Jessica Yaniv refused service at gynaecologist's office

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No, and it isn't at all relevant.

A cursory glance online shows that Gynaecologists form part of a pre-and-post op transformation so going to a Gynaecologist in such circumstances seems like it could be part of the process.

Unless you have found information that refutes it - rather than a base assumption on your part because you don't accept or believe in transgender?

I can’t imagine every gynaecologist will have that specific training. It would be a sub-speciality, most likely.

Better Than Christ

Just looking through her tweets, every one of them has been heavily ratioed. A terrible person, no doubt, but the people on here using her as a trojan horse to bash trans people in general are terrible too in their own way.

Timberrrrrrrr

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No, and it isn't at all relevant.

A cursory glance online shows that Gynaecologists form part of a pre-and-post op transformation so going to a Gynaecologist in such circumstances seems like it could be part of the process.

Unless you have found information that refutes it - rather than a base assumption on your part because you don't accept or believe in transgender?

Ok, I'll try again, I have a torn meniscus and need an operation. I am under an orthopedic surgeon, he specializes in orthopedic procedures. This is the surgeon I need and want. Should I be able to demand my GP do the operation? They are all doctors after all right?

Not all Gynaecologists are are expert or even familiar in the field of trans pre/post op and therefore would have the right to refuse giving medical advice or even to see a pre/post op trans.

If the person needs to see a pre/post op Gynaecologists then they should find one who has knowledge instead of picking one who doesn't and then going on a rant.

This is akin to Gemma O'Donohue whinging about the Halal butchers not selling bacon.

RocketRaccoon

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Just looking through her tweets, every one of them has been heavily ratioed. A terrible person, no doubt, but the people on here using her as a trojan horse to bash trans people in general are terrible too in their own way.

Who has bashed trans people?

splinter65

Mitch Connor wrote: »

She.

He.
He can’t be a “she” because only women are “she” and he’s a man.
I’m not a mermaid, you’re not a polar bear, he’s not a woman.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Just looking through her tweets, every one of them has been heavily ratioed. A terrible person, no doubt, but the people on here using her as a trojan horse to bash trans people in general are terrible too in their own way.

People have bashed this trans person.

ingalway

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well, you’re not entirely wrong, but a gynaecologist is trained with knowledge of the human reproductive system, both male and female. That’s the entirety of the human reproductive system, they wouldn’t just be familiar with the female vagina.

They would also be involved in research like fertility treatments and uterine transplants -

Uterine transplantation in transgender women

None of which applies in this particular case, but the point I’m making is that gynaecologists aren’t limited to examining or treating conditions solely related to the female vagina.

A Gynaecologist would NEVER treat a male, their role is to treat the female reproductive systems (vagina, uterus, and ovaries) and the breasts. The term means "the science of women". Women, not trans women.

A person who gender identifies as a male, a trans man, would go to a Gynaecologist because they are biologically a female. They could never get prostate cancer but could get breast, ovarian, uterine cancer.

Why on earth do you link the uterine transplantation in transgender women? Is it an attempt to make it seem normal and possible that biological males can gestate? In order to even get anywhere near that horrific scenario you need to get the uterus out of a dead woman or get a trans man (biological woman) to undergo even more radical surgery than a hysterectomy to donate more of their anatomy to fulfil a male fetish of having a baby.

drunkmonkey

The sooner we take the word transition out of referring to people who aren't comfortable in their own skin the better for everyone especially for the youths mental health.

sdanseo

Jesus. Fúcking. Wept.

It's late. That's all I can articulate.

drunkmonkey

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People have bashed this trans person.

Not bashing him half hard enough he's still able to use a computer.

Better Than Christ

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People have bashed this trans person.

And deservedly so, but the deliberate misgendering is disrespectful to trans people in general.

eviltwin

Mitch Connor wrote: »

nope. and i don't care.

the hate in this thread has been generalised on transgender people and any possible need for a Gynaecologists - not simply or just this specific person.

Forget the possible need for a Gynaecologists - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and are just a publicity stunt.
Forget that they were refered to a Gynaecologist - the hateful mob have decided they aren't needed and its just a publicity stunt.

I have a lot of time and respect for the trans community but I think she's taking the piss. Maybe she has a legitimate complaint this time but I don't care anymore. There has been too much utter crap from her it's impossible to take her seriously any more. Even trans people I know think she's a waste of space doing the community more harm than good.

Still waters

eviltwin wrote: »

I have a lot of time and respect for the trans community but I think she's taking the piss. Maybe she has a legitimate complaint this time but I don't care anymore. There has been too much utter crap from her it's impossible to take her seriously any more. Even trans people I know think she's a waste of space doing the community more harm than good.

