Hate Speech Public Consultation

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112291568 Just read the first 2 short posts.

In the above example if your not half asleep you will get that my comment had noting to do with racism - yet, not the OP but a mod, a third party, warned me by pm for 'subtle racism'. And the term subtle is interesting , because it would appear the bar is set quite low in some ppl's minds as to what they might deem as racism or hate speech. It really does look like we're going down the lefty inspired idea that if one feels something is hate speech, emotionally like, then it must be and will be treated as such whether it actually was or not.

Lonesomerhodes

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Forgot about that one too, his defense of trying to look like a hard man by claiming to be a srug dealer was completely stupid too

Shows ya the lowlifes (PBP) pure bulshyt propaganda take on.

Imagine being a political party, a councillor of yours admits to dealing drugs and you do nothing about it.

The same degenerate then rattles on about others foibles!.


Shocking stuff.

Ulysses Gaze

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Shows ya the lowlifes (PBP) pure bulshyt propaganda take on.

Imagine being a political party, a councillor of yours admits to dealing drugs and you do nothing about it.

The same degenerate then rattles on about others foibles!.


Shocking stuff.

The Far Left, hypocrites?

No!

pinkyeye

AllForIt wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112291568 Just read the first 2 short posts.

In the above example if your not half asleep you will get that my comment had noting to do with racism - yet, not the OP but a mod, a third party, warned me by pm for 'subtle racism'. And the term subtle is interesting , because it would appear the bar is set quite low in some ppl's minds as to what they might deem as racism or hate speech. It really does look like we're going down the lefty inspired idea that if one feels something is hate speech, emotionally like, then it must be and will be treated as such whether it actually was or not.

What?? You actually suggested he couldn't been seen in the dark??

Gob****e. :rolleyes:

1800_Ladladlad

The Police went to Harry Millers workplace because of complaints they had received about a tweet people found offensive. They were relating to tweets about trans people. which the police found were unlawful While he actually never committed a crime but told him it was being recorded as a noncrime/"hate incident". It's mental to think that the police interfered by actually going to his place of work to check his way of thinking. He also felt that he would be prosecuted if he continued to "tweet" in this way.But anyway, common sense prevailed and it has not been taken further***.

The court found the force's actions were a "disproportionate interference" with his right to freedom of expression.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-51501202

"Despite police accepting that such incidents are not crimes, they are still logged on a system & can even show up during a DBS check when applying for work"

"Police have recorded 120,000 “non-crime” hate incidents & may have stopped those accused from getting jobs, the Telegraph can disclose"

The above is pathetic. All it takes is for an accuser and hand full of their hysteric twitter activists or supporters to stain as person chances at possibly getting a job. Its quite juvenile.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/14/police-record-120000-non-crime-incidents-may-stop-accused-getting/

alastair

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

The Police went to Harry Millers workplace because of complaints they had received about a tweet people found offensive. They were relating to tweets about trans people. which the police found were unlawful While he actually never committed a crime but told him it was being recorded as a noncrime/"hate incident". It's mental to think that the police interfered by actually going to his place of work to check his way of thinking. He also felt that he would be prosecuted if he continued to "tweet" in this way.But anyway, common sense prevailed and it was dropped.



https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-51501202

What was dropped? His hate incident is still recorded. All that was reprimanded was the visit to his place of work, and the threat that further hate incidents could be prosecuted. He’s still a transphobic arse.

WrenBoy

Any update on this legislation or is it still in Limbo following the consultation process ?

conorhal

WrenBoy wrote: »

Any update on this legislation or is it still in Limbo following the consultation process ?

I'd imagine it's on hold until a government is formed. It doesn't matter anyway.

'Consultation' is just code for 'quango's give us your shopping list of demands' and the bill (just like so many of these bills from Trans to Traveller Minority recognition) will be passed without a single debate in the Dail and the first the general public will really know about it will be when the thought police turn up at their door.

suicide_circus

can hate speech enforcers see through VPNs?

alastair

conorhal wrote: »

I'd imagine it's on hold until a government is formed. It doesn't matter anyway.

'Consultation' is just code for 'quango's give us your shopping list of demands' and the bill (just like so many of these bills from Trans to Traveller Minority recognition) will be passed without a single debate in the Dail and the first the general public will really know about it will be when the thought police turn up at their door.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2017-03-01/37/

The thought police won’t be troubled by you, at least. 🙄

conorhal

alastair wrote: »

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2017-03-01/37/

The thought police won’t be troubled by you, at least. 🙄

You do understand that a 'debate' has an opposing point of view expressed and the merits and demerits of a proposal discussed?
Not a half hour of virtue signalling and a rubber stamp.

suicide_circus

those intent on stifling free expression have existed in every era, ours is no different, they always get theirs in the end.

alastair

conorhal wrote: »

You do understand that a 'debate' has an opposing point of view expressed and the merits and demerits of a proposal discussed?
Not a half hour of virtue signalling and a rubber stamp.

