatterim wrote: »

But it is solveable. Just changed the rules. Turn off the money taps ! Let these scum live with ten plus people in their council houses , like in the fifties , sixties etc. three generations under one roof ...

Any government who did that would be lambasted.
The yellow vests / water charge protesters brigade would be out in force again, hence why what you propose wouldn't work. I agree with you though.......... the money taps should be turned off in some sinks, no doubt.

At a high level what's seen as government inaction is a discrete step in the "right" direction (no pun intended) but the left are very noisy even now.

KWAG2019 · 03-12-2019 11:28am

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

splinter65 · 03-12-2019 11:34am

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

What do the party you intend to vote for in the next GE say they are going to do about any of these issues, and how do they intend to finance these plans, and what proven record do they have of fulfilling election promises?

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 11:35am

Ff could have pulled the plug. But when fg are doing such a sitt job and It benefits ff to wait , as they can win more seats , why would they pull support ?

Augeo in the Uk they decimated their welfare state. Of course it can be done. But not by spineless rats and that is an issue here. They are all spineless rats !

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 11:38am

As an ex fg voter. They have served up a pisstake. I’ll take my Chances ...

Ff Turn on the merry go round !

03-12-2019 11:40am

Idbatterim wrote: »

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Augeo in the Uk they decimated their welfare state. ...........

They've plenty high rise social housing though to be fair........ actual payments are low but they don't have the same proportion of "homeless" in emergency accommodation etc.
The housing list in parts of London is shorter (in years) then Dublin.

jimmycrackcorm · 03-12-2019 11:41am

Floppybits wrote: »

Who says no one wants an election? I can understand FG don't want an election and FF the same but there are a lot of people who do want an election.

The very people who went am election are the ones who will demand another six months after a new government when they see that the housing and health crises are still the same.

03-12-2019 11:43am

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election..................

Housing ladder as in buying one or housing ladder as in "house next to me ma"?

I work with loads of folk who can't afford to buy currently but they aren't looking for an election.

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 12:05pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The very people who went am election are the ones who will demand another six months after a new government when they see that the housing and health crises are still the same.

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

ELM327 · 03-12-2019 12:08pm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

People with families who can’t get on the housing ladder want an election. People sick of the state of the HSE and angered by the photo of that poor woman in A &E want an election. People horrified by the incompetence in the Children’s Hospital saga want an election. Those who don’t want an election? Fine Gael. “Bring it on Bruton” and the west Brits have no idea of the contempt out there for FG. A lot of people have stayed with FG simply because they can’t see an alternative: when they do FG are toast

Who is the credible alternative that these soundbites people can vote for?

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 12:17pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Who is the credible alternative that these soundbites people can vote for?

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

Fr_Dougal · 03-12-2019 12:22pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 12:25pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

ELM327 · 03-12-2019 12:28pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could try sf. Honestly fg are taking the piss. Many speculate sf would be useless. Only one way to find out. Could they be any more useless than a century of ffg?

SF would bankrupt the country.
Socialist nincompoops would rid of us FDI (500k jobs) by upping CT and by taking the Apple money.
Not to mention probably upping the marginal tax rate to penalise work.

I'm not willing to risk our country giving SF a chance. Far too much on the loony left side

JohnnyFlash · 03-12-2019 12:28pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

You live in one of the safest, most prosperous, and equitable countries on the planet. Billions of people
can only dream of the opportunities you’ve been given in life.

The country is facing many of the same issues that mature democracies are now starting to face.

You’d think we lived in a tinpot dictatorship the way some of you go on about the place.

ELM327 · 03-12-2019 12:29pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Well if no party here is capable of running the country, maybe we need the imf back in again ...

IMF or direct rule from Germany on fiscal issues would be a heck of a lot better (notionally, ignoring my republican stance and national freedom for a sec to explore this thought) than any of the current parties we have.

McMurphy · 03-12-2019 1:41pm

ELM327 wrote: »

SF would bankrupt the country.
Socialist nincompoops would rid of us FDI (500k jobs) by upping CT and by taking the Apple money.
Not to mention probably upping the marginal tax rate to penalise work.

