January Transfer Window

Harry Palmr

Brentford want Emre Mor (Galatasaray, on loan from Celta Vigo,). He was one of that clutch speedy attackers that seemed to come through at the same time in Germany - Christian Pulisic, Ousmane Dembele, Kingsley Coman etc.

Ashley Young has either left the building in all but name (BBC) or he is about to tempted by a one year extension (SKY)

LineOfBeauty

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Brentford want Emre Mor (Galatasaray, on loan from Celta Vigo,). He was one of that clutch speedy attackers that seemed to come through at the same time in Germany - Christian Pulisic, Ousmane Dembele, Kingsley Coman etc.

Ashley Young has either left the building in all but name (BBC) or he is about to tempted by a one year extension (SKY)

Shame about Mor, brilliant player on his day, loads of potential but apparently a really bad attitude and a questionable entourage.

Fitz*

Says a lot

https://twitter.com/utdxtra/status/1215226978774798336

BullBlackNova

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Is Joe Allen worth 12 million..... Fcuk me!

£12m for an experienced international centre midfielder who would count as homegrown? Seems about right to me in the current market.

Allen was a good player for his time in the PL. He wasn't a superstar but had he been content with being a backup, he would have remained at Liverpool, i think. They didn't want him gone.

As it was, he wanted to play regularly which is fair but he probably made the wrong choice of destination in hindsight. A Stoke team going into free fall.

If he can recapture his PL form and give West Ham another option with Noble and Rice in the centre over Carlos Sanchez, then its a steal.

It remains to be seen what damage being out of the PL for so long did to him (and Butland too) though so that's where the gamble comes in.

rob316

He was a good player at Liverpool, £12m is nothing for an experienced international player.

Fitz*

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1215254240005935104

TitianGerm

FitzShane wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1215254240005935104

Were Chelsea not trying to sign him? Think United were linked last summer.

Brock Turnpike

GLaDOS wrote: »

12m is essentially a free transfer in todays market

So does that mean a free transfer is now essentially like being paid 12m to take a player on?

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1215280335396704257

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https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1215287991251492865

Harry Palmr

It's a cliche but for a reason - never sign Italian strikers for the Prem. 80% of big deal moves just do not work*


*estimate off the top of the head.

Esse85

Some Italian forwards that come to mind, I'm sure I'm missing loads, majority of below have been poor.

Vialli, Ravanelli, Casiraghi, Ballotelli, Borini, Zola, Rossi, Maccarone, Carbone, Grabbi, Kean, Pelle, Macheda

rob316

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's a cliche but for a reason - never sign Italian strikers for the Prem. 80% of big deal moves just do not work*


*estimate off the top of the head.

Most Italian players never work out. Liverpool signed some dross Balotelli, Aquilani, Dossena, Borini.

pjohnson

Didnt a young Matterazzi spend 3 months at Everton?

eh i dunno

pjohnson wrote: »

Didnt a young Matterazzi spend 3 months at Everton?

Was a year and got sent off a few times. Was nuts even then

marklazarcovic

rob316 wrote: »

Most Italian players never work out. Liverpool signed some dross Balotelli, Aquilani, Dossena, Borini.

Ya but dossena scored THAT goal,he gets a pass from me.

Esse85

Esse85 wrote: »

Some Italian forwards that come to mind, I'm sure I'm missing loads, majority of below have been poor.

Vialli, Ravanelli, Casiraghi, Ballotelli, Borini, Zola, Rossi, Maccarone, Carbone, Grabbi, Kean, Pelle, Macheda

Many of these were children. A few were rubbish even in italy. Italians find the culture of england like being foregn. Zola, Ravanelli, Vialli were far superior to others in england.

BullBlackNova

Esse85 wrote: »

Some Italian forwards that come to mind, I'm sure I'm missing loads, majority of below have been poor.

Vialli, Ravanelli, Casiraghi, Ballotelli, Borini, Zola, Rossi, Maccarone, Carbone, Grabbi, Kean, Pelle, Macheda

Odd list -

Vialli, Ravanelli and Zola were unquestionable successes; Zola one of the best players in the league around the time he was in the PL. Carbone a solid player, could also add di Canio too.

I presume Rossi is Guiseppe Rossi? 15 games for Man United (and, apparently 11 for Newcastle) before moving on and injuries destroying his career.

Casiraghi? 10 games, 1 goal in 3 months, then a cruciate knee ligament injury that ended his career. That's bad luck, not a bad player.

