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Eoin Murphy no confidence vote

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    #182
    is_that_so
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Political correspondents can announce to the nation that there there was "high drama in Leinster House".

    And TDs all can can look forward to their christmas holidays in a few days. Nobody wants Murphys job anyways.
    Yeah, only about a dozen of them fancied the idea of a possible early election but others felt "morally obliged" to vote against the government as long as they knew it would fail.


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    #183
    charlie14
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    In fairness it was quite close! How can people be allowed to abstain from voting on such an important issue. Disgraceful


    It comes under the confidence and supply agreement with FF on FF abstaining I imagine


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    #184
    Jinglejangle69
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    It comes under the confidence and supply agreement with FF on FF abstaining I imagine

    Yet tomorrow will be ranting about the homeless and Eoghan Murphy.

    Jaysus FF are the worst bunch of hypocrites but people are too young to remember around here.


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    #185
    is_that_so
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yet tomorrow will be ranting about the homeless and Eoghan Murphy.

    Jaysus FF are the worst bunch of hypocrites but people are too young to remember around here.
    They may be but like FG & Labour they see the nuisance value of all of these so-called votes of no-confidence. If they decide to pull the plug to walk it will be clear why.


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    #186
    Sheepdish1
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    Will it be made available to see who voted for or against and who abstained from voting ?


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    #187
    is_that_so
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Will it be made available to see who voted for or against and who abstained from voting ?
    Not hard to guess at. Government members plus probably Lowry, Naughten and Grealish v SF and all the rest of the opposition. FF abstained en masse as part of the deal.


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    #188
    charlie14
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yet tomorrow will be ranting about the homeless and Eoghan Murphy.

    Jaysus FF are the worst bunch of hypocrites but people are too young to remember around here.


    The fact that there is a confidence and supply agreement does not mean FF cannot criticise the government.
    If the tables were turned FG would be doing the same.
    And rightly so imo if it was a crisis like the present homeless crisis that is just getting worse month on month..


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    #189
    meep
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Will it be made available to see who voted for or against and who abstained from voting ?

    Likely in much the same way as all other votes and detailed voting records are published;

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/votes/


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    #190
    charlie14
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not hard to guess at. Government members plus probably Mattie, Lowry, Naughten v SF and all the rest of the opposition. FF abstained en masse.


    Didn`t Mattie say he was voting against the government and for the motion because Varadkar gave him some guff today ?


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    #191
    is_that_so
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    Didn`t Mattie say he was voting against the government and for the motion because Varadkar gave him some guff today ?
    Yeah he seemed to have in the end as did Fitzpatrick.


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    #192
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    No. That's spin. That's complete bullsh*t.
    We never broke records year on year for such a long period and wouldn't continue to with a change in policy.

    I'm a Green supporter now?...*cough* up the blueshirts! That's it right? ;)

    Matt are you still here?

    You seem to vanish around 10 every night despite being so active on boards all day long??

    You must work night shifts and have no time to post here:)


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    #193
    Jinglejangle69
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    The fact that there is a confidence and supply agreement does not mean FF cannot criticise the government.
    If the tables were turned FG would be doing the same.
    And rightly so imo if it was a crisis like the present homeless crisis that is just getting worse month on month..

    Homeless as in Margaret Cash??


    Pffftt.


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    #194
    Diana Unimportant Pensioner
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    How did water charges get the country out in the streets, but the housing crisis hasn't?


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    #195
    Jinglejangle69
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How did water charges get the country out in the streets, but the housing crisis hasn't?

    Because people know they have it ok.


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    #196
    JP Liz V1
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not hard to guess at. Government members plus probably Lowry, Naughten and Grealish v SF and all the rest of the opposition. FF abstained en masse as part of the deal.

    Grealish for Murphy?
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #197
    charlie14
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Homeless as in Margaret Cash??


    Pffftt.


    Over 10,000 for the 9th consecutive month with nearly 4,000 of that 10,000 plus being children.


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    #198
    Topgear on Dave
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How did water charges get the country out in the streets, but the housing crisis hasn't?

    Similar reasons really I reckon. Money.

    Water charges: Government sends a bill to each house for water, thousands march to stop it.

    Similarly housing: Building social housing requires taxpayers to pony up a large pot of funding.

    Do you see large crowds taking to the streets to demand large amounts of taxation to build housing? Particularly when many have no problems with their housing?