Any elected member of the oireachtas was free to express any opinion. Just because nobody suited your opinion doesn’t mean there wasn’t a debate.

conorhal

alastair wrote: »

Any elected member of the oireachtas was free to express any opinion. Just because nobody suited your opinion doesn’t mean there wasn’t a debate.

Buy a dictionary your incompetent cheeto!

alastair

conorhal wrote: »

Buy a dictionary your incompetent cheeto!

Quote:

Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 1 Mar 2017

Gatling

conorhal wrote: »

You do understand that a 'debate' has an opposing point of view expressed and the merits and demerits of a proposal discussed?
Not a half hour of virtue signalling and a rubber stamp.

Looking for an echo chamber

Gatling

suicide_circus wrote: »

can hate speech enforcers see through VPNs?

Possibly not especially something like tor ,

Can't see the gardai spending millions trying to identify posters on here or Twitter because some snowflake feints hate speech

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Possibly not especially something like tor ,

Can't see the gardai spending millions trying to identify posters on here or Twitter because some snowflake feints hate speech

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-monitoring-websites-and-online-activists-for-hate-speech-1.3827772

“There are certain groups out there who like to stir up racial hatred and we have to be watching that all the time,” he said.
“These are certain individuals who come up time and time again. We know people who are at this all the time. They move on, they change the name of the site and then they start again.

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Considering the gardai don't have the resources to stop child abuse being uploaded and downloaded .

Do you think they will be sending squad cars to houses because some snowflake feelings upset by a tweet to boards /Reddit post.

Highly doubtful


They may monitor a certain site but not ten of thousands if not millions of social media posts across Ireland on a daily basis

Big Gerry

Gatling wrote: »

Considering the gardai don't have the resources to stop child abuse being uploaded and downloaded .

Do you think they will be sending squad cars to houses because some snowflake feelings upset by a tweet to boards /Reddit post.

Highly doubtful


They may monitor a certain site but not ten of thousands if not millions of social media posts across Ireland on a daily basis

When it came to policing the water protests the gardas seemed to have unlimited resources.

1800_Ladladlad

The Minister for Justice, Helen McEntee, Department of Justice are finalizing detailed proposals on the new hate crime legislation that will be brought to the government as soon as possible. An update provided today via DOJ after a publication by The CSO and Victimisation Survey 2019 looked at people's experiences of crime in 2019.

The survey found that 7% of persons aged 18 or over who were victims of personal crime felt that the crime took place because of a personal characteristic of theirs, such as their age, gender or race and that 4% of victims said they felt that the crime had been motivated by their race, religion or ethnicity.

Minister Helen McEntee added:

“Targeting any individual on the basis of a personal characteristic is completely unacceptable and the Government has made clear its intention to take further action to tackle hate crime. Following a detailed public consultation held over recent months, my Department is currently finalizing detailed proposals on new hate crime and incitement to hatred legislation. It is my intention to submit these proposals to Government as soon as possible.”

I would first want to know in current legislation where the law has failed to protect the 7% of victims of personal crime who felt that the crime took place because of a personal characteristic of theirs, such as their age, gender or race. A subjective feeling or an individual's perception does not constitute a hate crime or new legislation when there are laws in place.

Just recently, we have politicians declaring Irish people "faceless trolls", "homophobes", "misogynist", "racist", etc. This legislation is about protecting certain groups and enabling the abuse of it to evade criticism of any kind and from being asked pertinent questions. Its sole purpose is to criminalize dissent.


Source: Dept. of Justice

The Crime and Victimisation Survey 2019 can viewed on the CSO website

ExMachina1000

Gatling wrote: »

Considering the gardai don't have the resources to stop child abuse being uploaded and downloaded .

Do you think they will be sending squad cars to houses because some snowflake feelings upset by a tweet to boards /Reddit post.

Highly doubtful


They may monitor a certain site but not ten of thousands if not millions of social media posts across Ireland on a daily basis

People overestimate the resources, reach, manpower of the Gardai.

WrenBoy

Gatling wrote: »

Considering the gardai don't have the resources to stop child abuse being uploaded and downloaded .

Do you think they will be sending squad cars to houses because some snowflake feelings upset by a tweet to boards /Reddit post.

