Trevor Deely case - new witness

I do wonder if the chapelizod thing was real. Maybe he was there but the people involved moved him, knowing full well that someone could talk at any moment.

smelly sock

Ffs. This thread is descending into realms of off the wall whack job conspiracy theories again. It always seems to attract the sort who want something like an alien abduction or Trevor to have been assasinated by a hitman for hire fron Alaska.

Bunny Colvin

Omackeral wrote: »

What about the possibility of a drunk driver hitting him? Christmas party season in full swing. No taxis that night so some fool decides to drive into town. Drink driving probably not as taboo 20 years ago as it is now to some people. Bad conditions coupled with poor visibility and a drunk fella maybe walking on the road. Maybe this hypothetical driver had a passenger with them. Possible enough.

I think the Gardaí were looking at that theory. To me it's the most plausible.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Most likely it's something to shady to do with the man in black waiting outside. Especially as he has never come forward. It seems Trevor may know him though as:

He doesn't look shaken when the guy is at the gate with him after following him there.

He doesn't tell his work colleague about a guy outside

He also walks out to the middle of the path after putting up his umbrella as if to check for anyone left or right of him instead of just going left

runningbuddy

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

I think the Gardaí were looking at that theory. To me it's the most plausible.

I think this too. I was on my work xmas party that night. Town was absolute mayhem due to taxi strike. His poor family. Absolutely no closure

snotboogie

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Most likely it's something to shady to do with the man in black waiting outside. Especially as he has never come forward. It seems Trevor may know him though as:

He doesn't look shaken when the guy is at the gate with him after following him there.

He doesn't tell his work colleague about a guy outside

He also walks out to the middle of the path after putting up his umbrella as if to check for anyone left or right of him instead of just going left

Trevor does not look comfortable at all in the CCTV when interacting with the man outside the bank. Look at the video, Trevor takes an immediate defensive stance when confronted by the man, he grabs the gate with one hand, separating himself from the man in black and hurriedly fumbles with the keys to the gate while continuing to look him even after the man turns away.

Ghosteen

Terrible for Trevor's family after all these years, not getting any closure. If I was a family member I'd find a lot of the speculation on this thread upsetting I would say.

smelly sock

snotboogie wrote: »

Trevor does not look comfortable at all in the CCTV when interacting with the man outside the bank. Look at the video, Trevor takes an immediate defensive stance when confronted by the man, he grabs the gate with one hand, separating himself from the man in black and hurriedly fumbles with the keys to the gate while continuing to look him even after the man turns away.

He also had a clatter of drink taken.

passatman86

Imo it looks to me TD disappearance was in relation to some kind of theft , whether it be his bellongings or linked to his workplace is yet to be discovered

Fiftyfilthy

The men in the video wouldn’t appear immediately to me , to be the usual scum lurking down there . More likely to be in tracksuits and trainers etc than black shoes and trousers

So possibly men after being on a night out ?

Says in the video that it took td 11 mins to walk a 6 min walk . Could be he was propositioned and declined

If a prostitute is out after 4am in weather like that she is desperate to pay someone she owes or for drugs that she needs for the next day

The man followed with intention to rob him


Just can’t tie in the clothing of the men to a typical pimp etc


I’m not for one moment saying td had any involvement with the women in that area but could have been propositioned


As will be pointed out , zero evidence that any working girls spoke to him but that doesn’t mean one didn’t. Might not want to come forward to admit working down there etc

Fr Tod Umptious

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

The men in the video wouldn’t appear immediately to me , to be the usual scum lurking down there . More likely to be in tracksuits and trainers etc than black shoes and trousers

So possibly men after being on a night out ?

Says in the video that it took td 11 mins to walk a 6 min walk . Could be he was propositioned and declined

If a prostitute is out after 4am in weather like that she is desperate to pay someone she owes or for drugs that she needs for the next day

The man followed with intention to rob him


Just can’t tie in the clothing of the men to a typical pimp etc


I’m not for one moment saying td had any involvement with the women in that area but could have been propositioned


As will be pointed out , zero evidence that any working girls spoke to him but that doesn’t mean one didn’t. Might not want to come forward to admit working down there etc

The men in the video, the ones outside the BOI building are his colleagues
That has been well established.

The man outside the BOI building, sheltering behind the pillar, remains unidentified.

DarTipp

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The men in the video, the ones outside the BOI building are his colleagues
That has been well established.