He/him

Will I Am Not

Better Than Christ wrote: »

And deservedly so, but the deliberate misgendering is disrespectful to trans people in general.

I don’t believe Yaniv to be a genuine trans person. I believe he is a man using trans status to either troll or force women to touch his genitals.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Oh boy. Here we go again.

This yaniv is a moron.

Hego Damask

I don't understand Yaniv, what does she actually want the gynecologist to do here ?
What the f*ck can they do since biologically she still has male genitals ?

This is just her bullying people into touching her genitals - I bet you any amount of money too that's the gynecologist is a woman ...

Still waters

I think the proper term for a man like him is pedophile, his past history is proof of strong sexual perversion to children, he uses trans sexuality as a useful trojan horse to get near them

splinter65

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I don’t believe Yaniv to be a genuine trans person. I believe he is a man using trans status to either troll or force women to touch his genitals.

Not women, young girls.

Ironicname

I am very outspoken against the normalisation of trans issues but even I feel that this prick (the person referenced in the op, not the op) is doing trans people a disservice

splinter65

Hego Damask wrote: »

I don't understand Yaniv, what does she actually want the gynecologist to do here ?
What the f*ck can they do since biologically she still has male genitals ?

This is just her bullying people into touching her genitals - I bet you any amount of money too that's the gynecologist is a woman ...

He not she, him not her. Yaniv is a man not a woman.

Hego Damask

Mitch Connor wrote: »

She.

Nope ... HE!!!


HE has found this niche to try and get close to young girls, he already has been found out trying to contact 12 year old girls to help them with their tampons.

He is a sick freak.

splinter65

Better Than Christ wrote: »

And deservedly so, but the deliberate misgendering is disrespectful to trans people in general.

The deliberate references here to yaniv as a woman is disrespectful to women .

Better Than Christ

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I don’t believe Yaniv to be a genuine trans person. I believe he is a man using trans status to either troll or force women to touch his genitals.

I don't feel qualified to decide who is and isn't a genuine trans person. Yaniv might not deserve any respect, but there are probably better ways (i.e. more respectful towards trans people in general) of addressing that than pointedly referring to her as 'he' (or, as we've seen on this thread, contradicting people who refer to her as 'she').

Ironicname

Hego Damask wrote:

HE has found this niche to try and get close to young girls, he already has been found out trying to contact 12 year old girls to help them with their tampons.

splinter65 wrote:

The deliberate references here to yaniv as a woman is disrespectful to women .

As much as I agree, I think it's worth watching to see how far society has come to see you guys (apologies if that isn't the right term) get admonished for misgendering.

****ing madness

splinter65

Better Than Christ wrote: »

I don't feel qualified to decide who is and isn't a genuine trans person. Yaniv might not deserve any respect, but there are probably better ways (i.e. more respectful towards trans people in general) of addressing that than pointedly referring to her as 'he' (or, as we've seen on this thread, contradicting people who refer to her as 'she').

I feel that referring to a man as she/her just because he demands to be referred to as such is disrespectful to my 54 years lived experience as a woman. So where does my entitlement to respect rank against his?

Ironicname

Better Than Christ wrote:

I don't feel qualified to decide who is and isn't a genuine trans person. Yaniv might not deserve any respect, but there are probably better ways (i.e. more respectful towards trans people in general) of addressing that than pointedly referring to her as 'he' (or, as we've seen on this thread, contradicting people who refer to her as 'she').

Hang on.

There is nothing disrespectful about calling a man a man.

If a man wants to be a woman, more power to him.

If he wants me to call him a woman, I might do that.

If he EXPECTS me to call him a woman, I won't.

Respect works both ways

drunkmonkey

I'll just leave this here so the noobie wokies know who's been singled out and why. It's not a reflection on boards members of any twist.

Better Than Christ

splinter65 wrote: »

I feel that referring to a man a she/her just because he demands to be referred to as such is disrespectful to my 54 years lived experience as a woman. So where does my entitlement to respect rank against his?

Me, me, me...

Leaving Yaniv aside for a moment, do you think trans people in general deserve respect? Or is respect something that you only like to be on the receiving end of?

US2

Imagine raising a son like that.

Woodsie1

US2 wrote: »

Imagine raising a son like that.

The mother has a few screws loose too

Tzmaster90

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Me, me, me...

Leaving Yaniv aside for a moment, do you think trans people in general deserve respect? Or is respect something that you only like to be on the receiving end of?

