Sinn Fein Richest Party on the Island of Ireland

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 2:44am #1

RTE documentary yesterday about Sinn Fein being left €4.6 million, possibly more by eccentric English millionaire William Hampton.

Will this huge windfall enable Sinn Fein to make electoral gains?

NIMAN · 11-12-2019 2:47am

No.

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 3:05am

NIMAN wrote: »

No.

Interesting analysis. There has been much criticism of the former FF tent at the Galway races raising money for FF but surely the legacy of an English landlord to SF will aid it’s election campaigns. If not why do political parties feel the need to raise funds at all?

Tow · 11-12-2019 9:40am

Need to rob ~25 ATM machines to make as much :-)

myshirt · 11-12-2019 9:56am

People like people who will tell them what they want to hear. And Sinn Fein will tell you anything if it gains electoral advantage for them. Anything.

This money will be spent online, with bespoke advertising and political messaging dependent on the person online. Just like Facebook analyse your posts, your friends posts, what you like, what you don't like, what you respond positively to, what you don't, etc, until they build up a profile of you, Sinn Fein follow the same principle. All parties do, but no party does it with 100% bullsh't. The next worst offender is probably at 10-15% bullsh't.

I do believe this money used wisely by them will advance their agenda. A lot of young people are SF voters. I do see them in Government as a minority partner in time.

Expect more Shinnerbots online soon.

maccored · 11-12-2019 10:03am

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

Yurt2 · 11-12-2019 10:27am

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

11-12-2019 10:47am

Yurt! wrote: »

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

I 100% believe this from day one the story broke

11-12-2019 11:02am

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

https://www.sinnfein.ie/sfos

Jinglejangle69 · 11-12-2019 11:21am

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

“The internet and social media are transforming politics around the world and here in Ireland. Never before has there been so many ways that you can help influence and make change happen through this global online community we live in.”

“We are asking you to take the step today to become a Sinn Féin Online Supporter and join our campaign to reshape politics in Ireland and in doing so usher in an era of radical change that puts the interest of our citizens at the heart of all we do.”

blanch152 · 11-12-2019 11:45am

maccored wrote: »

this whole shinnerbot bull**** is fantastic fantasy stuff.

I don't think people on here are as exercised by this shinnerbot thing as you think. For a start, there is nobody starting threads in Feedback complaining about shinnerbots on the site. Secondly, I don't think boards.ie would feature highly on any list of social media sites being targetted by the SFOS. They are more likely to focus on Twitter and Facebook. Anyone who steps outside of their own cocoon on those sites will see clear evidence of the activities of the SFOS. Thirdly, the quality of the contributions from many of those who support or appear to support the Sinn Fein position on here is generally abysmally low (yourself being one of the few exceptions) and if this is centrally directed and controlled, that is not good for SF in the long run.

mattser · 11-12-2019 11:47am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

“The internet and social media are transforming politics around the world and here in Ireland. Never before has there been so many ways that you can help influence and make change happen through this global online community we live in.”

“We are asking you to take the step today to become a Sinn F Online Supporter and join our campaign to reshape politics in Ireland and in doing so usher in an era of radical change that puts the interest of our citizens at the heart of all we do.”

So much for fantastic fantasy.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 11:49am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

“The internet and social media are transforming politics around the world and here in Ireland. Never before has there been so many ways that you can help influence and make change happen through this global online community we live in.”

“We are asking you to take the step today to become a Sinn Féin Online Supporter and join our campaign to reshape politics in Ireland and in doing so usher in an era of radical change that puts the interest of our citizens at the heart of all we do.”

Openly working online to campaign for a party? What's the problem with that?
We know all parties do that.
They all have an online presence on my Facebook and twitter feeds. (and do we really need to post the FG team hard at work photo again?)

I.E. So what if they are looking for people to promote the party online?

blanch152 · 11-12-2019 11:52am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Openly working online to campaign for a party? What's the problem with that?
We know all parties do that.
They all have an online presence on my Facebook and twitter feeds. (and do we really need to post the FG team hard at work photo again?)

I.E. So what if they are looking for people to promote the party online?

No, Johnny Dogs will do that shortly.

If those six to eight people in his picture can control the internet, wow.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 11:56am

blanch152 wrote: »

No, Johnny Dogs will do that shortly.

If those six to eight people in his picture can control the internet, wow.

Are you suggesting SF's team are controlling the internet?

Paranoia strikes deep in the partitionist heartland.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-12-2019 12:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Openly working online to campaign for a party? What's the problem with that?
We know all parties do that.
They all have an online presence on my Facebook and twitter feeds. (and do we really need to post the FG team hard at work photo again?)

I.E. So what if they are looking for people to promote the party online?

Honestly I’m in agreement.

So can we finally put to bed that there are party bots( hate that word) at work here for any party?

And no more ridiculous threads in the feedback forum.

That’s a good move by all.

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 12:02pm

Bash them all you want but very few under 40 will vote for FF / FG and Labour threw their credibility away by propping them up for TD's pensions.

Along with the Social Democrats and Greens they're one of the few parties any way in tune with what the younger generation will actually vote for.

The more the old Provo-stained generation are replaced by the likes of Pearse Doherty while the main parties stick to their Thatcherite ideologies the longer that will continue.