Highly doubtful


They may monitor a certain site but not ten of thousands if not millions of social media posts across Ireland on a daily basis

They will just for the optics of it. There will be plenty of pressure from up top to show these new laws garnering results and stopping the scourge of nasty comments and hurt feelings.

Eric Cartman

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

People overestimate the resources, reach, manpower of the Gardai.

But people also under estimate the reach of an offended minority on twitter. I don't for one second think the gardai are going to try hunt down a re-reg account with no posts except trolling a minority/female political candidate etc...

its when you have a known named and verified account saying something that most of us probably think is sensible, but has since been added to the ' offensive hate speech' bible by the perpetually offended. This will not be an avenue to stop faceless trolls or anonymous accounts, but it will make named individuals think twice about posting an opinion or prosecute for those after.

1800_Ladladlad

I was reading through the Scottish government's Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill"]Hate Crime and Public Order Bill today to get an idea as to what we are to expect in our forthcoming Hate crime bill which is due soon.

3 Offences of stirring up hatred- OFFENCES RELATING TO STIRRING UP HATRED

PART 2
OFFENCES RELATING TO STIRRING UP HATRED
Offences of stirring up hatred
30 3 Offences of stirring up hatred
(1) A person commits an offence if—
(a) the person—
(i) behaves in a threatening, abusive or insulting manner, or
(ii) communicates threatening, abusive or insulting material to another person,

Again who defines 'hate' when it comes an insult.




5 Offences of possessing inflammatory material


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So lets say having a meme in your procession, shared or not shared, a "Sheriff" can come enter your home with a warrant. This could be abused by absolutely any c*nt with a bit power. Look at number 7.


If this is an indication of what we are to expect, this wont just be a slippery slope, there will be a cliff at the end of it. And we might find ourselves arriving in a guglag.

Eric Cartman

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

I was reading through the Scottish government's Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill"]Hate Crime and Public Order Bill today to get an idea as to what we are to expect in our forthcoming Hate crime bill which is due soon.

3 Offences of stirring up hatred- OFFENCES RELATING TO STIRRING UP HATRED


Again who defines 'hate' when it comes an insult.




5 Offences of possessing inflammatory material


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So lets say having a meme in your procession, shared or not shared, a "Sheriff" can come enter your home with a warrant. This could be abused by absolutely any c*nt with a bit power. Look at number 7.


If this is an indication of what we are to expect, this wont just be a slippery slope, there will be a cliff at the end of it. And we might find ourselves arriving in a guglag.

that is literally the most barbaric idealisation of a thought control police state I have ever read in words.

mis-gender somebody on twitter - time to seize your computer.

The_Brood

Scotland has one of the most bat**** insane anti-hate speech laws, you might as well live in North Korea. Really hope Ireland doesn't follow suit.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lxopdvUSl8

From the UK. He had a political debate on debate on Facebook and the next day the actual thought police turned up at his door! He wasn't arrested but may end up in court.

Clarence Boddiker

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

I was reading through the Scottish government's Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill"]Hate Crime and Public Order Bill today to get an idea as to what we are to expect in our forthcoming Hate crime bill which is due soon.

3 Offences of stirring up hatred- OFFENCES RELATING TO STIRRING UP HATRED


Again who defines 'hate' when it comes an insult.




5 Offences of possessing inflammatory material


img

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So lets say having a meme in your procession, shared or not shared, a "Sheriff" can come enter your home with a warrant. This could be abused by absolutely any c*nt with a bit power. Look at number 7.


If this is an indication of what we are to expect, this wont just be a slippery slope, there will be a cliff at the end of it. And we might find ourselves arriving in a guglag.

Wow that is absolutely terrifying. Unbelievable really. In fact it is straight up tyrannical, on the level of any of the worst authoritarian regimes in history both left and right.

ronivek

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

So lets say having a meme in your procession, shared or not shared, a "Sheriff" can come enter your home with a warrant. This could be abused by absolutely any c*nt with a bit power. Look at number 7.


If this is an indication of what we are to expect, this wont just be a slippery slope, there will be a cliff at the end of it. And we might find ourselves arriving in a guglag.

A Sheriff in Scottish law is the equivalent of a Judge in Irish law. It is absolutely notthe same thing as an Irish Sheriff who is essentially a local debt collector who merely enforce orders granted by judges.

A Justice of the Peace in Scottish law is the equivalent of a Peace Commissioner in Irish law; although they have additional responsibilities and also act as judges in minor cases.

They all issue warrants as a matter of course; and it will be the police who are likely to execute the warrants.

As to the laws themselves it all really depends on how they're interpreted and how they're utilised by the police, prosecution services, and most important the judiciary and wider legal system. You're not likely to have people going to jail for sharing Pepe the Frog memes.