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Compiling a list of FG poor performance

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    #992
    McMurphy
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    Anonymous internet usernames v the Taoiseach of the fupping country.

    Fair comparison and a salient observation.


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    #993
    Phoebas
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I think you'll find Leo tried first. Everyone else was re
    acting to Leo. First gaff of the election.
    Have a read back. The majority of the complaints against Varadkar were not that he politicised it, but that he was responsible for (the conditions that led to) it.


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    #994
    Plumbthedepths
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    Have a read back. The majority of the complaints against Varadkar were not that he politicised it, but that he was responsible for (the conditions that led to) it.

    You claimed posters here tried to score points first, all I 'm showing is that it was Leo first out of the traps to try and politicise the scandal. Noone here is to blame for Leo's behaviour.


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    #995
    nthclare
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    Wasn't this the party who took away the tax free allowance from separated and single fathers and made it so that they'll loose out on average 20 euros a week.

    Knowing that a lot of couples are estranged and leaving it up to the mother at her choice whether she'd relinquish that tax free allowance and pass it to the father if her earnings changed, and she didn't have to relinquish it if she didn't want to.
    Maybe the dad could go the legal route no doubt walking on hot coals and lots of drama in the process.

    Then proceed to take a tenner a week off the average worker every week incrementally between universal tax, paye, fuel and sugar hikes.

    So they were able to do this without people really noticing id say a lot of people are down 80 euros a week since this crowd came into government.


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    #996
    Snow Garden
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Yes, an accident. So why was Leo quizzed about it from would be journalists fishing for a story, getting ready for the blame game?

    Oh dear. Big mistake from Leo so early in the campaign. I think he needs a good nights sleep to be fair.

    Regina Doherty came on to the Tonight Show at 11pm and was asked about the mayor story. She said to Ivan/Matt that she was campaigning all day and it was the first she heard of it. The whole panel just smiled. More lies from FG.


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    #997
    McMurphy
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    Hard to fathom that no-one in FG circles didn't have the foresight and gumption to say to someone don't put a poster of the housing minister up there where your man's accident took place, and for one of Leo's handler's to tell him to make sure and keep his neck wound in a bit when asked about it.

    The millions they spent on the PR spin unit was absolutely wasted by the looks of things.


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    #998
    is_that_so
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    McMurphy wrote: »
    Hard to fathom that no-one in FG circles didn't have the foresight and gumption to say to someone don't put a poster of the housing minister up there where your man's accident took place, and for one of Leo's handler's to tell him to make sure and keep his neck wound in a bit when asked about it.

    The millions they spent on the PR spin unit was absolutely wasted by the looks of things.
    Oh, poster people can be quite thick in any organisation. All they see is a lovely empty pole! Even if it's not empty they'll still try to squeeze another one above the four already there!


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    #999
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    https://twitter.com/iancognito16/status/1217738403007037440


    Leo is terrible in public, reminds me of Scott Morrison's performance recently in Australia


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    #1000
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/iancognito16/status/1217738403007037440


    Leo is terrible in public, reminds me of Scott Morrison's performance recently in Australia

    What was said, very poor audio?


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    #1001
    FrancieBrady
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/iancognito16/status/1217738403007037440


    Leo is terrible in public, reminds me of Scott Morrison's performance recently in Australia

    For someone who should be so careful now more than ever, to dispel the 'arrogance' tag, that is awful. has he or his minders never heard of 'cameras'? Whatever about what she was asking, you can see it is a serious question, you cannot walk away from it, or be seen to be 'rescued' from it.

    2 days on the trot.


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    #1002
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What was said, very poor audio?

    Here she is explaining her questions herself.

    https://twitter.com/0atmilk/status/1217523621666664449

    Not overly important versus his immediate disdain and about face


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    #1003
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    For someone who should be so careful now more than ever, to dispel the 'arrogance' tag, that is awful. has he or his minders never heard of 'cameras'? Whatever about what she was asking, you can see it is a serious question, you cannot walk away from it, or be seen to be 'rescued' from it.

    2 days on the trot.

    I'm honestly shocked at the spin the Indo Reporter puts on it, and then the complete puff piece following him around for the day.

    Honestly expect that level from his own campaign team and NOT from a member of the media.


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    #1004
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Here she is explaining her questions herself.

    https://twitter.com/0atmilk/status/1217523621666664449

    Not overly important versus his immediate disdain and about face

    Yeah it was hard to know was Hugh having a go at the woman or Leo. I've since seen a transcript of what she asked. It was reasonable but again Leo doesn't like to answer questions with anything other than a soundbite, contempt then is his goto.
    Not a great start for Leo as I said earlier.


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    #1005
    is_that_so
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    Not his finest moment but based on what she said there was a fair bit of grandstanding going on. Kitchen sink comments are very hard to respond to. Candidates will walk from that but they need to do so politely by thanking people for their time. I think if she'd zoned in on just one thing he would have engaged.


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    #1006
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not his finest moment but based on what she said there was a fair bit of grandstanding going on. Kitchen sink comments are very hard to respond to. Candidates will walk from that but they need to do so politely by thanking people for their time. I think if she'd zoned in on just one thing he would have engaged.

