Peter McVerry Trust staff and wages

BDI

Seems Peter McVerry, the little priest with the soup kitchen has 500 staff. 18.6 million a year in wages. Pension contributed too.
Average wage €37500.

What’s the best charity for percentage that actually goes to the needy? I heard of a pseudo science service provider having a charity before and all the money raised went towards him and his mate doing their pseudo science on people. The accounts seemed to show this.

What’s it all about? Restore my faith in charity on an industrial level.

Sardonicat

How would the services be provided if there was no staff to provide them? Do you think they should work for free and render themselves in need of the very services they provide?

Sardonicat

Sardonicat wrote: »

How would the services be provided if there was no staff to provide them? Do you think they should work for free and render themselves in need of the very services they provide?

be more honest than lecturing taxpayers about how good we have it while scooping millions up from the exchequer for their activities.

freshpopcorn

Remember if you got a water refund and you gave it him. At least you know where it went now. I think the attitude was you've the refund to give away now.


I'm always a little baffled when people think all the people involved in charities are volunteers.

Plumbthedepths

Surprised it took so long for an attack on McVerry tbh. He lambasts the government for the behaviour of Murphy for claiming 51k yet not doing the job he was elected to do whilst Peter accompanied a teenager to court who was caught stealing a bar costing a euro.

Earthhorse

Just curious but why are pensions always brought up in these things? Should workers not get pensions? Should they just work forever? Pensions are a good thing. Everyone should be contributing to one.

BDI wrote: »

What’s it all about? Restore my faith in charity on an industrial level.

No. Either don’t donate to them or do the research yourself.

Sardonicat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

be more honest than lecturing taxpayers about how good we have it while scooping millions up from the exchequer for their activities.

What's wrong with paying the staff a decent wage? Again, how would he provide those services without staff?

freshpopcorn

Sardonicat wrote: »

What's wrong with paying the staff a decent wage? Again, how would he provide those services without staff?

I don't think there is a real issue with it to be honest.

However I think the issue arises because sometimes charity workers come across as they do it for nothing. People are unsure who get's paid and who doesn't and it can make people reluctant to give to charity.

Mrs OBumble

BDI wrote: »

What’s the best charity for percentage that actually goes to the needy?

You mean in cash for them to spend on the booze that got them into trouble in the first place? Just hand it directly to the lads in the street.

Kermit.de.frog

I think what OP is getting at is that it's become an industry which means it's never in their interests to actually solve the problem because then they would be put out of business.

eviltwin

I work for a homeless charity. Not this one but a similar one. Am I expected to work for free? I work hard, I get abuse from service users, I've been physically attacked, I work at night, weekends and over Christmas. If people don't get paid who would bother doing it.

Salary Negotiator

We have less than 11,000 homeless people and 500 employees in PMV, how many do the other vested interest charities employ?

Seems to me that there are a lot of people whose job is dependent on the homeless.

I wonder if these organisations are actually helping the issue.

Auguste Comte

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think what OP is getting at is that it's become an industry which means it's never in their interests to actually solve the problem because then they would be put out of business.

It's not their job to solve the issues, that's the government's job. Their gig is to provide services to the people left behind by government policies.

EmmetSpiceland

Sardonicat wrote: »

What's wrong with paying the staff a decent wage? Again, how would he provide those services without staff?

37k isn’t, exactly, a “decent” wage either. Grand for basis admin type roles.

If they were getting 70 or 80k it might raise a few “eyebrows”.

I’m failing to see what the problem is, cranky OP getting his crank on, perhaps?

freshpopcorn

eviltwin wrote: »

I work for a homeless charity. Not this one but a similar one. Am I expected to work for free? I work hard, I get abuse from service users, I've been physically attacked, I work at night, weekends and over Christmas. If people don't get paid who would bother doing it.

I think some people thought ye are volunteers and do it for nothing.

Beechwoodspark

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

37k isn’t, exactly, a “decent” wage either. Grand for basis admin type roles.

