Where are we off to tomorrow

Water John

Mitchelstown couldn't run a pig factory but Barryroe (Stauntons) can. How a business succeeds is not largely about the ownership but about, the culture within the organisation.

BarryD2

kk.man wrote: »

My farming business operates solely on its own merits. It will sink or swim on its own too. Nobody owes me nor any farmer a living. When you go to the supermarket take a look at the price of beef and likewise go to a restaurant and order a steak and then look at what farmers are getting for prime beef 3.50 per kg. The processor has the hide and all it's offal for free and makes big money on it.

That's fine but your business also depends on how much the retailers need you. The meat factories are your customer and the retailers their customer and so on. You piss off your customers at your own peril. It's not quite the same as nurses, teachers, train drivers going on strike.. not the same thing at all.

kk.man

BarryD2 wrote: »

That's fine but your business also depends on how much the retailers need you. The meat factories are your customer and the retailers their customer and so on. You piss off your customers at your own peril. It's not quite the same as nurses, teachers, train drivers going on strike.. not the same thing at all.

It is the same. People go to the hand that feeds them when the food is reduced. Farmers and others have entered negotiations with most stakeholders for years and got nowhere. That was a last resort to air our grievance.

gerryirl

wrangler wrote: »

Irish farming will be the joke if they disband for 5c/kg

that will be tested cause I'm after getting call for to move a few next week and yes 5 cent increase

barnaman

DBK1 wrote: »

Them UK prices show that an R grade heifer is averaging about €3.95/kg. That’s 0.45 cent ahead of us at the minute which equates to €157 on an average 350kg carcass. I think there’d be a lot more optimism amoung beef farmers if we could get anywhere near matching that. I don’t understand how that’s supposed to show that the IFA have done plenty??

Not that big of a difference. €3.55 base for R3 plus 20c bonus is €3.75. So it is about €75 of a divide. Irish beef is not British beef. The massive problem is dirt cheap food that is unsustainable.



IFA got BDGP plus BEAM and BEEP they are worth nearly €200 per suckler cow. I am getting 10k from BEAM thanks to the IFA office in Brussels. Also more farming sectors than just beef. IFA represents the lot.



Not agree with manner of pickets myself ie a blockade but do believe we should be protesting at shops etc. Constant knarking at IFA sickens me they and others showing that farming and definitely beef farming is fuped. The goal of protests is now to protect our SFP and other payments. To pay me for land, sheds, machinery my time beef should be €5 or more a kilo .Anything less just a joke.

wrangler

barnaman wrote: »

Not that big of a difference. €3.55 base for R3 plus 20c bonus is €3.75. So it is about €75 of a divide. Irish beef is not British beef. The massive problem is dirt cheap food that is unsustainable.



IFA got BDGP plus BEAM and BEEP they are worth nearly €200 per suckler cow. I am getting 10k from BEAM thanks to the IFA office in Brussels. Also more farming sectors than just beef. IFA represents the lot.



Not agree with manner of pickets myself ie a blockade but do believe we should be protesting at shops etc. Constant knarking at IFA sickens me they and others showing that farming and definitely beef farming is fuped. The goal of protests is now to protect our SFP and other payments. To pay me for land, sheds, machinery my time beef should be €5 or more a kilo .Anything less just a joke.

Yea Joe went through some of the perks for a sheep and suckler farmer at a meeting lately and they were considerable too. the splinter groups are but one trick ponies with an impossible quest.
Yes, maybe they shouldn't have been in Charleville yesterday but they were also in Brussels yesterday too as well as marking numerous other issues

orm0nd

The more I think about these 2 protests the more, they look like publicity stunts for woods and coughlan.

Hope our local man and rushe get elected. They'd have the balls to to cut out a lot of this bullsh1t.

wrangler

orm0nd wrote: »

The more I think about these 2 protests the more, they look like publicity stunts for woods and coughlan.

Hope our local man and rushe get elected. They'd have the balls to to cut out a lot of this bullsh1t.

The voting is practically over, is it not too late for any change. Rushe was at the protest in Naas

BarryD2

kk.man wrote: »

It is the same. People go to the hand that feeds them when the food is reduced. Farmers and others have entered negotiations with most stakeholders for years and got nowhere. That was a last resort to air our grievance.

A farm is a business. Piss off your customers and you run the risk of losing business. Retailers can and do switch suppliers. You may end up reaping what you sow.

Public servants on the other hand have a level of protection, even if they go on strike and annoy the public.

You are more exposed.

kk.man

BarryD2 wrote: »

A farm is a business. Piss off your customers and you run the risk of losing business. Retailers can and do switch suppliers. You may end up reaping what you sow.

Public servants on the other hand have a level of protection, even if they go on strike and annoy the public.

You are more exposed.

How do you propose farmers get a fair price?

gerryirl

orm0nd wrote: »

The more I think about these 2 protests the more, they look like publicity stunts for woods and coughlan.
t.

