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Can I be sacked or reprimanded for political activity outside work

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    #32
    Hoboo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    You said employees can go set up their own companies. Who can set up their own company to compete with Google and Facebook?

    That's like saying you can't start a local football team, because it can't compete with Real Madrid.

    Absolute nonsense.


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    #33
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    MegamanBoo wrote: »
    So I'm interested in pursuing some political activity outside work. I'm not talking anything extremist here but I work in the tech industry and I feel strongly that a lot of companies in this area are benefiting from an overly generous tax regime. As you may have guessed I'm quite left leaning. I believe that a lot of large multi-national companies in my industry are getting very soft grants and often pushing the boundaries in applying for these grants, knowing they'll never be audited to any degree of scrutiny.

    Can you list the grants that MNC ICT companies get from the State?

    Please be specific.


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    #34
    Dodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    rock22 wrote: »
    You cannot be disciplined for political activity. Remember this is Ireland not US

    OP, please ignore this completely untrue statement

    EDIT; you can probably disregard the business v workers argument for the past 10/15 posts too :)


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    #35
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We re all effectively hypocrites as we all....

    Except we're running political campaigns against it at the same time.


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    #36
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    You said employees can go set up their own companies. Who can set up their own company to compete with Google and Facebook?

    Why would you have to or want to compete with Google or Facebook in the first place? All you need is sufficient income to live a comfortable life. If you write custom applications you need may be 20 customers per year, a niche product may be a 500 - 600 licence fees per year, a professional accountant about one client per month.


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    #37
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,519 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Deleted User wrote:
    Cry me a river. Of course it's not easy. That's why there will always be more employees than owners. And yet, despite it not being easy to setup your business you want them to give it away to employees.


    Once again, you will find most large corporations aren't owned by an individual, but by share holders, which can be past and present employees, individuals that have never had any employment contract with them, I.e. normal investors, investment funds etc etc etc, so no crying would be required. Not only would I like a more equal share of the wealth created from such businesses, via rising asset prices, I.e. rising share prices, with pre existing employees, but I'd also for the general public


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    #38
    [Deleted User]
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Not only would I like a more equal share of the wealth created from such businesses, via rising asset prices, I.e. rising share prices, with pre existing employees, but I'd also for the general public

    And just to be clear you're not a socialist.

    And how are all the 10s of thousands of employees working in Multi-National companies going to find high skilled employment when the Multi-National company owners stop pissing themselves laughing and relocate. And that's just for starters.


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    #39
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,519 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Deleted User wrote:
    And just to be clear you're not a socialist.

    Again, yes I'm not a socialist, as I believe capatalism has been one of the greatest creations of mankind, truly liberating and advancing our species, I also believe that it's survival is critical to our survival
    Deleted User wrote:
    And how are all the 10s of thousands of employees working in Multi-National companies going to find high skilled employment when the Multi-National company owners stop pissing themselves laughing and relocate. And that's just for starters.

    Please explain to me in detail why these mnc's would leave our country, causing this unemployed, as not much will truly change for them? for example these measures could be implemented without an increase from our current corporate tax rate of 12.5%, baring in mind, there is currently a deficit of a few billion already from this.


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    #40
    [Deleted User]
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Again, yes I'm not a socialist, as I believe capatalism has been one of the greatest creations of mankind, truly liberating and advancing our species, I also believe that it's survival is critical to our survival

    Whereas if I see something that quacks and walks like a duck...
    Wanderer78 wrote: »

    Please explain to me in detail why these mnc's would leave our country, causing this unemployed, as not much will truly change for them? for example these measures could be implemented without an increase from our current corporate tax rate of 12.5%, baring in mind, there is currently a deficit of a few billion already from this.

    Sorry, I thought you were going to demand companies give employees some meaningful ownership of companies. How much today, and how much tomorrow?

    No MNC's stock is based on a branch or subsidiary operating in Ireland so the shares you'll be demanding will be in the parent company's shares trading on the NYSE and the like. Are you seriously asking me why MN wont be heading for the hills? I never assumed the CT was impacted.


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    #41
    Jim2007
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    No MNC's stock is based on a branch or subsidiary operating in Ireland so the shares you'll be demanding will be in the parent company's shares trading on the NYSE and the like. Are you seriously asking me why MN wont be heading for the hills? I never assumed the CT was impacted.

    It is not a big deal, MNCs do it all the time. They do it as bonus, discounted buying schemes, rights issues, options etc.... I have only every worked for MNCs and I still have shares and rights vesting next year, the oldest one being from as far back as 2007.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Jim2007 wrote: »
    It is not a big deal, MNCs do it all the time. They do it as bonus, discounted buying schemes, rights issues, options etc.... I have only every worked for MNCs and I still have shares and rights vesting next year, the oldest one being from as far back as 2007.

    As do I, but you're not comparing like with like.


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