The man outside the BOI building, sheltering behind the pillar, remains unidentified.

well said, what concerns is that his two colleagues are beside the 1st MIB (guy waiting 30mins outside BOI) yet they can't or could not remember anything about him at the time

DarTipp

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

The men in the video wouldn’t appear immediately to me , to be the usual scum lurking down there . More likely to be in tracksuits and trainers etc than black shoes and trousers

So possibly men after being on a night out ?

Says in the video that it took td 11 mins to walk a 6 min walk . Could be he was propositioned and declined

If a prostitute is out after 4am in weather like that she is desperate to pay someone she owes or for drugs that she needs for the next day

The man followed with intention to rob him


Just can’t tie in the clothing of the men to a typical pimp etc


I’m not for one moment saying td had any involvement with the women in that area but could have been propositioned


As will be pointed out , zero evidence that any working girls spoke to him but that doesn’t mean one didn’t. Might not want to come forward to admit working down there etc

1st MIB to me going by his clothing looks like a security or doorman of a nightclub type

KWAG2019

DarTipp wrote: »

1st MIB to me going by his clothing looks like a security or doorman of a nightclub type

I don’t think speculation about clothing in a 19 year old CCTV tape on a dark wet night from a quite poorly lit area will lead to any breakthroughs. We can convince ourselves of anything looking at it

Fiftyfilthy

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I don’t think speculation about clothing in a 19 year old CCTV tape on a dark wet night from a quite poorly lit area will lead to any breakthroughs. We can convince ourselves of anything looking at it

Yet it’s fine for you to speculate with your little story earlier?

wyrn

I've been reading about this case on Boards for many years and it's so interesting to see how Boards users theories have and haven't changed. When I first came across it, the running and most likely theory was to do with an unfortunate accident involving falling into the canal / Dodder. Ever since the Guards investigate that area in Chapelizod it seems something more sinister might have happened. They wouldn't go to all that trouble if they couldn't make a fairly strong case.



I found it so strange that they never mentioned his colleagues who were also by the man in black at the gate. It seemed one of those crime reporters (I think it was Donal MacIntyre or maybe Paul Williams) who had access to the longer CCTV footage which showed the three of them at the gate. I know they reported that they couldn't remember anything about him but I do find that weird that nothing struck them as odd. The man in black was standing outside the gate, in the rain at 3amish. Unless the person was someone a bit dodge and they didn't want to snitch and went off the record about it and that's why the guards never showed or mentioned that footage.



Either way, it's all fierce sad and I hope that someday his family will have closure as to what happened that night. He has such an amazing family and friends who really went out above and beyond. Without his friends I believe they wouldn't have that atm footage because by the time the guards requested video, it was too late from the other camera locations. Always think of Trevor and his family at this time of year.

Fr Tod Umptious

DarTipp wrote: »

well said, what concerns is that his two colleagues are beside the 1st MIB (guy waiting 30mins outside BOI) yet they can't or could not remember anything about him at the time

Probably because he was totally and utterly unremarkable.

How many people would a person see or interact with on a December Thursday night out ?

Lots

Then go and ask them the following Monday afternoon or Tuesday morning to recall those sightings or interactions.

Unless the person made an impression then you would be struggling to remember them.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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Probably because he was totally and utterly unremarkable.

How many people would a person see or interact with on a December Thursday night out ?

Lots

Then go and ask them the following Monday afternoon or Tuesday morning to recall those sightings or interactions.

Unless the person made an impression then you would be struggling to remember them.

They went to his work and looked in the gate...very strange.

Pops_20

Pheonix10 wrote: »

They went to his work and looked in the gate...very strange.

"They" are Trevor's work colleagues. They were trying to get in the gate just the same as he was.

They don't remember anything about the man at the gate because they were after a skinful of drink and there probably wasn't anything very remarkable about him. Even less so to be remembered after alcohol consumed.

The reason the guards never shared or mentioned this footage is because they ruled out his work colleagues already. Sharing the footage with the public won't help any further.

KWAG2019

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Yet it’s fine for you to speculate with your little story earlier?

I laid out the possibilities of what happened. Essentially for a person to disappear you have limited options based on the known facts. That’s not a story. A story is the guy in the CCTV was a doorman because it looks like that’s how he was dressed. Really?

Go back to the options.
TD disappeared because he wanted to.
He entered water (motive /cause unknown) and was swept out to sea.
He was knocked down and body dumped in large bins and accidentally disposed of or deliberately disposed of.
Violent altercation ( cause unknown) and because of where or who was involved body disposed of.

As another poster said pages ago: Car, sea or house.

