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Compiling a list of FG poor performance

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    #1352
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Leo being caught out spoofing about vulture funds and what property they own in the state, just now on Newstalk.

    Pat Kenny asked leo about the vulture funds figures be used last night on the debate, when they were talked about last night, Leo said the reality is that vulture funds/cuckoo's are only responsible for 1 or 2% of all transactions in the state.

    Kenny said that basically that the research has shown what they own property wise as standalone residential properties, it's more to be in the mid 40% range, because whilst they're responsible for a few percent of transactions, they bulk buy - ie a private homeowner buying their own house to live in is certainly not the same as one transaction by a vulture funds group buying 3/400 apartments as an apartment block.

    Leo sounded like he was completely and utterly rumbled at being disingenuous.

    Just like the mysterious fall in homeless figures and the daft prices figures fall. They're massaging the numbers or else not presenting the statistics in context.


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    #1353
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    smurgen wrote: »
    Just like the mysterious fall in homeless figures and the daft prices figures fall. They're massaging the numbers or else not presenting the statistics in context.

    Or maybe the numbers are falling.
    I love all this tinfoil hat stuff.

    Numbers on the up! Blame FG
    Numbers on the way down! Blame FG for fudging the numbers.

    What next? Blame FG if Ireland loses to Wales on Saturday?


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    #1354
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    markodaly wrote: »
    Or maybe the numbers are falling.
    I love all this tinfoil hat stuff.

    Numbers on the up! Blame FG
    Numbers on the way down! Blame FG for fudging the numbers.

    What next? Blame FG if Ireland loses to Wales on Saturday?

    But with the vulture/Cuckoo fund, transaction figures Leo was fudging the figures.

    It's misleading to say that they're only responsible for 1 or 2% of all property transactions, if the property's they're buying are entire apartment complexes.

    You cannot accidentally forget to mention that, that's purposely misleading trying to defend what's going on.


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    #1355
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    smurgen wrote: »
    The Moriarty tribunals is another one. At a large cost to the state and exposing inherent corruption enda Kenny said "this report will not be allowed to gather dust". It seems gathering dust is exactly what happened. Can anyone tell me any changes FG enacted after it?

    TBF, Eoghan Murphy's father made 2.3m out of that, so it wasn't for nothing.....

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/article30638849.ece


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    #1356
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Leo being caught out spoofing about vulture funds and what property they own in the state, just now on Newstalk.

    Pat Kenny asked leo about the vulture funds figures be used last night on the debate, when they were talked about last night, Leo said the reality is that vulture funds/cuckoo's are only responsible for 1 or 2% of all transactions in the state.

    Kenny said that basically that the research has shown what they own property wise as standalone residential properties, it's more to be in the mid 40% range, because whilst they're responsible for a few percent of transactions, they bulk buy - ie a private homeowner buying their own house to live in is certainly not the same as one transaction by a vulture funds group buying 3/400 apartments as an apartment block.

    Leo sounded like he was completely and utterly rumbled at being disingenuous.

    Are you telling me Jinglejangles and Blanch are spinning lies? The poor lads will be beside themselves when they read this. That's two votes you just lost yourself Mr. Varadkar, for shame!


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    #1357
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    TBF, Eoghan Murphy's father made 2.3m out of that, so it wasn't for nothing.....

    Was it the father or the grandfather that looked after Gay Byrne's financial affairs?


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    #1358
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Are you telling me Jinglejangles and Blanch are spinning lies? The poor lads will be beside themselves when they read this. That's two votes you just lost yourself Mr. Varadkar, for shame!

    Well put it this way, if you met two lads down the pub, both said they only owned the one residential property.

    It later emerges that one owned one semi d in Tallaght, the other was an entire complex with 400 apartments, including several rooftop penthouses, you'd definitely get the impression one was being carless with the truth.


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    #1359
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Was it the father or the grandfather that looked after Gay Byrne's financial affairs?

    The Grandfather.


