Compiling a list of FG poor performance

McMurphy

charlie14 wrote: »

Who knows.

They did get bad press from the awarding of a mobile phone licence on the actions of the then Minister from the 2011 Moriarty Tribunal
report. A report that may yet put a major dent in State finances from an on-going court case.


Not that the bad press seems to have bothered them too much.

The same individual is involved in another inquiry into the sale of Siteserv..

What a question Charlie!

Coillte_Bhoy

charlie14 wrote: »

So rinse and repeat from just 3 years ago!


FG/Lab gave us the Irish Water clusterfcuk.
Labour won seats in 2011 on a promise of guard dogs that would keep Fine Gael from going power mad. Soon as they got their backsides on cabinet seats they turned into lapdogs.

And they did, just try and imagine how far austerity would have gone without a leash on FG

charlie14

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

And they did, just try and imagine how far austerity would have gone without a leash on FG

I voted for them in the belief they would and it turned out to be a very flimsy paper leash.
Labour sold their souls for cabinet posts in 2011.

Campaigned against water metering and Alan Kelly becomes attack dog for it ffs.
Labour will never get another vote from me ever at any level

charlie14

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

What a question Charlie!

I`m sure there will be someone along shortly to tell me there is a perfectly plausible explanation.
That or I imagined it and none of it ever happened.

Geuze

Boggles wrote: »

So a health system that is getting progressively worse is not the fault of a governance that have been in power 9 years?

Who do we hold accountable, the Smurfs?

Trade unions and doctors.

They run the hosps, not the HSE.

HSE managers are not managers like a Dunnes Stores manager, they are more like administrators.

smurgen

Party is ****ed.its gonna be damage limitations til ff get in

Idbatterim

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

And they did, just try and imagine how far austerity would have gone without a leash on FG

I don’t really agree. I think the country would be in a better place if labor didn’t hamstring fg and create the usual fudge

various artistes

Where would you even start

- plans for minimum alcohol unit pricing, because we aren't shafted enough by insurance, rent, saving for a mortgage deposit et al

- Harris asleep at the wheel re the children's hospital

- Leo seemingly more concerned with kissing the EU hole re Brexit instead of working with the Brits to implement a system their voters democratically voted for

- failing to implement any sort of price regulation on insurance, or setting up a state firm to offer no frills not for profit insurance

- spending millions on Irish citizens abroad who least deserve assistance while abandoning people who find themselves in stick without adaquate travel insurance (Lisa Smith, Ibrahim Halawa)

- talking about affordable housing schemes every year since at least 2015 but failing to actually build any where they are needed most (chiefly in the Dublin council areas- regional towns have a glut of affordable purchase property and require little to no provision of affordable and social housing)

- Both Leo and Murphy stuttering and claiming an affordable home was anywhere between 310 and 360k IIRC. The answer to the housing crisis is simple- set up a state development company. Anyone who works in construction will tell you an average large site typically only has a handful of direct staff- the project manager, the site manager, possibly one or two full time labourers. Everyone else is contracted. The state sets one of these up, and builds on public land, they can deliver 3 bed homes for 140K a pop instead of antywhere between 200k and 330k when they use private developers. And yes- build "another Ballymun" they're so keen to avoid. The state needs large scale social estates, not 20 and 30 houses tacked on to the edge of existing estates like they're currently persuing. If they want a mixed social makeup, make all estates 30 percent social, 70 percent cost price purchase (140K). Scrotes gonna scrote, and network with other scrotes, whether they live in an inner city flat block or a street where 10 percent of homes are Part V.

- The slow move towards privatisation of our remaining state companies. Go Ahead Buses creeping into Dublin with their crap service and foreign drivers happy to work for pittance wages. An Post was once a great job- today the starting pay is dirt and the postmen are now dressed more like couriers, cheap shirts and shorts, using rental vans, it's a deliberate start to selling it off.

- the unrealistic approach to unaccompanied learner drivers. If they want to take them off the road, start at the root- implement driver education as a leaving cert subject in transition year. Just another money spinning load of **** from that spoofer Ross.

- giving too much power to coalition eejits. Ross and his new idea every week for the roads, Zappone raiding other budgets to bring man children from Calais (given she handed back 60 million unspent this year did this ever even fully go ahead?)

- Alan Kelly delivering a paltry number of modular homes that, of course, came in at something like twice his budget and more expensive than brick and mortar homes that would stand for centuries rather than 30 years or whatever the modular span was

- why did Frances Fitzgerald claim Syrian refugees would not be bumped to the top of housing lists, when that's exactly what happened? Why are we slowly moving towards an atmosphere where the left are gong to get their way with Direct Provision, with instant social housing allocation on arrival? All in the middle of a chronic housing crisis.