They also have a handy knack of not voting to drown migrants in the Mediterranean at EU level or allowing party members to get caught showing their true colours ala Messrs Murphy and Ms Bailey.

11-12-2019 12:04pm

The likes of Pearse Doherty is yer problem tbh

if yr bench quality is such that he is up there flinging numbers around for you as Finance spokesperson, yer ****ed

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 12:05pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Honestly I’m in agreement.

So can we finally put to bed that there are party bots( hate that word) at work here for any party?

And no more ridiculous threads in the feedback forum.

That’s a good move by all.

You are appealing to the wrong person. I have never had that weak an argument that I have had to stoop to calling somebody a 'bot'.

maccored · 11-12-2019 12:10pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

15 odd years later and we're still waiting on that 'proof' that the 'Ra robbed the northern bank. Trimble didnt want to talk to SF at the time but politically had to. then the robbery happened and Trimble no longer had to talk to SF. Doesnt take a genius to work out what actually happened.

Patrick2010 · 11-12-2019 12:10pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Conspiracy theory: Sinn Fein found a naiive looney in England to launder the Northern Bank robbery money through.

Presto, ill-gotten cash lands in the lap of SF HQ upon his death. Dastardly and cunning in equal measure.

Seems the most likely explanation, what’s the official story of how he came by all those millions?

blanch152 · 11-12-2019 12:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you suggesting SF's team are controlling the internet?

Paranoia strikes deep in the partitionist heartland.

I think you missed this reply to maccored.

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't think people on here are as exercised by this shinnerbot thing as you think. For a start, there is nobody starting threads in Feedback complaining about shinnerbots on the site. Secondly, I don't think boards.ie would feature highly on any list of social media sites being targetted by the SFOS. They are more likely to focus on Twitter and Facebook. Anyone who steps outside of their own cocoon on those sites will see clear evidence of the activities of the SFOS. Thirdly, the quality of the contributions from many of those who support or appear to support the Sinn Fein position on here is generally abysmally low (yourself being one of the few exceptions) and if this is centrally directed and controlled, that is not good for SF in the long run.

FrancieBrady · 11-12-2019 12:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I think you missed this reply to maccored.

No I didn't miss it. The crudity of the attempt to flame made me giggle, if that helps.

maccored · 11-12-2019 12:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I think you missed this reply to maccored.

you obviously missed the shinnerbot reference in this thread

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 12:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The likes of Pearse Doherty is yer problem tbh

if yr bench quality is such that he is up there flinging numbers around for you as Finance spokesperson, yer ****ed

I would see someone like Eoin O Brionn being a future party leader if he can ditch the Tom Clarke fanboy look.

Berserker · 11-12-2019 12:52pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Interesting analysis. There has been much criticism of the former FF tent at the Galway races raising money for FF but surely the legacy of an English landlord to SF will aid it’s election campaigns.

Why would the Irish electorate be enamored by the fact that an Englishman gave SF a large donation?

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 12:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The likes of Pearse Doherty is yer problem tbh

if yr bench quality is such that he is up there flinging numbers around for you as Finance spokesperson, yer ****ed

Not sure what the you is all about, I rarely vote for Sinn Fein. I usually try and throw them a 3 or a 4. I never vote for the others though.

It isn't football, you don't have to pick a team. You're supposed to vote based on policies. And I don't mean fixing potholes.

Berserker · 11-12-2019 1:00pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Not sure what the you is all about, I rarely vote for Sinn Fein. I usually try and throw them a 3 or a 4. I never vote for the others though.

You do vote for them, if you give them your third or fourth preference 'usually'.

2ndcoming wrote: »

It isn't football, you don't have to pick a team. You're supposed to vote based on policies. And I don't mean fixing potholes.

Most people don't vote based on policies though. Most Irish people vote for the party that their parents voted for.

SafeSurfer · 11-12-2019 1:26pm

Berserker wrote: »

Why would the Irish electorate be enamored by the fact that an Englishman gave SF a large donation?

Regardless of source of the money used to fight an election campaign its power to enable the fighting of that election can hardly be questioned.

My question I was will this huge windfall enable SF to win more seats?

If SF don’t think it will have any impact on the ability of the party to fight future elections why not donate the money to a mental health or homeless charity?

2ndcoming · 11-12-2019 1:34pm

Berserker wrote: »

You do vote for them, if you give them your third or fourth preference 'usually'.

Most people don't vote based on policies though. Most Irish people vote for the party that their parents voted for.

Well yeah, I have no issue throwing them something but it's not like I'm smuggling diesel. For the FG types there seems to be little distinction between the two.

Most Irish people are idiots, unfortunately. We laugh away at the Brits and Americans and then do the same thing ourselves.

Berserker · 11-12-2019 2:13pm

2ndcoming wrote: »

Well yeah, I have no issue throwing them something but it's not like I'm smuggling diesel. For the FG types there seems to be little distinction between the two.

You do realise that your vote, even a third or fourth could get them elected? Is it any different than giving them your first preference? Lucky for SF that people don't vote based on policy. If that was the case, they wouldn't get a vote from anyone who works and earns more than €37K.

2ndcoming wrote: »

We laugh away at the Brits and Americans and then do the same thing ourselves.

Laugh at them for doing what exactly?

Sinn Fein Richest Party on the Island of Ireland

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