Yes but that Gyno thing was mean Yaniv is a not right in the head.
Trans do deserve respect but not yaniv not that stuff she does.

Realt Dearg Sec

Hego Damask wrote: »

Nope ... HE!!!


HE has found this niche to try and get close to young girls, he already has been found out trying to contact 12 year old girls to help them with their tampons.

He is a sick freak.

*She

Better Than Christ

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

*She

Alternatively:

* Yaniv
* They
* That arsehole

Sardonicat

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

would gynaecologists not have anything to offer post op mtf transexuals? (I don't know enough about the functioning of a 'neo-vagina' to answer that one...)

Quite possibly, though I'd imagine that would be specialised within gynaecology. Yaniv, however, does not have any body parts that require the attentions of a gynaecologist of any sort.

BorneTobyWilde

What was gynaecologist suppose to do? Stick a finger up his ass, maybe that's what he wanted.

endacl

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

They're a f*cking troll who are doing the trans community a disservice with all this bullsh*t. Imo, maybe trans people may see it differently.

They’re a dude, dude.

Ironicname

Better Than Christ wrote:

Me, me, me...

That poster never once said "me".

Venom

endacl wrote: »

They’re a dude, dude.

They're a paedophile predator who should be in jail.

171170

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Alternatively:

* Yaniv
* They
* That arsehole

Am I allowed to opt for * It?

If not, then option 3 above.

Rodin

There needs to be a clear distinction between the gender a person identifies as and is legally allowed to have recognised and their biological sex.

The two are quite distinct.
I think there should be two designations. One legal and one biological.

Cordell

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Me, me, me...

Leaving Yaniv aside for a moment, do you think trans people in general deserve respect? Or is respect something that you only like to be on the receiving end of?

Trans people deserve respect, they're people. What they don't deserve is to have the rest of the people forced to take part in their fantasy. A biological male doesn't need a gynecologists no matter how he identifies himself. What he needs in maybe therapy to help him cope with the fact that he is not a real woman and he will never be.

Ironicname

Rodin wrote:

There needs to be a clear distinction between the gender a person identifies as and is legally allowed to have recognised and their biological sex.

Rodin wrote:

The two are quite distinct. I think there should be two designations. One legal and one biological.

Not really.

I think that you should be able to define someone as a man or a woman depending on their gender and then whatever they define themselves as is nobody's business except their own.

Rodin

Ironicname wrote: »

Not really.

I think that you should be able to define someone as a man or a woman depending on their gender and then whatever they define themselves as is nobody's business except their own.

Except the law recognises their wish to change genders. Legally.
If this isn't going to change then their needs to be a new biological recognition.

Personally I don't think the law should recognise many people's wish to change genders.

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Still waters wrote: »

What business would a man have going to a gynecologists office out of interest ?

Maybe he wanted to read the magazines:)

Ironicname

Rodin wrote:

Except the law recognises their wish to change genders. Legally. If this isn't going to change then their needs to be a new biological recognition.

I completely disagree with that law and have no intention to obey it.

It's not really a win for trans people.

People may be compelled to refer to them as their preferred pronoun, but they are still the gender they were born

Quantum Erasure

Rodin wrote: »

Personally I don't think the law should recognise many people's wish to change genders.

as far as I know 'self ID' has been a thing in Ireland for a few years, just wondering is there 'many' availing of this? has there been any issues with it so far?
I haven't seen any Irish cases highlighted in the media, that I can remember

quick google brought up an article from nearly a year ago:
https://www.thejournal.ie/transgender-laws-in-ireland-explainer-4453493-Jan2019/

Rodin

Ironicname wrote: »

I completely disagree with that law and have no intention to obey it.

It's not really a win for trans people.

People may be compelled to refer to them as their preferred pronoun, but they are still the gender they were born

And 'they' will always be plural to me.
No single person should ever be referred to as 'they'.

Plumbthedepths

Last I heard he still has male physiology, so a gynecologist is of no service to him.
I have no experience of the trans community but this numpty must be doing some harm with his behaviour.

Quantum Erasure

Rodin wrote: »

And 'they' will always be plural to me.
No single person should ever be referred to as 'they'.

hey you! no, not you, you plural

splinter65

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Me, me, me...

Leaving Yaniv aside for a moment, do you think trans people in general deserve respect? Or is respect something that you only like to be on the receiving end of?

I don’t see why I have to accept being disrespected any more then trans people have to accept being disrespected but your “me me me” comment implies that you think I should accept it.
Can you tell me why you think this?0