- why has Leo suggested to the Central Bank that the mortgage lending rules be relaxed from the 3.5 times income 10 percent deposit rule? While we hear of the headline figure of 380k for a house in Dublin, the reality in working class to middle class of north and west Dublin for a 3 bed is actually from 160K (kips like Darndale) to 220- 260k (reasonable areas of Blanch, Tallaght, Clondalkin etc). If a couple can't save 25,000 between them in one year they're eating too much smashed avocado. Life is hard. Want a deposit, pretend you're on the dole, limit your expenditure to 205 euro per week each, maximum, save the rest. You'd be surprised how buying Tuborg instead of Carlsberg, only drinking in Wetherspoons and bringing your own lunch to work adds up over a week.

- why did Leo promise he would be the Taoiseach for those who get up early and then continue the 5 euro a week welfare rise? (welfare rises are important for the long term genuinely ill and the pensioners who paid their stamps for 50 years, not for the Margaret Cash's in an era of full employment)

- Judge Martin Nolan. I seem to remember years ago Michael McDowell (a prick, but anyway) spoke out against lenient sentencing and the judiciary threatened to go on strike. Are they afraid to tackle them?

That's enough for now, it's bad to be this angry on a Saturday. The sad fact is that there in't a single party representing the working class of Ireland. FG are Europhiles, nothing but employees of Brussels. The hard left are complete nutters who have a genuine hatred for actual working class men. The new fringe right parties, jesus christ, Taoiseach Justin Barrett and Tanaiste Gemma, in saying that the wastes of skin who vote hard left seem to be becoming disillusioned with their foreigners first policies, as shown when Gemma got 80 percent as many votes as the SF candidate in Fingal. It's not improbable they will take seats off the PBP etc but they strike me as being as inept as the left, and as beholden to the catholic cult as PBP are to Marxism.

I'll be voting FF, Micheal Martin seems like another Europhile but jesus he surely can't be any worse than Leo, Coveney, Harris and the independent clowns they travel with.

Loafing Oaf

various artistes wrote: »

The new fringe right parties, jesus christ, Taoiseach Justin Barrett and Tanaiste Gemma, in saying that the wastes of skin who vote hard left seem to be becoming disillusioned with their foreigners first policies, as shown when Gemma got 80 percent as many votes as the SF candidate in Fingal. It's not improbable they will take seats off the PBP etc

It's more than improbable. That crew have never come within an ass's roar of taking a Dail seat, even back in the 1990s when a fair chunk of the population did share their ultra-Catholic beliefs

SafeSurfer

eagle eye wrote: »

Fine Gael did something with the mental health budget in this country which had, and still has, very mentally ill people on the streets. Suddenly a new category, called something like behavioral issues was deemed as not a mental health concern. This led to murders by those released from psychiatric units which should never have happened. Of course the public didn't hear much about this because in a lot of cases there was no trial as those who committed the murders were then considered not mentally fit to stand trial.

This was Varadkar’s last act as Health Minister and has had a long lasting and devastating impact.

“In one of his final acts as Minister for Health, Varadkar cut €12 million from the €35 million allocated to that year's budget for mental health care, telling the Dáil that the cuts were "necessary as the funding could be better used elsewhere."

various artistes

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

It's more than improbable. That crew have never come within an ass's roar of taking a Dail seat, even back in the 1990s when a fair chunk of the population did share their ultra-Catholic beliefs

Yes, but back then other parties didn't really get a look in and immigration didn't exit to a level where it put strain on housing and services. Not to mention the governments of the day were still pretty conservative, giving little more than lip service like legalising homosexuality (which hadn't been prosecuted in decades)

In 1997 the left took 24 seats, in 2016 they took at least 34. 23 of those were SF, there is little to suggest they will get nearly this many again, they largely bombed in the by elections, European elections and the presidential.


The hard left has two sets of supporters- crusty student types who ascribe completely to the Marxist bits, the open borders, the internationalism, and then your Dee Wall, Ben Gilroy followers, who hear a snippet about unlimited dole and free housing but don't research the rest of it. SF and the PBP- AAA look set for a major wipe out next election, whether their supporters simply don't bother voting for a anyone or switch to the lunatic right fringe remains to be seen.

The right suffers from an image problem. Look at Salvini, Farage, Trump, Putin. Love them or loathe them they project an image of being men's men.

Justin Barrett? I'd be worried leaving him alone with my dog tbh.

Boggles

various artistes wrote: »

they largely bombed in the by elections,

SF and The Greens won a seat each.

various artistes

Boggles wrote: »

SF and The Greens won a seat each.

