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Eoin Murphy no confidence vote

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    #152
    171170
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »

    No. That's spin. That's complete bullsh*t.

    As I wrote above, it's from Chapter 1 of the Ladybird Book of the Bleeding Obvious.

    In case you are numerically challenged, the symbol = means is equal to.


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    #153
    bfa1509
    Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I don't get this social housing thing. Are we looking for a state that provides an almost house to everyone who decides to have kids and not work, or is on low wages? Are they then considered homeless if they don't have a long term fixed address? What if they have loads of kids and they demand the same? How does this work in other rich countries?
    Also what's stopping the Gov from building block after block of flats for people who would struggle to get on the property market? They'd have to CPO a lot of land, but so be it. If they can invest 5 billion in broadband why can't they do this?

    I can imagine in 10 years time all the people working their @sses off will be crammed like sardines in ballymun style flats while all the nice new terraced and semi-ds will be reserved for social housing.

    There'd be no time for anti-social activity in a ballymun flat if the occupants are worked to death.


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    #154
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Obviously my point about silly interpretations hit home hard, but there was no need to double down on the silly personal digs.

    Voting for a party doesn’t mean you have to agree with every policy or everything that every one of their reps does.

    If you guys weren’t so blinded by hatred of all things FG, you might be able to take a balanced view, though that is said more in hope than in confidence.

    Nothing personal at all, you have on numerous occasions recounted your support for the Greens but defend FG at every opportunity. Keep up the pretence if it makes you happy.


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    #155
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Yea, nothing worse than a feckin nimby.

    .

    I agree.

    As I said all parties are at it yet one gets blamed.

    Why are you indulging in whataboutery?

    My point is about the SDs bringing this motion yet object to housing developments themselves.


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    #156
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Even if Eoghan Murphy wins this vote 2020 doesn’t seem to be any easier ... potentially much worse.

    Homelessness, housing shortages and potentially major industrial relations upheaval with water staff.

    He is way out of his depth.


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    #157
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    the thing is, as they have no strategy or wish to change anything. And wont take control of their own destiny, they are just leaving it to chance. Varadkar probably has the rosary beads out now. How bad do you have to be, having had NINE YEARS In power, A BOOM for the past few years and your performance has been so ****, that FF, FF will probably surpass your seat count, with a booming economy! FG have taken the piss to an epic degree!

    The 'arrogance of power'. I haven't seen a FG government in my lifetime that didn't suffer from it.


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    #158
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The 'arrogance of power'. I haven't seen a FG government in my lifetime that didn't suffer from it.

    You still not a Sinn Féin voter Francie? :)


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    #159
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I agree.

    As I said all parties are at it yet one gets blamed.

    Why are you indulging in whataboutery?

    My point is about the SDs bringing this motion yet object to housing developments themselves.


    Are you not perhaps missing the point that a FG minister`s guidelines on high rise accommodation were opposed as out of date by his own party leader and Taoiseach on a NIMBY


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    #160
    charlie14
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    irishfeen wrote: »
    Even if Eoghan Murphy wins this vote 2020 doesn’t seem to be any easier ... potentially much worse.

    Homelessness, housing shortages and potentially major industrial relations upheaval with water staff.

    He is way out of his depth.


    He has been for quite a long time yet Varadkar has left him there leaking FG votes nationally. Dumb, arrogance or clueless it is difficult to know which


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    #161
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    charlie14 wrote: »
    He has been for quite a long time yet Varadkar has left him there leaking FG votes nationally. Dumb.

    Not helped by his rather lofty demeanour. He comes across as not caring and bristling with anger because he is being questioned = arrogance.


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    #162
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not helped by his rather lofty demeanour. He comes across as not caring and bristling with anger because he is being questioned = arrogance.

    I seen these placards earlier outside Leinster House slating the posh boys and how they are uncaring etc.

    Imagine we had placards about the welfare boys.

    The media would explode.


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    #163
    charlie14
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not helped by his rather lofty demeanour. He comes across as not caring and bristling with anger because he is being questioned = arrogance.


    Murphy clearly comes across as arrogant. I cannot figure if Varadkar hasn`t got shot of him because Varadkar is dumb, arrogant or clueless as to the harm he is causing FG.
    It would not surprise me that with the grief three Murphy`s have given in a the last few days, FG pass a motion of no more Murphy`s allowed.:)


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    #164
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I seen these placards earlier outside Leinster House slating the posh boys and how they are uncaring etc.

    Imagine we had placards about the welfare boys.

    The media would explode.


    If we had it would not be the posh boys holding them.

    I imagine they would be straight on to the local welfare office demanding they send someone collecting welfare around to carry them.


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    #165
    FrancieBrady
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    Murphy clearly comes across as arrogant. I cannot figure if Varadkar hasn`t got shot of him because Varadkar is dumb, arrogant or clueless as to the harm he is causing FG.
    It would not surprise me that with the grief three Murphy`s have given in a the last few days, FG pass a motion of no more Murphy`s allowed.:)

    Leo can hardly move against him now and will have him doing damage up to an election.
    Dithering costs them again, as it did with Verona.
    Focus will probably shift to dear (very dear :)) Dara now in the run up to the New Year. That is how it will go until the election...a hugely negative base on which to fight it.


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    #166
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    He was saved tonight....56 to 53 votes!
    35 abstentions!!!


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    #167
    is_that_so
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    He was saved tonight....56 to 53 votes!
    35 abstentions!!!
    Never really in doubt.


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    #168
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Never really in doubt.

    In fairness it was quite close! How can people be allowed to abstain from voting on such an important issue. Disgraceful


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    #169
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I seen these placards earlier outside Leinster House slating the posh boys and how they are uncaring etc.

    Imagine we had placards about the welfare boys.

    The media would explode.

    Reverse snobbery is ok, at all times it seems


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    #170
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    Not over yet. Is a manual vote anonymous?

    Could be interesting..


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    #171
    is_that_so
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    In fairness it was quite close!
    But never in doubt! Dail arithmetic is close these days anyway.


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    #172
    Thelonious Monk
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    It doesn't matter, another stooge of the system would just do the same stuff. I actually feel sorry for the guy because he's part of a failing system, anyone in the same boat would be the same.


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    #173
    is_that_so
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    riemann wrote: »
    Not over yet. Is a manual vote anonymous?

    Could be interesting..
    Why is it not over? All votes have been cast.


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    #174
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    riemann wrote: »
    Not over yet. Is a manual vote anonymous?

    Could be interesting..

    What does this mean ?


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    #175
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    riemann wrote: »
    Not over yet. Is a manual vote anonymous?

    Could be interesting..

    Calm down there chief, this isn’t some Brexit vote.


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    #176
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Why is it not over? All votes have been cast.

    They've proposed a walk through vote. (i've no idea what that means).


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    #177
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    riemann wrote: »
    They've proposed a walk through vote. (i've no idea what that means).
    That means no buttons!


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    #178
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,785 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    He was saved tonight....56 to 53 votes!
    35 abstentions!!!

    35, all Fianna Fail?
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #179
    Topgear on Dave
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Never really in doubt.

    Political correspondents can announce to the nation that there there was "high drama in Leinster House".

    And TDs all can can look forward to their christmas holidays in a few days. Nobody wants Murphys job anyways.


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    #180
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    35, all Fianna Fail?
    Yeah, they said they would.


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    #181
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    35, all Fianna Fail?


    Discounting the Ceann Comhairle it`s 49 not 35, so more than just Fianna Fail,


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