If they were getting 70 or 80k it might raise a few “eyebrows”.

I’m failing to see what the problem is, cranky OP getting his crank on, perhaps?

Eh speak for yerself

37k is fantastic money

noodler

Also amazed people think or even have the impression that people can do all this stuff part time and still hold down another job.

noodler

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Eh speak for yerself

37k is fantastic money

It really isn't.

Average industrial wage is about 35/36.

It's not terrible or anything of course.

Sardonicat

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

37k isn’t, exactly, a “decent” wage either. Grand for basis admin type roles.

If they were getting 70 or 80k it might raise a few “eyebrows”.

I’m failing to see what the problem is, cranky OP getting his crank on, perhaps?

Precisely. I'm aware if a few charities where the head honchos are in big bucks, and frankly that nauseates me, but 37k? There's a lot of ways to make that wage that are far easier than working for PVM.

Raconteuse

Average 37000 though. Probably entry level at 25k.

Beechwoodspark

noodler wrote: »

It really isn't.

Average industrial wage is about 35/36.

It's not terrible or anything of course.

I consider 37k to be a fantastic salary and especially in the charity sector

tayto lover

How much annually does the Govt fund of the 18 million?
How much other funding do they receive?

Seems like the charity is just acting as the “middle man”.

Raconteuse

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I consider 37k to be a fantastic salary and especially in the charity sector

Fantastic if you've no children or are sharing your household with someone who is on the same money.

Mad_maxx

no time for that chronic attention seeker since he said during an interview with ray darcy that " evictions by banks or landlords should be illegal "

media give him far too soft of a ride

Raconteuse

I make allowances for him because of all he's done and all the sacrifices he has made - few others would. However he can talk some right shyte.

But it doesn't have to be a case of either respecting or not respecting him. It can be a mixture.

BDI

37 k is skilled tradesman/skilled office type money not unskilled work. The average wage is 37k how many are on little and how many are on crazy money. Handy out chickens or cleaning bowls in a soup kitchen is hardly worth 37k a week.

How many of these people on big money are religious/church people or part time people on another full wage sticking in an hour or two a week and heading home with the leftover(preselected) bread rolls and chickens?

It’s soup kitchens they arnt building the houses or teaching the homeless how to build the houses. A vast majority of them staff seem like they wouldn’t be earning 37 and a half grand anywhere else with a pension.

Do you get 37 and a half grand for standing at one of them little tables in the supermarket shaking a bucket?

Jinglejangle69

His CEO is on 120,000 a year!!!!

120,000 folks.

Another gravy train.

But we dare question the Saint Peter who lectures people who own houses and makes them feel guilty.

Can’t stand the man.

EmmetSpiceland

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

His CEO is on 120,000 a year!!!!

120,000 folks.

Another gravy train.

But we dare question the Saint Peter who lectures people who own houses and makes them feel guilty.

Can’t stand the man.

Pay the CEO €40k a year and watch the charity fold within a year or two.

noodler

tayto lover wrote: »

How much annually does the Govt fund of the 18 million?
How much other funding do they receive?

Seems like the charity is just acting as the “middle man”.

Yeah, we could have the government hire such people, make them permanent public sector workers etc, cut out the middle men.

Would that be better?

Sleeper12

BDI wrote: »

Seems Peter McVerry, the little priest with the soup kitchen has 500 staff. 18.6 million a year in wages. Pension contributed too.
Average wage €37500.

Woo, slow down cowboy. That's 1500 euro below the average industrial wage. It's not an excessive wage for the type of work they carry out

Earthhorse

BDI wrote: »

37 k is skilled tradesman/skilled office type money not unskilled work. The average wage is 37k how many are on little and how many are on crazy money. Handy out chickens or cleaning bowls in a soup kitchen is hardly worth 37k a week.

How many of these people on big money are religious/church people or part time people on another full wage sticking in an hour or two a week and heading home with the leftover(preselected) bread rolls and chickens?