Balotelli had mixed success - he was good at City, bad at Liverpool, and Graziano Pelle played his best football in England.

Borini was no good for anyone tbf but Maccarone was excellent for Boro in their UEFA Cup run, and you left Attilio Lombardo out, a Palace legend.

There seems to have been some high profile Italian failures but I can't imagine the success rate is much better or worse than other countries.

The issue is a cultural one - for Italian footballers, until quite recently, the pinnacle was Juve, Milan, etc and there was less interest in going abroad for top talents. Same with Spain until about 10-15 years ago. The best players stayed put.

So, of course, the mediocre ones who were snapped up were always more of a risk - some good, some bad, some too young to make an impact and some too old to do anything despite success earlier in their careers.

Guy:Incognito

eh i dunno wrote: »

Was a year and got sent off a few times. Was nuts even then

"He then spent 1998–99 with Everton, where he was sent off three times in just 27 games"

Esse85

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Odd list -

Vialli, Ravanelli and Zola were unquestionable successes; Zola one of the best players in the league around the time he was in the PL. Carbone a solid player, could also add di Canio too.

I presume Rossi is Guiseppe Rossi? 15 games for Man United (and, apparently 11 for Newcastle) before moving on and injuries destroying his career.

Casiraghi? 10 games, 1 goal in 3 months, then a cruciate knee ligament injury that ended his career. That's bad luck, not a bad player.

Balotelli had mixed success - he was good at City, bad at Liverpool, and Graziano Pelle played his best football in England.

Borini was no good for anyone tbf but Maccarone was excellent for Boro in their UEFA Cup run, and you left Attilio Lombardo out, a Palace legend.

There seems to have been some high profile Italian failures but I can't imagine the success rate is much better or worse than other countries.

The issue is a cultural one - for Italian footballers, until quite recently, the pinnacle was Juve, Milan, etc and there was less interest in going abroad for top talents. Same with Spain until about 10-15 years ago. The best players stayed put.

So, of course, the mediocre ones who were snapped up were always more of a risk - some good, some bad, some too young to make an impact and some too old to do anything despite success earlier in their careers.

Casiraghi was a bad signing, whatever the reasons.

Di canio wasn't added because the poster mentioned strikers. Same with Lombardo. That's why I didn't list them.

Rossi did nothing in England and injuries didn't destroy his career, he left United and moved to Villareal where he played 136 games. Played a further 80 plus games after that with various clubs.

Pelle had 50 goals in 57 games for Feyenoord, he'd 23 goals in 68 for Southampton. You say his best football was played at Southampton, thats questionable.

Maccarone played what a handful of games in the UEFA Cup and you mention that. He was at the club 5 years and did very little else despite joining for a big fee at the time, he then left Boro for free.

Utopia Parkway

Some chat of Giroud and Eriksen to Inter.

Fitz*

Spurs trying hard for Piatek.

simongurnick

FitzShane wrote: »

Spurs trying hard for Piatek.

Polish mate of mine says he's the heir to lewandowski. Wonder what kind of money?

Mr.Nice Guy

Piatek was great last season but went off the boil this campaign, although pretty much every Milan player has. I can see why Spurs would want him in Kane's absence as there are similarities there, yet Kane offers much more in general play. Piatek won't drop deep the way Kane often would. He won't offer much in the way of creativity. There's nothing fancy in his style of play.

My feeling is if he goes there and they expect him to be a straight Kane replacement, he will struggle. If they're going to alter their style for the more orthodox striker that he is, i.e. lots of balls in the box, then he could do a decent short-term job. Gut feeling says in the long run it won't work out. Think he'd be better suited to the Bundesliga.

Cantona's Collars

simongurnick wrote: »

Polish mate of mine says he's the heir to lewandowski. Wonder what kind of money?

£28 million according to the papers.

theoneeyedman

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Piatek was great last season but went off the boil this campaign, although pretty much every Milan player has. I can see why Spurs would want him in Kane's absence as there are similarities there, yet Kane offers much more in general play. Piatek won't drop deep the way Kane often would. He won't offer much in the way of creativity. There's nothing fancy in his style of play.

My feeling is if he goes there and they expect him to be a straight Kane replacement, he will struggle. If they're going to alter their style for the more orthodox striker that he is, i.e. lots of balls in the box, then he could do a decent short-term job. Gut feeling says in the long run it won't work out. Think he'd be better suited to the Bundesliga.