SF won a single seat against a hated incumbent government. They bombed in the EU and presidential elections. Mary Lou is a loudmouth, aggressive failed FF'er careerist and it's not going down well with the public.

Their candidate in Fingal got a whopping 25%, or 300 odd more votes, than a candidate who spends her time hanging out with scaldy knackbags like Dee Wall and Angela Ray, that believes the government is trying to change children's gender via unicorn printed towels, that they are spraying mind control chemicals via commercial airliners, and that high ranking political paedophiles are duty bound by oath to never utter the name of Jesus.

Given Dublin Fingal is a largely well off electoral district (despite the name it doesn't include Blanch, aside from Balbriggan and Swords its built up areas are largely wealthy places like Malahide, Portmarnock, Skerries) it shows that this loon managed, in that area at least, to steal a significant proportion of the dole class who would normally vote SF et al.

McMurphy

Boggles wrote: »

SF and The Greens won a seat each.

Where four seats are up for grabs, winning half of those between them means bombed apparently.

Boggles

various artistes wrote: »

SF won a single seat against a hated incumbent government. They bombed in the EU and presidential elections. Mary Lou is a loudmouth, aggressive failed FF'er careerist and it's not going down well with the public.

Their candidate in Fingal got a whopping 25%, or 300 odd more votes, than a candidate who spends her time hanging out with scaldy knackbags like Dee Wall and Angela Ray, that believes the government is trying to change children's gender via unicorn printed towels, that they are spraying mind control chemicals via commercial airliners, and that high ranking political paedophiles are duty bound by oath to never utter the name of Jesus.

Given Dublin Fingal is a largely well off electoral district (despite the name it doesn't include Blanch, aside from Balbriggan and Swords its built up areas are largely wealthy places like Malahide, Portmarnock, Skerries) it shows that this loon managed, in that area at least, to steal a significant proportion of the dole class who would normally vote SF et al.

Okay.

But when you said the "Left" parties bombed in the by elections.

What actually happened (reality).

Is they took 50% of the seats on offer.

So in reality they didn't "bomb", they had a very successful by election in terms of actual seats won.

Loafing Oaf

various artistes wrote: »

SF and the PBP- AAA look set for a major wipe out next election, whether their supporters simply don't bother voting for a anyone or switch to the lunatic right fringe remains to be seen.

Well it also 'remains to be seen' whether their supporters will move en masse to the DUP in the Westminster election, but tbh I don't see that as much less unlikely than them switching in large numbers to Identity Ireland or whoever.

Boggles

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Where four seats are up for grabs, winning half of those between them means bombed apparently.

FF "bombed" as well so.

McMurphy

Boggles wrote: »

FF "bombed" as well so.

Very tough adjudicator.

eagle eye

Some great stuff here about Fine Gael. I could nearly run for election as an independent and use all the stuff in this thread to get people to vote for me.

various artistes

Boggles wrote: »

Okay.

But when you said the "Left" parties bombed in the by elections.

What actually happened (reality).

Is they took 50% of the seats on offer.

So in reality they didn't "bomb", they had a very successful by election in terms of actual seats won.

Are you a SF member per chance? You seem a little upset.

The Green Party are the upper class left. Possibly got a few votes from the former student activist types who have grown out of the PBP but by and large not a working class vote.

SF won a single seat. Prior to that they shedded nearly 130,000 European votes since 2014 in a time when the incumbent party is deeply unpopular, losing Liadh Ni Riada and ultimate champagne socialist Lynn Boylan in the process. In the presidential election Liadh got 160,000 less votes than Martin McGuinness did in 2011, and add to that the baggage his IRA membership carried. As reference, when the troubles were in full swing SF managed around 3 percent of the vote.

Again, the cult got barely 25 percent more than a mentally unstable conspiracy theorist managed. And it is highly likely a lot of her votes were from former SF voters.

If the cult can't recognise that as bombing I don't know what is.

Boggles

various artistes wrote: »

Are you a SF member per chance? You seem a little upset.
.

No.

But you seem a little upset.

Basic maths has upset you.

Maybe take a break.

eagle eye

various artistes wrote:

If the cult can't recognise that as bombing I don't know what is.

Who cares? This thread is about Fine Gael's ineptness not about SF, Greens etc.

various artistes

Boggles wrote: »

No.

But you seem a little upset.

Basic maths has upset you.

Maybe take a break.

Sitting governments generally don't do well in by elections.

SF, who back in 2016 were growing so exponentially they were touted as future government members, have bombed in preceding council elections, EU elections, presidential elections, and have narrowly beaten a mentally unhinged conspiracy theorist.

If I was a member I would be worried by this. I don't see how it can continue as a single party under Mary Lou, I feel a split (a more popular split than Aontu) is inevitable than the FG lite neoliberal party they are turning into.