Beyond that I don’t know what more we can reasonably say about the disappearance itself.

Fiftyfilthy

KWAG2019 wrote: »

There are reasons a single male would be in one spot for that long that would have nothing to do with whether TD came along or not.

In Ireland in 2000 premeditated murder and disposal of a body belongs to paramilitarism. There was a ceasefire since 1998 and there is no known reason that TD would be targeted. To my mind it’s a matter of looking at the simplest answer rather than imagining exotic possibilities.

There are a few very obvious possibilities. TD may have wished to disappear and done so. He may have entered water and his body swept out to sea. He may have had a violent altercation, died as a result and because of where he died and in whose company he died his body was disposed of. He may have been knocked down and his body disposed of.

I think there was a violent confrontation. His body was disposed of because the person involved had reason to fear Garda involvement much more than most. It threatened him particularly. There is something about this person that made them deeply frightened of the consequences of Garda involvement. It’s an unusual aspect of the case. Violent late night confrontations that end in death happen but can sometimes be manslaughter rather than murder. There was a huge risk to this person that prompted such a frightened response. It’s very odd.

There’s your little story, you speculate he was murdered. You think the murderer ‘feared’ the Garda?

No ****, most would if they had committed a murder


Yes, discussing the clothing on actual cctv foortage is ridiculous but fantasy stories of murder is ok based on your thoughts .....


Glad you cleared that up !

EmmetSpiceland

Pops_20 wrote: »

The reason the guards never shared or mentioned this footage is because they ruled out his work colleagues already. Sharing the footage with the public won't help any further.

That footage has the only image of the MIB looking directly in through the gate.

Why would they not have released that at the time? Or mention that someone, other than colleagues, waited there?

All that was said was that Trevor had a “brief conversation” with an unknown man at the gate.

It’s truly bizarre that for so many years it was never mentioned that a guy waited for 30-40 minutes, moves when TD arrives, follows him to the gate, speaks to him, waits some more and then leaves. The man didn’t appear to have any interest in the work colleagues when they arrive and leave.

Whether the MIB was involved in Trevor’s disappearance or not, he was certainly behaving in a very suspicious manner.

DarTipp

Pops_20 wrote: »

"They" are Trevor's work colleagues. They were trying to get in the gate just the same as he was.

They don't remember anything about the man at the gate because they were after a skinful of drink and there probably wasn't anything very remarkable about him. Even less so to be remembered after alcohol consumed.

The reason the guards never shared or mentioned this footage is because they ruled out his work colleagues already. Sharing the footage with the public won't help any further.

they (2 of them) were there looking through the gates/at the gates at the same time as the first MIB , they surely would have had some interaction ?

Fr Tod Umptious

DarTipp wrote: »

they (2 of them) were there looking through the gates/at the gates at the same time as the first MIB , they surely would have had some interaction ?

They might have had some interactions, but they were probably totally inconsequential.

Remember at the time they talked to him Trevor was not missing.

It was a full 4 days later that Trevor was missing.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Pops_20 wrote: »

"They" are Trevor's work colleagues. They were trying to get in the gate just the same as he was.

They don't remember anything about the man at the gate because they were after a skinful of drink and there probably wasn't anything very remarkable about him. Even less so to be remembered after alcohol consumed.

The reason the guards never shared or mentioned this footage is because they ruled out his work colleagues already. Sharing the footage with the public won't help any further.

Fair point. I know they weren't involved but it's strange that more colleagues were trying to get into the office that night. It's not standard to head back to your office at 3am when you'll be in at 9/10am the next morning?

Raconteuse

snotboogie wrote: »

Trevor does not look comfortable at all in the CCTV when interacting with the man outside the bank. Look at the video, Trevor takes an immediate defensive stance when confronted by the man, he grabs the gate with one hand, separating himself from the man in black and hurriedly fumbles with the keys to the gate while continuing to look him even after the man turns away.

To be fair, anyone would be uncomfortable. A stranger right next to you at half 3 in the morning when you're entering your workplace - any workplace let alone a bank! I'd be in a hurry to get in and get the gate locked behind me too.

I'm actually surprised Trevor didn't look even more uneasy.

Fr Tod Umptious

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Fair point. I know they weren't involved but it's strange that more colleagues were trying to get into the office that night. It's not standard to head back to your office at 3am when you'll be in at 9/10am the next morning?

No taxi service.

Colleague A will stay with colleague B that lives closer to the office rather than try head home.

Colleague A and B go back to office to collect colleague A's gear bag before heading to colleague B's apartment.