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    #1360
    thequarefellow
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭thequarefellow


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Was it the father or the grandfather that looked after Gay Byrne's financial affairs?

    Eoghan Murphy's grandfather Russel Murphy.

    "In a 1998 interview, Gay Byrne's daughter Crona put the former Late Late Show host's losses at £160,000.

    "I remember the day dad got the call only too well," said Crona, who was Russell's god-daughter.

    "I'll never forget seeing dad that evening. He couldn't talk. He couldn't look at us. His best friend had cleaned him out," she added".


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    #1361
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    thequarefellow wrote: »
    Eoghan Murphy's grandfather Russel Murphy.

    "In a 1998 interview, Gay Byrne's daughter Crona put the former Late Late Show host's losses at £160,000.

    "I remember the day dad got the call only too well," said Crona, who was Russell's god-daughter.

    "I'll never forget seeing dad that evening. He couldn't talk. He couldn't look at us. His best friend had cleaned him out," she added".


    Apparently Eoghan Murphy doesn't like it in the least if it's ever mentioned in his company. I can kind of understand why - he's not responsible for his grandfathers misdeeds. I don't know how true this is, but I've heard Eoghan Murphy's father spent a long time repaying the money that was ripped off from the grandfather's clients as a debt of honour and to recover the family's name.


    That said, Eoghan Murphy is a ****e minister


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    #1362
    thequarefellow
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭thequarefellow


    Yurt! wrote: »

    That said, Eoghan Murphy is a ****e minister

    He is absolutely appalling. He will surely not be re-elected.






    Who am I kidding?:rolleyes:


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    #1363
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Anyone know where Eoghan Murphy (FG) ,Simon Harris(FG) , Timmy Dooley (FF) and Niall Collins (FF) are hiding? Are they waiting for the GE to be over to emerge from under a rock?


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    #1364
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,659 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Anyone know where Eoghan Murphy (FG) ,Simon Harris(FG) , Timmy Dooley (FF) and Niall Collins (FF) are hiding? Are they waiting for the GE to be over to emerge from under a rock?

    You can add Regina Doherty and Charlie Flanagan to that list as well?


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    #1365
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Floppybits wrote: »
    You can add Regina Doherty and Charlie Flanagan to that list as well?

    Charlie and Regina were on a few of the debates, but happily from the polls in each of their constituencies it looks like the gravy train will be leaving them on the platform.


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    #1366
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Is it fair to say Simon Harris dodged the whole election campaign?


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    #1367
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Is it fair to say Simon Harris dodged the whole election campaign?


    Him and Timmy Dooley have been locked away in the same bunker for weeks now.


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    #1368
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Him and Timmy Dooley have been locked away in the same bunker for weeks now.

    And Eoghan Murphy.

    Rumours are flying that Paschal Donohoe is in serious danger of losing his seat, I don't mind Paschal, I think he's a decent sort, but if this is true, FG could be in serious trouble?


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    #1369
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    McMurphy wrote: »
    And Eoghan Murphy.

    Rumours are flying that Paschal Donohoe is in serious danger of losing his seat, I don't mind Paschal, I think he's a decent sort, but if this is true, FG could be in serious trouble?

    If he does lose his seat then it could be a slaughter.
    I would also look at him as a decent sort but it looks as if he is in a bit of four corner fight there for one of the last three seats with FF, SD`s and the Greens.

    If his running mate doesn`t poll a reasonable vote and transfer well he could be in serious trouble as everyone else in the field is left or center left
    If it comes down to Christy Burke`s transfers he will be gone I imagine.


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    #1370
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    McMurphy wrote: »
    And Eoghan Murphy.

    Rumours are flying that Paschal Donohoe is in serious danger of losing his seat, I don't mind Paschal, I think he's a decent sort, but if this is true, FG could be in serious trouble?

    Seemingly his one regret is the NCH over run. I think one is enough.