    Public questions are often like this though, people are frustrated and not used to having the leader's ear so everything gets asked in one scatter-gun question.

    Any political leader, worth their salt, can answer or engage on such even if to throw out statistics of how they are doing the job.

    The blonde lady immediately coming to the rescue and the look of total disregard on Leo's face are shocking.
    Also, don't put your back to the wall and engage in a Q&A literally surrounded by people, if you can not handle when the questions get uncomfortable, there is no graceful exit.


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    #1007
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm honestly shocked at the spin the Indo Reporter puts on it, and then the complete puff piece following him around for the day.

    Honestly expect that level from his own campaign team and NOT from a member of the media.

    Hugh Connell even when he was with the Journal.ie was always sympathetic towards FG, maybe it's helped in part by his sister being a FG TD.
    Posters on the Journal used to refer to him as ' true blue Hugh'.


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    #1008
    FrancieBrady
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    I think you might see Leo getting the Kenny treatment soon.

    Remember the jokes about FG having Enda locked in a cellar?


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    #1009
    markodaly
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm honestly shocked at the spin the Indo Reporter puts on it, and then the complete puff piece following him around for the day.

    Honestly expect that level from his own campaign team and NOT from a member of the media.

    I guess you aren't shocked at the level of racism on display on the subsequent Twitter thread?

    This is going to a lonnng campaign for the perpetually outraged if this gets them so worked up.


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    #1010
    markodaly
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I think you might see Leo getting the Kenny treatment soon.

    Remember the jokes about FG having Enda locked in a cellar?

    When VB told him Enda should go away and kill himself, those 'jokes'? :rolleyes:


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    #1011
    Snow Garden
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    markodaly wrote: »
    When VB told him Enda should go away and kill himself, those 'jokes'? :rolleyes:

    I thought Bertie told Morgan Kelly to kill himself?

    Did VB say that to Enda?


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    #1012
    FrancieBrady
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    markodaly wrote: »
    When VB told him Enda should go away and kill himself, those 'jokes'? :rolleyes:

    No, the ones about FG having Enda locked in a cellar because his arrogance was showing.


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    #1013
    Plumbthedepths
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    markodaly wrote: »
    When VB told him Enda should go away and kill himself, those 'jokes'? :rolleyes:

    Not VB's greatest moment but it gave Enda the prefect excuse to avoid any interview with VB.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/vincent-browne-to-apologise-over-kenny-remark-30969-Oct2010/


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    #1014
    Plumbthedepths
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I thought Bertie told Morgan Kelly to kill himself?

    Did VB say that to Enda?

    Nope this is what Bertie said.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/taoiseach-apologises-for-suicide-comments-1.809130


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    #1015
    Riva10
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    Given his successes (Few) and failures (Many) Leo will best be remembered for elevating The Wolf Tones redition of "Come out ye Black and Tans to The UK's best selling record. No mean feat imo.:rolleyes::D


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    #1016
    markodaly
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not VB's greatest moment but it gave Enda the prefect excuse to avoid any interview with VB.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/vincent-browne-to-apologise-over-kenny-remark-30969-Oct2010/

    He was 100% correct to avoid him. A despicable comment to make when so many people commit suicide every year.


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    #1017
    Plumbthedepths
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    markodaly wrote: »
    He was 100% correct to avoid him. A despicable comment to make when so many people commit suicide every year.

    Enda avoided alot of people, he once fell over a flower pot trying to avoid questions from Ursula Halligan. I believe Endas chief of staff tried to alledge Halligan assaulted Enda. I'll have a look for the relevant piece.
    Got it....


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    #1018
    Plumbthedepths
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    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/endas-relationship-with-media-gone-to-flower-pot-26878323.html


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    #1019
    blanch152
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    McMurphy wrote: »
    Hard to fathom that no-one in FG circles didn't have the foresight and gumption to say to someone don't put a poster of the housing minister up there where your man's accident took place, and for one of Leo's handler's to tell him to make sure and keep his neck wound in a bit when asked about it.

    The millions they spent on the PR spin unit was absolutely wasted by the looks of things.


    Are you suggesting that they put the poster up after the incident, and in full knowledge of it?

    Of all the conspiracy theories around here, that is the most bizarre.


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    #1020
    blanch152
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    nthclare wrote: »
    Wasn't this the party who took away the tax free allowance from separated and single fathers and made it so that they'll loose out on average 20 euros a week.

    Knowing that a lot of couples are estranged and leaving it up to the mother at her choice whether she'd relinquish that tax free allowance and pass it to the father if her earnings changed, and she didn't have to relinquish it if she didn't want to.
    Maybe the dad could go the legal route no doubt walking on hot coals and lots of drama in the process.
    .


    Do you see something wrong with empowering separated women to make financial choices for themselves independent from the man they used to be married to?


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    #1021
    blanch152
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    markodaly wrote: »
    When VB told him Enda should go away and kill himself, those 'jokes'? :rolleyes:

    Vincent Browne was chairperson of Young FG in college. Later on, he wanted to run in the elections for FG but John Bruton laughed him out the door. He never said a good word about FG ever again.


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