Plus it's a 24/7 work place.
Colleague C is working and others call in to shoot the breeze about the Christmas party.

They are young, they work together, they hang out together.

Like everything else in this case, there is very little remarkable or out of the ordinary about what the people we know about do and don't do.

Fr Tod Umptious

Raconteuse wrote: »

To be fair, anyone would be uncomfortable. A stranger right next to you at half 3 in the morning when you're entering your workplace - any workplace let alone a bank! I'd be in a hurry to get in and get the gate locked behind me too.

I'm actually surprised Trevor didn't look even more uneasy.

It was an asset management office
Not a commercial bank that would hold cash.

BDI

Some bizarre theories here.

If somebody hit him in their car why would they get out, put him inside and drive off without anybody noticing?

Why not drive off. Rediculous.

You dispose of a body when it can be tied back to you. Even gangland people shoot people in the street and leave them there.

He either went in the water or went to a place that if he was found would link him to the killer.

If he was killed the killer didn’t want it possible to prove he was dead. This is usually done when the killer is closely linked to the victim or the killer is worried about all the dna all over his kitchen and needs time.

It’s likely he was coerced into going to a knocking shop with better looking girls than the drug addicts in that area. The robber then planned on getting his bank card taking the limit you can take out in a day that night then probably the next night after beating the code out of him. This happens and has been known to happen in the area.

Tiger kidnappings and organized murder by people on their Christmas party are totally unbelievable and Alaskan vendettas are rediculous. Fella was probably waiting at the gate because he was trying to trick one of the stream of drunk posh looking men that seemed to be going from the pub to the office all evening into heading to his flat.

NuttyMcNutty

Maybe the person has come forward because the suspect is currently locked up for life.

Pheonix10

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Fair point. I know they weren't involved but it's strange that more colleagues were trying to get into the office that night. It's not standard to head back to your office at 3am when you'll be in at 9/10am the next morning?

I’m a bit puzzled myself by this. Going into the office at 3am or so after a night out. Was it to use email facilities which were then not so readily available outside work-emailing girlfriends, boyfriends or overseas relatives? Was it to catch up on some element of work missed on account of leaving early the evening before? Was there some slightly unapproved work practice going on, that the Gardaí left out of the account because it had no connection whatsoever with what happened?

I am always slightly skeptical about the narrative that seems to say it had nothing to do with his work/workplace other than to do with physical location of events.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m a bit puzzled myself by this. Going into the office at 3am or so after a night out. Was it to use email facilities which were then not so readily available outside work-emailing girlfriends, boyfriends or overseas relatives? Was it to catch up on some element of work missed on account of leaving early the evening before? Was there some slightly unapproved work practice going on, that the Gardaí left out of the account because it had no connection whatsoever with what happened?

I am always slightly skeptical about the narrative that seems to say it had nothing to do with his work/workplace other than to do with physical location of events.

It is a bit strange to go into work on your way home at 3am and check emails. Fair enough if he grabbed the brolly and left. It's a bit perplexing.

BDI

BDI wrote: »

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It’s likely he was coerced into going to a knocking shop with better looking girls than the drug addicts in that area. The robber then planned on getting his bank card taking the limit you can take out in a day that night then probably the next night after beating the code out of him. This happens and has been known to happen in the area. .............

Ah stop please, that's so disrespectful.

NuttyMcNutty wrote: »

Maybe the person has come forward because the suspect is currently locked up for life.

Things change, the suspect might well have less control or whatever over whoever is supplying the info.

wyrn

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m a bit puzzled myself by this. Going into the office at 3am or so after a night out. Was it to use email facilities which were then not so readily available outside work-emailing girlfriends, boyfriends or overseas relatives? Was it to catch up on some element of work missed on account of leaving early the evening before? Was there some slightly unapproved work practice going on, that the Gardaí left out of the account because it had no connection whatsoever with what happened?

I am always slightly skeptical about the narrative that seems to say it had nothing to do with his work/workplace other than to do with physical location of events.

He popped in and had a coffee I think. He also got an umbrella and it was on his way home, so it wasn't that unusual. Also back then, we didn't have the internet as widely available, so he could have been checking his emails too.



His 2 work colleagues stopped in because one had to grab their gym bag. There was no taxis that night and the other lad (I think) decided to crash with him for the night.

Omackeral

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m a bit puzzled myself by this. Going into the office at 3am or so after a night out. Was it to use email facilities which were then not so readily available outside work-emailing girlfriends, boyfriends or overseas relatives? Was it to catch up on some element of work missed on account of leaving early the evening before? Was there some slightly unapproved work practice going on, that the Gardaí left out of the account because it had no connection whatsoever with what happened?