McMurphy

various artistes wrote: »

Are you a SF member per chance? You seem a little upset.

You don't have to be either a SF member (or Green for that matter) or "a little upset" to point out when someone is clearly talking through their hoop you know.

You said they "largely bombed in the bye elections", they won half the seats available between them, it's simple facts.

No point huffing and stamping the feet when hoop talking gets pointed out to you.

Boggles

various artistes wrote: »

Sitting governments generally don't do well in by elections.

SF, who back in 2016 were growing so exponentially they were touted as future government members, have bombed in preceding council elections, EU elections, presidential elections, and have narrowly beaten a mentally unhinged conspiracy theorist.

If I was a member I would be worried by this. I don't see how it can continue as a single party under Mary Lou, I feel a split (a more popular split than Aontu) is inevitable than the FG lite neoliberal party they are turning into.

That's great. But it doesn't change the fact that the "left" parties won 50% of the by election seats.

various artistes

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

You don't have to be either a SF member (or Green for that matter) or "a little upset" to point out when someone is clearly talking through their hoop you know.

You said they "largely bombed in the bye elections", they won half the seats available between them, it's simple facts.

No point huffing and stamping the feet when hoop talking gets pointed out to you.

In one constituency they narrowly scraped past a mentally ill conspiracy theorist. A constituency that in the 2016 election returned two left wing candidates, Clare Daly Ind and Louise O'Reilly of SF. The Greens are an anomaly, boosted by upper class types entrhalled by an aggressive child.

Most likely she hoovered up a great deal of those who would normally vote SF.

If I was a SF member, I'd be worried. And it says a lot about their voter base.

McMurphy

various artistes wrote: »

In one constituency they narrowly scraped past a mentally ill conspiracy theorist. A constituency that in the 2016 election returned two left wing candidates, Clare Daly Ind and Louise O'Reilly of SF. The Greens are an anomaly, boosted by upper class types entrhalled by an aggressive child.

Most likely she hoovered up a great deal of those who would normally vote SF.

If I was a SF member, I'd be worried. And it says a lot about their voter base.

I'm not interested in SF candidates, how close they lost out or won campaigns - or the Greens either for that matter.

Especially not in a thread about FGs various fcuk ups and failure's.

I'm simply refuting the rather specific claim you made that both of them largely bombed at the local bye elections, that was clearly BS.

I don't even need you to acknowledge your muck up, and then move on because it's as clear as the nose on the end of my face that it's BS.

171170

eagle eye wrote: »

Who cares? This thread is about Fine Gael's ineptness not about SF, Greens etc.

Actually, if you read the first post in this thread, you'll note that it says: "This

will be particularly useful in the run up to the GE." Hence it is wholly legitimate for the thread to discuss the important question of whether any of the alternatives to FG are worth voting for in the coming GE! Hence reminding readers that: the Greens played a key role in the 2008 economic collapse; Labour was in government with Enda Kenny for 5 years and played a key role in cutbacks and the Water Charges fiasco; and that FF are propping up the abysmal Varadkar government; as well as highlighting the complete uselessness of SF - the Party that gleefully destroyed the NIA and that refuses to represent its constituents in Westminster (including the constituents who

didn't vote for SF and have a right to be represented in what they regard as their national parliament - not much parity of esteem there!) - is wholly legitimate.

smurgen

various artistes wrote: »

In one constituency they narrowly scraped past a mentally ill conspiracy theorist. A constituency that in the 2016 election returned two left wing candidates, Clare Daly Ind and Louise O'Reilly of SF. The Greens are an anomaly, boosted by upper class types entrhalled by an aggressive child.

Most likely she hoovered up a great deal of those who would normally vote SF.

If I was a SF member, I'd be worried. And it says a lot about their voter base.

Post is nothing more than an attempt to wind up.fg must be worried!

various artistes

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'm not interested in SF candidates, how close they lost out or won campaigns - or the Greens either for that matter.

Especially not in a thread about FGs various fcuk ups and failure's.

I'm simply refuting the rather specific claim you made that both of them largely bombed at the local bye elections, that was clearly BS.

I don't even need you to acknowledge your muck up, and then move on because it's as clear as the nose on the end of my face that it's BS.

I'll try again.

SF came within a paltry 300 votes of placing behind a woman who believes Lidl are trying to....you know what I don't even know what exactly she believed they were doing with that couple.

300 votes.

There is an electorate there of 99,000 people. Early 90's polling would indicate that circa 3 percent of the population are physical force republicans.

Even they by and large couldn't be bothered.

It isn't the lack of votes that should trouble SF, it's the standard of candidate that they ran close to.