I'm not willing to risk our country giving SF a chance. Far too much on the loony left side

Meanwhile FG hopped in to bed with, and partner running the place with a party who actually have bankrupt the country.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

is_that_so · 03-12-2019 1:44pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not after six months. But after nine years and a booming economy , enough is enough. Or rather , nothing isn’t enough...

Well, voters had a chance just under 4 years ago and look how that worked out - stalemate and deal making.

Salary Negotiator · 03-12-2019 1:45pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

SF? They would ruin the country in 12 months.

Regarding the ‘homeless crisis’, SF are well represented on the council’s, they’ve done nothing to fix the situation.

That's true, in DCC they've repeatedly lowered the amount of funding received through LPT by offering the maximum 15% discount, and then they complain about not having enough funding.

Tony EH · 03-12-2019 1:46pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Daily ? The second thread I have started since opening this account. lol. You upset?

You made his politics cry.

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 2:09pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You live in one of the safest, most prosperous, and equitable countries on the planet. Billions of people
can only dream of the opportunities you’ve been given in life.

The country is facing many of the same issues that mature democracies are now starting to face.

You’d think we lived in a tinpot dictatorship the way some of you go on about the place.

yes I would say I live in somewhere that isnt far off a tinpot dictatorship! IMF involvement up to fairly recently? yes. State requiring a bailout? yes. Boil water notices in Dublin recently? yes. boil notices common nationwide? yes. Raw sewage still being discharged into the sea and rivers? (in the year 2019) yes. A third world transport system for Dublin? yes. Appalling health care system ? yes. Absolutely no accountability? YES... Law and order a farce and insult to the name? Yes. See where I am going with this...

Look at least they procured a shiny new printer with utmost competence recently, they can print their state propaganda on that! Goebells would have played second fiddle to FG , Lieo and their propaganda department!

Idbatterim · 03-12-2019 2:10pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

That's true, in DCC they've repeatedly lowered the amount of funding received through LPT by offering the maximum 15% discount, and then they complain about not having enough funding.

yes the councils should have never been given this discretion, in fact the councils are the worst form of government we have here!

Spanish Eyes · 03-12-2019 2:17pm

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

KWAG2019 · 03-12-2019 2:19pm

Absolutely sick of the “we can’t do anything about this” whinging of FG who expect to be returned to power. The next shower in need to get a message: your jobs arent secure lads. Deliver or gtfo.

Fr_Dougal · 03-12-2019 3:02pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

FF won’t get into bed with SF.

Spanish Eyes · 03-12-2019 3:07pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

FF won’t get into bed with SF.

I understand there is animosity there, but the sniff of power will peel away anything, on both sides.

ELM327 · 03-12-2019 3:10pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Meanwhile FG hopped in to bed with, and partner running the place with a party who actually have bankrupt the country.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

That's interesting, our country was not bankrupted. We are now one of the better performing economies in Europe - where IT/DE etc are teetering on the brink of recession.

ELM327 · 03-12-2019 3:11pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I understand there is animosity there, but the sniff of power will peel away anything, on both sides.

It hasnt happened in 90 years and won't happen now either

suicide_circus · 03-12-2019 3:19pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Lets face facts both FG and FF don't a flying F**k about the country or its people. All they are concerned about is whose turn is it to drive the gravy train so that they can line their pockets.

this is true but lets take the minister for health as an example - what the f*ck are they meant to do?

increase taxes to pay for health - public protests - staff unions demand that the new revenues be used to give them pay rises - strikes galore

tackle the admin and middle management bloat in the HSE - strikes galore - discontent

jack up corporate tax rates to pay for the HSE - FDAs start leaving - panic - job losses - protests - strikes galore

dismantle the HSE - redundancies you say? strike strike strike!!

ThunbergsAreGo · 03-12-2019 3:22pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

My prediction..... General Election after Easter next year.

Either FF/Green/SF coalition or FG/Green/Indo coalition.

FG are coasting at the moment and they know it, as they have the back of FF in a pinch.

I'd prefer a coalition than a C+S. But we shall see. One thing is for sure, FG is NOT keeping an eye out for one its core vote cohorts, the so called squeezed middle who pay for everyone else's lifestyles. They will bite back.

With who?

FG's desperate scramble to maintain power

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