    Here is the photo of the 2020 election:

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    #1371
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Is it fair to say Simon Harris dodged the whole election campaign?

    Add Eoghan Murphy to that list. A clear indication that they are aware of their failures.

    Yet they could well be smugly back in their portfolios in a few weeks.


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    #1372
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Add Eoghan Murphy to that list. A clear indication that they are aware of their failures.

    Yet they could well be smugly back in their portfolios in a few weeks.

    Doubtful.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/a-fking-disaster-fine-gael-source-blasts-d4-boys-as-party-set-to-lose-15-seats-980300.html


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    #1373
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Doubtful.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/a-fking-disaster-fine-gael-source-blasts-d4-boys-as-party-set-to-lose-15-seats-980300.html
    That's the old adage about opinions and assholes! 3rd term is really the big thing and a much better response to the housing issues might have seen them get to that promised land. Some of those losses will be a drop in the FPV vote and lead to second seats falling away.


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    #1374
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's the old adage about opinions and assholes! 3rd term is really the big thing and a much better response to the housing issues might have seen them get to that promised land. Some of those losses will be a drop in the FPV vote and leading to second seats falling away.

    The pushed ahead with policies that made matters worse and were arrogant and dismissive. The party lost momentum and the backing of the public before Kenny bowed out.


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    #1375
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Add Eoghan Murphy to that list. A clear indication that they are aware of their failures.

    Yet they could well be smugly back in their portfolios in a few weeks.

    Whatever way it pans out, I cannot see Eoghan Murphy back as Minister for Housing.


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    #1376
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The pushed ahead with policies that made matters worse and were arrogant and dismissive. The party lost momentum and the backing of the public before Kenny bowed out.
    I think there was also a case of imagining that just providing loads of money would get it all going.


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    #1377
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The pushed ahead with policies that made matters worse and were arrogant and dismissive. The party lost momentum and the backing of the public before Kenny bowed out.

    2011-2016 was where the greater damage was done. 2016 until now just added to it.


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    #1378
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    charlie14 wrote: »
    2011-2016 was where the greater damage was done. 2016 until now just added to it.
    I'd disagree, as the first 3 years of the first governments were Troika controlled. Not properly responding from 2016, especially on the issue of actually getting social housing built was more damaging.


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    #1379
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I'd disagree, as the first 3 years of the first governments were Troika controlled. Not properly responding from 2016, especially on the issue of actually getting social housing built was more damaging.

    They were doing ok popularity wise when the Troika were around, so I see your point and should have said 2014 - 2016 when most of the damage was done.
    The social housing issue this term has done damage, but the NCH and Verona Murphy, Bailey, Dara Murphy and Farrell all so close to this election did major damage as well. NBP didn`t help either.


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    #1380
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I'd disagree, as the first 3 years of the first governments were Troika controlled. Not properly responding from 2016, especially on the issue of actually getting social housing built was more damaging.

    Irish Water was a kick in the arse to every person, myself included, who bought into Kenny's spin.
    I knew what they were but I figured we were in such a bad way FG would put their petty greed aside for the country.
    When I hear bull about no money for things to help the tax payer I think Irish Water, IW Board appointments, Siteserv deal, consultants, Reilly's clinics.
    More recently leasing and buying over building and of course the NCH scandal.


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    #1381
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    McMurphy wrote: »
    And Eoghan Murphy.

    Rumours are flying that Paschal Donohoe is in serious danger of losing his seat, I don't mind Paschal, I think he's a decent sort, but if this is true, FG could be in serious trouble?

    seems like a nice man, but wouldnt say boo to a goose! varadkar has to be one of the biggest spoofers to ever grace this planet.. I see the indo today had some FG backbenchers, really furious over the seat loss. How in a party with thousands of members, in a country of five million. Can they seriously not get ONE fcuking COMPETENT , LEADER?

    Zero point if there is a leadership challenge, in putting in POD or probably even Coveney. They need a nice face and a hard liner in my opinion


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