(at the risk of opening up another sh1tstorm like the Liverpool/Jack Charlton one) Spurs have been quite direct since Jose has taken over, have often pushed Delli up close to Harry and bypassed midfield.

BullBlackNova

https://theathletic.com/1518750/2020/01/10/january-window-transfer-money?source=shared-article

Decent piece on the Athletic (paywalled, of course) on the success rate of January transfers.

In short, the vast majority fail. No surprise there.

But this stat really stood out to me: strikers account for 20% of January signings. 55% of them fail to score a single goal in their first half season at their new club. Just 14% score five or more goals.

Even players who went on to be massive successes - Suarez and Dzeko are the two mentioned here - start slow, scoring four and six goals in their first half seasons. Aubameyang an obvious exception, scoring ten in his first few months.

MD1990

Zola was over 20 years ago.

Italian players in general are struggling when going abroad.

I wouldnt be signing any if them for my club.

Immobile is the prime example.

razorblunt

MD1990 wrote: »

Zola was over 20 years ago.

Italian players in general are struggling when going abroad.

I wouldnt be signing any if them for my club.

Immobile is the prime example.

Zaza.

End.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1215751680534466560

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https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1215770639879081984


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1215768510493863948

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https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/1215902362176454658

BullBlackNova

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/1215902362176454658

Some interesting names there.

Will be interested to see what happens with Hendrick and Brady, from an international perspective. Will the Irish numbers in the league dwindle further? Hopefully not.

Plenty of players who might catch an eye but would be a gamble - thinking Clyne and Lallana. I'm a big Lallana fan and he looks good this season but no doubt his injuries would raise a concern.

Eric Bailly might fall into that list too. Looked a great youngster and injuries have been a big factor in his issues.

Fantasy PL legend John Lundstram there too...

Ryan Fraser is the interesting one though, I think. Looked a great footballer last season and totally off the boil this year. Now the whole Bournemouth team has slumped so he could represent a great bargain for someone taking the chance on him or it could be that last season was a purple patch and this is his level.

In reality, most of them will sit tight and do nothing of note, though.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/GSpanishFN/status/1216435557393489920

Harry Palmr

Someone else was linked with him today, forget whom.

Ryan Babel is back at Ajax for his third spell. Promising youth product.

Cantona's Collars

A bit of morning paper gossip.

United looking at Dembele of Lyon.

Liverpool prepared to offer £90 million for his namesake at Barcelona.

Pep interested in signing Grealish.

Harry Palmr

West Ham and Spurs are signing Benfica's Fernandes depending who you read.

TitianGerm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058044422/1/#post112215341

Shamrock on the transfer list?

pjohnson

TitianGerm wrote: »

Shamrock on the transfer list?

Probably start for Villa tbf.

Cantona's Collars

TitianGerm wrote: »

Shamrock on the transfer list?

Looking like he is now.

Dunno how that happened, somehow ended up on drp forum instead of a tweet link. Anyhow, here's what I meant to copy.

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/1216695146919669761

Cantona's Collars

Brighton want £50 million from Chelsea for Dunk.

Baggly

Cantona's Collars wrote:

Brighton want £50 million from Chelsea for Dunk.

That's what I'd ask for too.

~Rebel~

Baggly wrote: »

That's what I'd ask for too.

Sure why not... he's very important to them staying up, and that's a valuable attribute. Also when Maguire went for what he did, bound to chance your arm in this market. Obviously an inferior player, but 60% of Maguire's price sounds about right, for a player with 60-70% of the ability.

Harry Palmr

Why don't Chelsea buy Ake back? They have a clause at 40m.

Agent Coulson

Chelsea and Arsenal both interested in signing Thomas Lemar as Atletico seem happy to sell.

gimli2112

Was he the guy that wouldn't sign for us because his feet got too cold or am I thinking of someone else?

Agent Coulson

gimli2112 wrote: »

Was he the guy that wouldn't sign for us because his feet got too cold or am I thinking of someone else?

The cold feet guy was Seri he signed with Fulham.

Lemar was a target of both Liverpool and Arsenal in 2017.

Harry Palmr

Thomas Lemar was the wide left attacker for Monaco in THAT season, 50m was Liverpool's offer right at the death of the transfer window

MD1990

Rashford could be aligning with Raiola.

If that happens he isn't staying at Man Utd much longer if they stay outside the top 4.

Liam O

MD1990 wrote: »

Rashford could be aligning with Raiola.

If that happens he isn't staying at Man Utd much longer if they stay outside the top 4.

Hahaha. Sure pal.