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Jessica Yaniv refused service at gynaecologist's office

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    #32
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users Posts: 45,974 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    I'm seeing it for exactly what it is. A disgusting person trying to get attention and a business closed down. Just like the beauty salons before, this gynaecologist is well within their rights to say no to treating a person with a cock and balls.

    Name the business they are trying to get closed down.

    I feel if they were really trying... you'd be able to name the place.


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    #33
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    so you aren't taking the case as is. Cool.

    Do you know about this guys history? His interest in young girls? Bullying poor women who won’t wax his balls


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    #34
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    and a quick google would back up Gynaecologists being a valid part of pre-and-post op transgender transformations. I thought it sensible to at least do a cursory review of some information on the need, as I have no prior knowledge. And it would be stupid, ignorant and hateful to just assume otherwise and jump in two footed with abuse. Unless you have research that would refute the need of Gynaecologists in such matters.

    I added more to my post. If a gynaecologist has no extra training to deal with transgender genital issues, and that’s probably a lot of gynaecologists, they may not feel qualified to treat the person. That’s sensible and I can’t see why it would be a problem. The doctor might be a bigot. I suspect they more likely didn’t think they had the qualifications.


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    #35
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users Posts: 45,974 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If the gynaecologist doesn’t believe that a man can become a woman then they don’t have to pretend that they do. The gynaecologist probably got into gynaecology because they were interested in female medicine.
    I don’t hate anyone. I don’t believe that a man can become a woman because it’s not biologically possible. That doesn’t make me hateful.

    So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.


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    #36
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    What business would a man have going to a gynecologists office out of interest ?


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    #37
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,585 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

    Would you go to a dentist or chiropractor to treat your cancer?


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    #38
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Name the business they are trying to get closed down.

    I feel if they were really trying... you'd be able to name the place.

    Give it time, they are getting complained today/tomorrow so will no doubt be named publicly. Can you tell me what pre-op gynaecological issues this person could have?

    My guess right now is that this is a female gyno, let's wait and see if that's what is going on.

    You're defending a predatory paedophile here.


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    #39
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users Posts: 45,974 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    Do you know about this guys history? His interest in young girls? Bullying poor women who won’t wax his balls

    nope. and i don't care.

    the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.

    Forget the possible need for a Gynaecologists - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and are just a publicity stunt.
    Forget that they were refered to a Gynaecologist - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and its just a publicity stunt.


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    #40
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users Posts: 45,974 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Give it time, they are getting complained today/tomorrow so will no doubt be named publicly. Can you tell me what pre-op gynaecological issues this person could have?

    My guess right now is that this is a female gyno, let's wait and see if that's what is going on.

    You're defending a predatory paedophile here.

    I'm giving out about the generalised hatred towards Transgender people and any need for Gynaecologist.


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    #41
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    nope. and i don't care.

    the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.

    Forget the possible need for a Gynaecologists - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and are just a publicity stunt.
    Forget that they were refered to a Gynaecologist - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and its just a publicity stunt.

    You’re telling other not to jerk their knees and yet you know nothing about Jessica Yaniv.


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    #42
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 11,014 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

    If they didn't feel competent to treat a particular kind of cancer then they absolutely should refuse.

    If they don't feel competent to treat this patient, and I'm sure lots of gynaecologists will have had no training at all with trans patients, then they are doing the correct thing by refusing.

    It's much more "shady" for a doctor to say, sure I'll have a crack at something I'm not confident with, what's the worst that could happen?

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    #43
    Guy:Incognito
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »

    the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.
    t.

    The hate is towards this specific person, who has form for this kind of crap with other businesses.


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    #44
    jammiedodgers
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    I'm not a gynaecologist but I know a cunt when I see one


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    #45
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    osarusan wrote: »
    I can understand a gynecologist consulting with the surgery team from the perspective of aesthetics or whatever, but this is a very specialist area which will need experts in the field of transitioning.

    I cannot think of any reason to visit a 'usual' gynecologist, other than to continue the tradition of sh!t-stirring and suing.

    Exactly.


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    #46
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So if my doctor didn't believe any form of cancer could be treated they could refuse to treat a cancer patient? Because of their personal beliefs. That seems like a shady area to be going down, and defending, in medical practice.

    “A man is not a woman” is not a “personal belief”.
    It’s a biological, scientific fact.
    You’re analogy is nonsense.


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    #47
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    If they didn't feel competent to treat a particular kind of cancer then they absolutely should refuse.

    If they don't feel competent to treat this patient, and I'm sure lots of gynaecologists will have had no training at all with trans patients, then they are doing the correct thing by refusing.

    It's much more "shady" for a doctor to say, sure I'll have a crack at something I'm not confident with, what's the worst that could happen?

    And again, exactly.