It’s soup kitchens they arnt building the houses or teaching the homeless how to build the houses. A vast majority of them staff seem like they wouldn’t be earning 37 and a half grand anywhere else with a pension.

Do you get 37 and a half grand for standing at one of them little tables in the supermarket shaking a bucket?

Why don’t you write to them and ask?

the beer revolu

Make a wage creating profit for a company - fine.
Make a wage trying to help the less fortunate - hypocritical scumbag.

????

freshpopcorn

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Pay the CEO €40k a year and watch the charity fold within a year or two.

Youd have to wonder does the CEO want this homeless crisis to end with the money he's on!

tayto lover

noodler wrote: »

Yeah, we could have the government hire such people, make them permanent public sector workers etc, cut out the middle men.

Would that be better?

Would we need 500 to service 11,000 though?
Along with all the other charities looking after the same people. All collecting money and all maybe being paid too.
Looks like an industry tbh.
A problem that people would like to keep running because when/if it’s fixed then they are out of work.

Fr_Dougal

There are not 11k genuine homeless people. The majority of that figure and the foreva home crew who have presented themselves as homeless so they can get their free foreva home. You can be sure that the majority of them could move in with family, but then they’d lose their place.

McVerry mostly works with ex convicts and drug users.

AulWan

BDI wrote: »

Average wage €37500.

Thats hardly a living wage, these days.

salmocab

BDI wrote: »

37 k is skilled tradesman/skilled office type money not unskilled work. The average wage is 37k how many are on little and how many are on crazy money. Handy out chickens or cleaning bowls in a soup kitchen is hardly worth 37k a week.

How many of these people on big money are religious/church people or part time people on another full wage sticking in an hour or two a week and heading home with the leftover(preselected) bread rolls and chickens?

It’s soup kitchens they arnt building the houses or teaching the homeless how to build the houses. A vast majority of them staff seem like they wouldn’t be earning 37 and a half grand anywhere else with a pension.

Do you get 37 and a half grand for standing at one of them little tables in the supermarket shaking a bucket?

37k is not skilled tradesman level money, plumbers and sparks are on about 50k basic.

Plumbthedepths

The required services can either be delivered by government or an NGO.
If the service is delivered by government it will be a damn sight more expensive than an NGO that doesn't have access to a seemingly bottomless pit of money.

Ronin247

There are 189,000 employees in the charity sector in Ireland. There are approximately 10,000 registered charities. There are 300,000 unpaid volunteers

Homeless charities have approximately 2000 employees, even though there are only a few hundred sleeping rough nationwide.

If the average salary for working in the homeless "industry " is €37,000 then considering there are a lot of families in the numbers, we could probably fund 3 homes at a rent of €1000 per month from each salary, 2000 x 3 homes is 6000 homes..... no more homeless people.

Let me say there are a large number of very good people who work in these charities and I dont wish to tar them all with the same brush but it is an industry.

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think some people thought ye are volunteers and do it for nothing.

My own impression of charities was that there may be a small number of full-time paid employees. Breakfast I earned abt €37k in public service job and have had my pension described in these parts and by media as Gold-Plated because I earn half that, and the amount of envy I’ve been subjected to because of my huge salary during downturn was sickening. I always understood a certain number of paid charity workers was necessary but thought that there was a substantial number of volunteers from among the retired, and splendid individuals in their spare time. I just never realised it was indeed such an industry of people depending on their livelihood for the existence of the unfortunate.

ThunbergsAreGo

tayto lover wrote: »

Would we need 500 to service 11,000 though?
Along with all the other charities looking after the same people. All collecting money and all maybe being paid too.
Looks like an industry tbh.
A problem that people would like to keep running because when/if it’s fixed then they are out of work.

Looking at the figures, focus Ireland are another 500. I wonder how many work in this industry in total

dxhound2005

foxy farmer wrote: »

Accounts for 2018.They're handling some amount of money.