Publicity stunt for the IFA full stop.. A joke really. They should have done this months ago instead of leaving it to the beefplan. Healy only got a set of balls once the beefplan started the fight . too little too late then. They did in fairness stick bythe farmers that had injunctions which redeemded them in my eyes a bit but sadly the once great IFA which they were are now only a shadow of years gone by and the farming comminuity by and large have realised this too

wrangler

gerryirl wrote: »

Publicity stunt for the IFA full stop.. A joke really. They should have done this months ago instead of leaving it to the beefplan. Healy only got a set of balls once the beefplan started the fight . too little too late then. They did in fairness stick bythe farmers that had injunctions which redeemded them in my eyes a bit but sadly the once great IFA which they were are now only a shadow of years gone by and the farming comminuity by and large have realised this too

No point to doing it months ago, bit sad even to try it

gerryirl

wrangler wrote: »

No point to doing it months ago, bit sad even to try it

well its right bloody sad looking now I tell you

MIKEKC

gerryirl wrote: »

Publicity stunt for the IFA full stop.. A joke really. They should have done this months ago instead of leaving it to the beefplan. Healy only got a set of balls once the beefplan started the fight . too little too late then. They did in fairness stick bythe farmers that had injunctions which redeemded them in my eyes a bit but sadly the once great IFA which they were are now only a shadow of years gone by and the farming comminuity by and large have realised this too

Darragh McCullough had an article in the farming independent this week discussing the injunctions . He said one was a Fine Gael councillor and part time builder the other was a carpenter. No mention of any connection to farming. If this be the case why was there such pressure to get injunctions lifted

wrangler

gerryirl wrote: »

well its right bloody sad looking now I tell you

A mess if you're still waiting to sell cattle since August

wrangler

MIKEKC wrote: »

Darragh McCullough had an article in the farming independent this week discussing the injunctions . He said one was a Fine Gael councillor and part time builder the other was a carpenter. No mention of any connection to farming. If this be the case why was there such pressure to get injunctions lifted

Hard to see it alright but farmers were insistent on all injunctions being lifted

Base price

MIKEKC wrote: »

Darragh McCullough had an article in the farming independent this week discussing the injunctions . He said one was a Fine Gael councillor and part time builder the other was a carpenter. No mention of any connection to farming. If this be the case why was there such pressure to get injunctions lifted

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1014/1083201-beef-market-taskforce/

gerryirl

wrangler wrote: »

A mess if you're still waiting to sell cattle since August

whats that got to do with the IFA pickets. Thats what I was on about. And yes Ive been trying to kill cattle since August

MIKEKC

Base price wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1014/1083201-beef-market-taskforce/

Read the article, I can't see where it says that these individuals were farmers

Base price

MIKEKC wrote: »

Read the article, I can't see where it says that these individuals were farmers

Part time farmers would be more accurate -

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmers-still-battling-with-legal-threats-speak-out/

MIKEKC

Base price wrote: »

Part time farmers would be more accurate -

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmers-still-battling-with-legal-threats-speak-out/

Strange that Darragh McCullough didn't mention it if they were part time farmers.Surely this would have been a very important point?

Water John

Part time IWT, like most beef farmers. BTW, if they had no connection with the land and came to support rural Ireland and their neighbours, fair play to them.

Robson99

wrangler wrote: »

A mess if you're still waiting to sell cattle since August

There is no one waiting to sell cattle since August...tarmac talk

MIKEKC

Water John wrote: »

Part time IWT, like most beef farmers. BTW, if they had no connection with the land and came to support rural Ireland and their neighbours, fair play to them.

These guys weren't supporting rural Ireland. Caused misery to the owners of a reported 100,000 cattle that went overage and some of which still aren't killed. Continue to be fed for e3.45 per kilo

Panch18

Robson99 wrote: »

There is no one waiting to sell cattle since August...tarmac talk

Oh but there is

The number is down a lot but still cattle to be killed

Robson99

Panch18 wrote: »

Oh but there is

The number is down a lot but still cattle to be killed

So cattle that were fit for killing in August are still in a shed waiting to be killed...lads in this position really need to question there factory procurement manager or maybe they are lads who chop and change factories regularly...I haven't heard of anyone who is killing cattle having to wait any longer than 4 weeks.

epfff

Panch18 wrote: »

Oh but there is

The number is down a lot but still cattle to be killed

I find that very strange
I think there is more to that than meets the eye they must have annoyed someone in a previous life or with last cattle they sent.
I had 2 factories that i dont regularly deal with looking for cattle last week (no extra money)

Base price

MIKEKC wrote: »

Strange that Darragh McCullough didn't mention it if they were part time farmers.Surely this would have been a very important point?

Both are part time farmers - https://www.northernsound.ie/longford-farmer-vows-continue-farming-despite-c-d-injunction/

Base price

epfff wrote: »

I find that very strange
I think there is more to that than meets the eye they must have annoyed someone in a previous life or with last cattle they sent.
I had 2 factories that i dont regularly deal with looking for cattle last week (no extra money)

What spec?