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    #199
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    In fairness it was quite close! How can people be allowed to abstain from voting on such an important issue. Disgraceful

    Its neither disgraceful, nor that important an issue.
    It was simple opportunist politicking by the SDs, trying to make a bit of noise, raise their profile, and be seen to try to land a punch or other such cliché. Very childish stuff. And has nothing to do with housing, Murphy's performance, or contribution to the good good governance of the country. A minister is not important. That stable govt continue, without this type of petty sniping, is far more important. SDs coming out of this looking more like the cynical party squabblists from whom they claim to be different.


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    #200
    2ndcoming
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Similar reasons really I reckon. Money.

    Water charges: Government sends a bill to each house for water, thousands march to stop it.

    Similarly housing: Building social housing requires taxpayers to pony up a large pot of funding.

    Do you see large crowds taking to the streets to demand large amounts of taxation to build housing? Particularly when many have no problems with their housing?

    The greatest indictment of modern society in a nutshell right there. Mé Féiners galore.


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    #201
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Similar reasons really I reckon. Money.

    Water charges: Government sends a bill to each house for water, thousands march to stop it.

    Similarly housing: Building social housing requires taxpayers to pony up a large pot of funding.

    Do you see large crowds taking to the streets to demand large amounts of taxation to build housing? Particularly when many have no problems with their housing?

    The housing issue just doesnt affect enough people to prompt that kind of mass misguided revolt.


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    #202
    Idbatterim
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    These morons have opened Pandora’s box with their actions on housing. Get it free or pay a fortune and you can choose ! What’s going to happen ? Listsxwill just grow and grow and grow. They’ll always think they can worm their way late of things! Glad to see the sacrificial lamb saved tonight. I mean fg on housing are a disgrace, but Murphy is a powerless pawn


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    #203
    charlie14
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Similar reasons really I reckon. Money.

    Water charges: Government sends a bill to each house for water, thousands march to stop it.

    Similarly housing: Building social housing requires taxpayers to pony up a large pot of funding.

    Do you see large crowds taking to the streets to demand large amounts of taxation to build housing? Particularly when many have no problems with their housing?


    They may not march because of homeless figures, but that does not mean when it comes to voting it will not be a factor.
    That was actually what killed water metering in the end.


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    #204
    Idbatterim
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The housing issue just doesnt affect enough people to prompt that kind of mass misguided revolt.

    Yeah There are obviously reasons it hasn’t properly kicked off. It might though ...


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    #205
    Snow Garden
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    Murphy has the poison chalice ministry and is making a balls of it. He is woeful on the Tonight Show.


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    #206
    charlie14
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Murphy has the poison chalice ministry and is making a balls of it. He is woeful on the Tonight Show.


    He only shares that chalice with Harris with pretty much the same reason, but yeah he really was brutal on the Tonight Show.


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    #207
    Sheepdish1
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Similar reasons really I reckon. Money.

    Water charges: Government sends a bill to each house for water, thousands march to stop it.

    Similarly housing: Building social housing requires taxpayers to pony up a large pot of funding.

    Do you see large crowds taking to the streets to demand large amounts of taxation to build housing? Particularly when many have no problems with their housing?

    I feel that the government are trying to pitch people against people on social welfare but this is issue is so much bigger than that. There are so many reports on Margerat Cash and very few on ordinary people that this affects.

    It isn't just social housing that is the problem. People working are being massively affected by this crises. There are people up and down the country living back with their parents due to not being able to afford rent or purchase a house and at the same time cuckoo funds are buying up estates to rent out houses. Families can't compete with that.


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    #208
    Snow Garden
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    He only shares that chalice with Harris with pretty much the same reason, but yeah he really was brutal on the Tonight Show.

    Aragh Harris has already given up on Health. His only concern is blocking any bad press on the childrens hospital disaster before GE20.


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    #209
    Idbatterim
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    This just in !!! From free luxury accommodation to the worlds most expensive accommodation for expats. Welcome to the banana Republic of Ireland !

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-ranking-housing-worldwide-for-expats-4916195-Dec2019/


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    #210
    charlie14
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Aragh Harris has already given up on Health. His only concern is blocking any bad press on the childrens hospital disaster before GE20.


    Come GE20 I`m sure the runaway contract price will be well rehashed so he is only doing a King Canutewhere the tide has already come fully in on that one.
    A more immediate and damaging concern of voters will be the ever increasing record numbers of patients on trollies.


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    #211
    ChikiChiki
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    Over 10,000 for the 9th consecutive month with nearly 4,000 of that 10,000 plus being children.

    Its on a similar trajectory to the hospital trolley crisis. Getting worse by the year with FGFF at the wheel. Radical change is needed.


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