Correct, and they expanded their workforce massively to match the vast increase in public funding. Look at the last few pages of the 2018 report.

This expansion has not been matched by any great success in stopping homelessness, if the media are to believed on the subject.

https://pmvtrust.ie/news/publications/annual-reports/

griffin100

There’s something nauseating about an employee of one of the richest organisations in Ireland (the Catholic Church) lecturing everyone else on charity. His employers could make a huge inroad into genuine homelessness if they wanted.

He’s full of crap most of the time. I once heard him on the radio saying that the government were sending people to prison to keep the homeless numbers down, wtf?

Who named his charity? Did he name it after himself?

downtheroad

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Looking at the figures, focus Ireland are another 500. I wonder how many work in this industry in total

Threshold 2018 accounts say they had an average of 49 staff at a total cost of €1.9m. Key management received salaries totalling just under €400k.

end of the road

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

His CEO is on 120,000 a year!!!!

120,000 folks.

Another gravy train.

But we dare question the Saint Peter who lectures people who own houses and makes them feel guilty.

Can’t stand the man.

120000, is that all?
120000 is an absolute bargain for a CEO position for a large organisation tbh.

downtheroad

downtheroad wrote: »

Threshold 2018 accounts say they had an average of 49 staff at a total cost of €1.9m. Key management received salaries totalling just under €400k.

Dublin Simon Community 2018 accounts show average staff numbers was 309 (up from 264 in 2017) at a total cost of €11.4m (up from €9.4m the previous year).

Earthhorse

Ronin247 wrote: »

If the average salary for working in the homeless "industry " is €37,000 then considering there are a lot of families in the numbers, we could probably fund 3 homes at a rent of €1000 per month from each salary, 2000 x 3 homes is 6000 homes..... no more homeless people.

It’s not as simple as that though, is it? First off you need 6,000 homes to be available. Secondly, you have to assume that an injection of that amount of money and people into the rental market wouldn’t drive prices up. You also have to ignore the fact for many homeless people the route cause is drug addiction or mental issues which is why they've lost homes in the past. You also have to consider that part of the charities job is to fundraise so the same amount of funds won’t be available. And you have to assume there is no one you need to hire in order to source and administer the aforementioned 6,000 homes. So plenty more homeless people after all.

Let me say there are a large number of very good people who work in these charities and I dont wish to tar them all with the same brush but it is an industry.

And likewise I'm not suggesting that all these charities are perfect but if all these problems were as simple to solve as people on this thread are making out it’d be solved already.

um7y1h83ge06nx

eviltwin wrote: »

I work for a homeless charity. Not this one but a similar one. Am I expected to work for free? I work hard, I get abuse from service users, I've been physically attacked, I work at night, weekends and over Christmas. If people don't get paid who would bother doing it.

Well if that's what the service users do to you they should be told to fcuk off and sort themselves out. If they're thugs, leave them homeless.

You're being taken for a fool by them.

listermint

BDI wrote: »

37 k is skilled tradesman/skilled office type money not unskilled work. The average wage is 37k how many are on little and how many are on crazy money. Handy out chickens or cleaning bowls in a soup kitchen is hardly worth 37k a week.

How many of these people on big money are religious/church people or part time people on another full wage sticking in an hour or two a week and heading home with the leftover(preselected) bread rolls and chickens?

It’s soup kitchens they arnt building the houses or teaching the homeless how to build the houses. A vast majority of them staff seem like they wouldn’t be earning 37 and a half grand anywhere else with a pension.

Do you get 37 and a half grand for standing at one of them little tables in the supermarket shaking a bucket?

Lol good look getting a skilled tradesman for that money


If your looking for dopes by all means .

BDI

I wonder if they taxed all the charities could they raise money to solve homelessness.

Montage of Feck

It's not very efficient to have so many charities with the resultant duplication of service, a service that the HSE and social welfare should be providing.