Pheonix10 wrote: »

It is a bit strange to go into work on your way home at 3am and check emails. Fair enough if he grabbed the brolly and left. It's a bit perplexing.

It's been explained many times that his colleague was on a night shift in there at the time he dropped in. Not too outrageous to think he dropped in to say hello given the proximity and fill the work pal in on some of the xmas party craic.

BDI

Augeo wrote: »

Ah stop please, that's so disrespectful.



Things change, the suspect might well have less control or whatever over whoever is supplying the info.

He was a young single man working away from home. There’s no shame in it. Happens up and down Europe way more than you’d imagine. He’d a few soups on him and was in a red light district.

smelly sock

BDI wrote: »

Some bizarre theories here.

If somebody hit him in their car why would they get out, put him inside and drive off without anybody noticing?

Why not drive off. Rediculous.

You dispose of a body when it can be tied back to you. Even gangland people shoot people in the street and leave them there.

He either went in the water or went to a place that if he was found would link him to the killer.

If he was killed the killer didn’t want it possible to prove he was dead. This is usually done when the killer is closely linked to the victim or the killer is worried about all the dna all over his kitchen and needs time.

It’s likely he was coerced into going to a knocking shop with better looking girls than the drug addicts in that area. The robber then planned on getting his bank card taking the limit you can take out in a day that night then probably the next night after beating the code out of him. This happens and has been known to happen in the area.

Tiger kidnappings and organized murder by people on their Christmas party are totally unbelievable and Alaskan vendettas are rediculous. Fella was probably waiting at the gate because he was trying to trick one of the stream of drunk posh looking men that seemed to be going from the pub to the office all evening into heading to his flat.

Yeh. You can't rule out anything but the more people focus on outlandish theories of Alaskan involvement, Trevor being involved in an attempt to embezzle funds from BOI with a criminal organised gang or some odd ball standing on a busy street looking through a gate in the wet being a mastermind of avoiding detection the more likely this case won't be solved.

One thing we know for certain is Trevor was last seen in a notorious red light district where undesirables and criminal gangs carry out business. We know Trevor was full of booze also. People seem more fixated on trying to link someone who only came to light a few years ago after footage had been cleaned up. I mean if this was in any way connected or suspicious someone else at the gates that night would remember him. Focus on what we really know. That's the location and the criminal element and their business which they practice there. As hard as it maybe to swallow this is the most likely or all outcomes. We also know Trevor took a more indirect route home in a darker more uninhabited street.

Fr Tod Umptious

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m a bit puzzled myself by this. Going into the office at 3am or so after a night out. Was it to use email facilities which were then not so readily available outside work-emailing girlfriends, boyfriends or overseas relatives? .

Possibly, people did not have access to internet back then like they have today.

Deleted User wrote: »

Was it to catch up on some element of work missed on account of leaving early the evening before? .

Less likely.

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there some slightly unapproved work practice going on.

Even less likely.

Deleted User wrote: »

I am always slightly skeptical about the narrative that seems to say it had nothing to do with his work/workplace other than to do with physical location of events.

He was a junior IT guy in an asset management company.
He was not the kind of person that would have access to much of value in the overall scheme of things.

smelly sock

Augeo wrote: »

Ah stop please, that's so disrespectful.



Things change, the suspect might well have less control or whatever over whoever is supplying the info.

So we can only discuss Alaskan links and BOIAM money laundering but the more probable scenarios are off limits?

Again as one poster said no shame in it and its his business.

Fr Tod Umptious

smelly sock wrote: »

So we can only discuss Alaskan links and BOIAM money laundering but the more probable scenarios are off limits?

Again as one poster said no shame in it and its his business.

Connecting Trevor with prostitutes, drug dealers, money laundering etc is what got the last thread rightly shut down and ultimately deleted.
And dead right too.

smelly sock

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Connecting Trevor with prostitutes, drug dealers, money laundering etc is what got the last thread rightly shut down and ultimately deleted.
And dead right too.

Well this one should be shutdown to then. What's the point of it?

wyrn

smelly sock wrote: »

Well this one should be shutdown to then. What's the point of it?

The OP posted a new article that there's a new witness. It wasn't for speculation but to highlight that someone has come forward. Also the anniversary is on Sunday.

smelly sock

wyrn wrote: »

The OP posted a new article that there's a new witness. It wasn't for speculation but to highlight that someone has come forward. Also the anniversary is on Sunday.