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    #48
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users Posts: 45,974 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Would you go to a dentist or chiropractor to treat your cancer?

    No, and it isn't at all relevant.

    A cursory glance online shows that Gynaecologists form part of a pre-and-post op transformation so going to a Gynaecologist in such circumstances seems like it could be part of the process.

    Unless you have found information that refutes it - rather than a base assumption on your part because you don't accept or believe in transgender?


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    #49
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    I'm giving out about the generalised hatred towards Transgender people and any need for Gynaecologist.

    There is no hatred whatsoever towards trans people in this thread. The hatred is aimed solely at a predatory paedophile, I highly suggest you read up on previous cases.


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    #50
    Still waters
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    She.

    Wrong again, a man with penis and testicles is a he not a she, no matter what mental health issues he has that tells him otherwise


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    #51
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    It's much more "shady" for a doctor to say, sure I'll have a crack at something I'm not confident with, what's the worst that could happen?

    I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll have a look...


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    #52
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    No, and it isn't at all relevant.

    A cursory glance online shows that Gynaecologists form part of a pre-and-post op transformation so going to a Gynaecologist in such circumstances seems like it could be part of the process.

    Unless you have found information that refutes it - rather than a base assumption on your part because you don't accept or believe in transgender?

    I can’t imagine every gynaecologist will have that specific training. It would be a sub-speciality, most likely.


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    #53
    Better Than Christ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Better Than Christ


    Just looking through her tweets, every one of them has been heavily ratioed. A terrible person, no doubt, but the people on here using her as a trojan horse to bash trans people in general are terrible too in their own way.


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    #54
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,585 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    No, and it isn't at all relevant.

    A cursory glance online shows that Gynaecologists form part of a pre-and-post op transformation so going to a Gynaecologist in such circumstances seems like it could be part of the process.

    Unless you have found information that refutes it - rather than a base assumption on your part because you don't accept or believe in transgender?

    Ok, I'll try again, I have a torn meniscus and need an operation. I am under an orthopedic surgeon, he specializes in orthopedic procedures. This is the surgeon I need and want. Should I be able to demand my GP do the operation? They are all doctors after all right?

    Not all Gynaecologists are are expert or even familiar in the field of trans pre/post op and therefore would have the right to refuse giving medical advice or even to see a pre/post op trans.

    If the person needs to see a pre/post op Gynaecologists then they should find one who has knowledge instead of picking one who doesn't and then going on a rant.

    This is akin to Gemma O'Donohue whinging about the Halal butchers not selling bacon.


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    #55
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Better Than Christ wrote: »
    Just looking through her tweets, every one of them has been heavily ratioed. A terrible person, no doubt, but the people on here using her as a trojan horse to bash trans people in general are terrible too in their own way.

    Who has bashed trans people?


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    #56
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    She.

    He.
    He can’t be a “she” because only women are “she” and he’s a man.
    I’m not a mermaid, you’re not a polar bear, he’s not a woman.


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    #57
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Better Than Christ wrote: »
    Just looking through her tweets, every one of them has been heavily ratioed. A terrible person, no doubt, but the people on here using her as a trojan horse to bash trans people in general are terrible too in their own way.

    People have bashed this trans person.


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    #58
    ingalway
    Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭ingalway


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Well, you’re not entirely wrong, but a gynaecologist is trained with knowledge of the human reproductive system, both male and female. That’s the entirety of the human reproductive system, they wouldn’t just be familiar with the female vagina.

    They would also be involved in research like fertility treatments and uterine transplants -

    Uterine transplantation in transgender women

    None of which applies in this particular case, but the point I’m making is that gynaecologists aren’t limited to examining or treating conditions solely related to the female vagina.


    A Gynaecologist would NEVER treat a male, their role is to treat the female reproductive systems (vagina, uterus, and ovaries) and the breasts. The term means "the science of women". Women, not trans women.

    A person who gender identifies as a male, a trans man, would go to a Gynaecologist because they are biologically a female. They could never get prostate cancer but could get breast, ovarian, uterine cancer.

    Why on earth do you link the uterine transplantation in transgender women? Is it an attempt to make it seem normal and possible that biological males can gestate? In order to even get anywhere near that horrific scenario you need to get the uterus out of a dead woman or get a trans man (biological woman) to undergo even more radical surgery than a hysterectomy to donate more of their anatomy to fulfil a male fetish of having a baby.


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    #59
    drunkmonkey
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    The sooner we take the word transition out of referring to people who aren't comfortable in their own skin the better for everyone especially for the youths mental health.


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    #60
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Jesus. Fúcking. Wept.

    It's late. That's all I can articulate.


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    #61
    drunkmonkey
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    People have bashed this trans person.

    Not bashing him half hard enough he's still able to use a computer.


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