The factory that we go too are actively looking for Chinese spec cattle. There is a delay in getting overage and cull cows booked in.

tanko

I enquired about the price for a few cows last Monday, could have sent them on the Wednesday if i wanted. Only offering 2.90 for R's so i didnt.

Neddyusa

epfff wrote: »

I find that very strange
I think there is more to that than meets the eye they must have annoyed someone in a previous life or with last cattle they sent.
I had 2 factories that i dont regularly deal with looking for cattle last week (no extra money)

Still have fit bullocks here that went overage during the strike. Were originally booked in first week of the strike. Factory only taking them next week. No way to get over 30 mths killed the past 2 months.
Only saving Grace is that they were on grass

BarryD2

kk.man wrote: »

How do you propose farmers get a fair price?

Produce less cattle. Reduce the supply to the factories. That'll raise the price paid...

Of course that means that some lads would leave the business but this would give a better return to those remaining.

Robson99

Neddyusa wrote: »

Still have fit bullocks here that went overage during the strike. Were originally booked in first week of the strike. Factory only taking them next week. No way to get over 30 mths killed the past 2 months.
Only saving Grace is that they were on grass

If I was you I would change factories....if you are any sort of a regular you should be able to get them killed....

gerryirl

Panch18 wrote: »

Oh but there is

The number is down a lot but still cattle to be killed

have to agree I only got the last of mine off there this evening since the end of September and the agent said this evening plenty still to get through. My regular factory was doing severe cutting of weights so id lose 100-150 a head by going to them so I waited my time and got them away.. rang alot of factorys but when I wasnt a customer they didnt want to know me

wrangler

I was talking to a IFA national officer this evening, he's expecting another hit.

gerryirl

wrangler wrote: »

I was talking to a IFA national officer this evening, he's expecting another hit.

in what shape or from

Heart Break Kid

kk.man wrote: »

Another point Irish supermarkets only buy less than 5% of what we produce. That won't hurt us either.
Now check your facts before you make an argument.

Then why protest? Just doesn’t make sense to start an argument with someone that’s a relatively small customer.

tanko

gerryirl wrote: »

in what shape or from

The IFA lads are going to hit the five star hotels around the country for the xmas party season. Apparently there's a million left in the slush fund that has to be blown before the end of the year.

wrangler

gerryirl wrote: »

in what shape or from

I didn't ask, he said he had a few phone calls this evening from higher up.
I know from past experience that they don't phone on sundays for fun

MIKEKC

Robson99 wrote: »

If I was you I would change factories....if you are any sort of a regular you should be able to get them killed....

Regular here with same factory for 15 years still can't get last of them away.

Robson99

MIKEKC wrote: »

Regular here with same factory for 15 years still can't get last of them away.

Think you need to have a chat with the manager

MIKEKC

Robson99 wrote: »

Think you need to have a chat with the manager

Always sent through agent, maybe another chat with him

Robson99

MIKEKC wrote: »

Always sent through agent, maybe another chat with him

They really are ****ing you over. As soon as things settle I would source another factory and tell the current agent and factory to go **** themselves

mr.stonewall

Just on a side note how much has Larry Goodman's name has been in the media since the beef tribunal days and bet he doesn't like it one bit. It's subtle pressure from lots of different sources at the moment on the cartel that will yeild results. Every day it's in media is breaking a clink in his armour

jimmy G M

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Just on a side note how much has Larry Goodman's name has been in the media since the beef tribunal days and bet he doesn't like it one bit. It's subtle pressure from lots of different sources at the moment on the cartel that will yeild results. Every day it's in media is breaking a clink in his armour

A quote comes to mind from The Usual Suspects......

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

jimmy G M

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Water John

The longer term solution is not to be dependent on the 'goodwill' of a factory agent and join a PO and let them deal directly with the factories and markets.

That may not be what you want or need to hear ATM.

kk.man

BarryD2 wrote: »

Produce less cattle. Reduce the supply to the factories. That'll raise the price paid...

Of course that means that some lads would leave the business but this would give a better return to those remaining.

When we produced 30k per week the factories rode us, when we killed 28k per week and 24k per it was the same result. They brought in 30 month rule under many gusises but it controls the supply.
We are dealing with a Cartel here that domestically or at EU level the powers that be don't want to tackle. That's the nub of the problem. The factories have no problem selling the meat none of it is left over or goes to intervention.

Bullocks

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Just on a side note how much has Larry Goodman's name has been in the media since the beef tribunal days and bet he doesn't like it one bit. It's subtle pressure from lots of different sources at the moment on the cartel that will yeild results. Every day it's in media is breaking a clink in his armour

At this stage I'd say he couldn't give a sh1te . He is 80 odd I think and considering he got this far on the backs of farmers ,tax payers and politicians(not too mention his smarts ) he will hardly change tack .
Farmers are years aswell giving little concessions to factories and making less and less and sometimes a loss altogether but we keep the numbers up regardless of how little is coming next year .
Who is worse ?

memorystick

They’re picking on Tesco’s now.