A new Witness which media claim supports AGS's theory of Trevor being murdered after a row with a criminal gang.

wyrn

Just spotted this article from a couple of days ago. Not sure if it was in the original link, I couldn't get past the pay wall. There's a new imitative to display pictures of missing people on Deliveroo backpacks in Dublin and Cork during the month of December. It's part of the 'Bring Them Home' campaign to mark National Missing Persons Day. https://www.todayfm.com/news/pictures-missing-people-appear-deliveroo-backpacks-december-932976



I hope this initiative helps jogs someones memory. Those poor families.

KWAG2019

The key thing remains the absence of any physical trace. If you concentrate on a theory of violent altercation ( which includes several possibilities) the real question is (leaving aside a clash leading to an accidental entry into water)why dispose of the body? Why is that necessary?

A mugger runs. A hit and run driver runs. A one punch attacker runs. There is a different dynamic in play here.

If you leave the violent altercation aside and remember it took Trevor’s family to save the CCTV that is his last sighting, then other equally tragic outcomes come to the fore.

There seem to be well founded Garda suspicions about who was involved. I hope that a witness will settle it. If someone denied TD a proper resting place then it was an act of despicable cowardice.

smelly sock

KWAG2019 wrote: »

The key thing remains the absence of any physical trace. If you concentrate on a theory of violent altercation ( which includes several possibilities) the real question is (leaving aside a clash leading to an accidental entry into water)why dispose of the body? Why is that necessary?

A mugger runs. A hit and run driver runs. A one punch attacker runs. There is a different dynamic in play here.

If you leave the violent altercation aside and remember it took Trevor’s family to save the CCTV that is his last sighting, then other equally tragic outcomes come to the fore.

There seem to be well founded Garda suspicions about who was involved. I hope that a witness will settle it. If someone denied TD a proper resting place then it was an act of despicable cowardice.

Conor Whooley recently identified in a welsh graveyard after 36 years missing comes to mind.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/after-36-years-of-wondering-what-happened-to-him-conor-whooleys-family-finally-know-967979.html

Sad either way.

Snickers Man

tdf7187 wrote: »

the Lr Baggot Street area late at night was quite dodgy back then. The Spar used to be 24 hour or close to it and you'd get strange characters hanging around.

Yeah. They were called taxi drivers

But that was UPPER Baggot St.

And that Spar has gone now anyway. Being named in the papers as one of the outlets hit with an FSAI closure order because of a "significant rodent infestation" a couple of years ago probably didn't help.

Man Vs ManUre

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Possibly, people did not have access to internet back then like they have today.

Less likely.

Even less likely.

He was a junior IT guy in an asset management company.
He was not the kind of person that would have access to much of value in the overall scheme of things.

Back then it was a lot easier to access your work offices after hours than it is now. Sure there was security and access cards and all that and only staff would get in, but there wasn’t the same restrictions there us now with staff having to get extra mgmt approvals for after hours access. It wouldn’t have been odd to drop into the office if it was close, even if it was to just have a coffee or something. Some people would even drop into a city centre office and sleep at desk for few hrs and then get a 1st bus home in the morning.

Fr Tod Umptious

sugarman wrote: »

I think the new information they received 2 years ago was pretty credible, the person waived the €100k reward and told them on back of a guilty conscious where he was allegedly taken to, what happened (shot) and where he was said to be buried. I mean, why else would anyone make that kind of thing up?

Now theres another new witness thats said to back that up.

Theyre just missing the evidence.. He must have been buried elsewhere or perhaps moved over the years.

But why ?

Why go to the bother of moving the body of a guy that has no links to criminally and that many presume died by tragic accident on the way home from a Christmas party on a wet night ?

This is not Joe Peschi burying bodies in Goodfellas and having to dig them up again.

As others have said if there was an altercation and Trevor died as a result of it why go to all the bother.

KWAG2019

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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But why ?

Why go to the bother of moving the body of a guy that has no links to criminally and that many presume died by tragic accident on the way home from a Christmas party on a wet night ?

This is not Joe Peschi burying bodies in Goodfellas and having to dig them up again.

As others have said if there was an altercation and Trevor died as a result of it why go to all the bother.

I’m inclined to think the same about moving remains unless done very shortly afterwards to take power away from an accomplice. Staying with this theory the main mover in this has isolated themself by their actions. People can end up in terrible situations through following someone whose frightened nature is masked by violence. In time they see through them. Everyone deserves their final resting place known to their family.