Where are the Gardaí?

realitykeeper

Gerry G wrote: »

You have a a real obsession with doughnuts lad, did you want to be a guard but couldn't reach the paltry entry requirements?

It is the Gardaí who are obsessed with doughnuts. As a taxpayer, I have to pay for both, the Gardaí and their doughnuts.

Killinator

realitykeeper wrote: »

It is the Gardaí who are obsessed with doughnuts. As a taxpayer, I have to pay for both, the Gardaí and their doughnuts.

You know we pay taxes aswell, which makes us taxpayers too.

And the doughnuts thing is an Americanism, most of the lads I know would prefer a nice biscuit instead

Feisar

realitykeeper wrote: »

It is the Gardaí who are obsessed with doughnuts. As a taxpayer, I have to pay for both, the Gardaí and their doughnuts.

My Dad was in the job, never seen him with a doughnut.

realitykeeper

Feisar wrote: »

My Dad was in the job, never seen him with a doughnut.

Yet the Gardai took 45 minutes to come to the cyclists aid. My guess is they are eating doughnuts on the sly.

Rmgblue

salonfire wrote: »

Ah the old tugging at the heart strings move.

I don't see your sympathy extend to the undertaker in these stories; just me, me, me.

What did the local undertaker do on ya?

They have to deal with the mess as well, more so than the guard does.

Iv heard terror stories about under takers and what they face. My own grand father was an under taker - he recently told me a story where he removed a body that had been deceased for 8 weeks. He was able to tell from the sell by date on the milk on the table. He and his colleague took the rest of the day off. My friend who is a guard told me she was first at scene at a fatal involving an infant. She spared me the details thank god. I asked her did she go home after, she said no, she was required in court for the day. Until we know the ins and outs of it, can we leave the gardai alone

whisky_galore

suicide_circus wrote: »

the way theyre called members rather than officers is more of the emasculation we inflict on them. and dont get me started on those manky ill fitting high vis anoraks, they look like theyre about to start digging a hole in the road

Have to agree that their get up is the least flattering uniform of any police force, it looks cheap as if Aldi had a special on and the sizes were all wrong, but at the same time not the worst aspect of AGS.

Feisar

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yet the Gardai took 45 minutes to come to the cyclists aid. My guess is they are eating doughnuts on the sly.

Nobody likes cyclists though so I'd say it was fairly down the priority list.

In all seriousness though do you think there are response teams waiting for a call? The available resources may have been at the opposite end of the district, may have been engaged in a critical call, we don't know.

Samuel T. Cogley

More personnel than ever in AGS now apparently.

Slowyourrole

Feisar wrote: »

My Dad was in the job, never seen him with a doughnut.

It's such an American thing. Gardaí are more keen on breakfast rolls or tea and biscuits.

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yet the Gardai took 45 minutes to come to the cyclists aid. My guess is they are eating doughnuts on the sly.

It's because he rang after. The reality is he wasn't in danger anymore, he was just waiting to report it so he goes down the list of priority.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

More personnel than ever in AGS now apparently.

There isn't on the front line. Not even close. Just creative accounting with Garda numbers.

Samuel T. Cogley

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

More personnel than ever in AGS now apparently.

and yet, we see less and less on the streets, there's a problem somewhere

there are a lot more civil servants working in AGS but it hasn't resulted in the regular units being any bigger

Mr E

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yet the Gardai took 45 minutes to come to the cyclists aid. My guess is they are eating doughnuts on the sly.

realitykeeper wrote: »

It is the Gardaí who are obsessed with doughnuts. As a taxpayer, I have to pay for both, the Gardaí and their doughnuts.

Mod: If you mention doughnuts here again (or in any thread about the gardai), you'll be banned from the thread. It's just not funny.

Zubeneschamali

Tippsman wrote: »

Get a different job than.

They did, that's the answer to the OP's question.

Samuel T. Cogley

Slowyourrole wrote: »

There isn't on the front line. Not even close. Just creative accounting with Garda numbers.

Not saying they are, only that they should be and that they should redeploy where possible.

X111111111111

Rmgblue wrote: »

Iv heard terror stories about under takers and what they face. My own grand father was an under taker - he recently told me a story where he removed a body that had been deceased for 8 weeks. He was able to tell from the sell by date on the milk on the table. He and his colleague took the rest of the day off. My friend who is a guard told me she was first at scene at a fatal involving an infant. She spared me the details thank god. I asked her did she go home after, she said no, she was required in court for the day. Until we know the ins and outs of it, can we leave the gardai alone

That's their job and they get well renumerated for doing it and a good plated pension. Nobody said it would be easy.

Lollipops23

There's very little point in putting more Guards on the streets if the courts don't back them up. The little scrotes that terrorise people are just let away until you get ridiculous situations where there's people up in front of a judge on their 67th offence.

Discodog

No shortage of Guards in Galway today. Lots of checkpoints the day after the storm & when the traffic lights failed on a major junction.

Ash.J.Williams

listermint wrote: »

Would love to see you knock on a door late at night delivering news to parents that their son or daughter died in a car accident or was found hanging from some tree .

Big salary ... N all...

I'd say you think a CEO salary of half a mill is worth it.

you think saying things to people deserves more money?

4068ac1elhodqr

Lollipops23 wrote: »

There's very little point in putting more Guards on the streets if the courts don't back them up.

No good the courts doing what they should already be doing.
- If there is no where to actually place the convicts with ever reducing sentances.

The lowest common denominator might be just to start building/floating in some supermax 'correctional' facilities.
Then work backwards all the way up to pre-crime (prevention).

X111111111111

Gerry G wrote: »

Add to that the families of Guards who have lost their lives on duty. I'm sure they don't see a €1300 average as being worth it.

I know because Ireland is like Baghdad during the height of the insurgency isn't it. I'd say more people are killed by golf balls tha Gardai killed in the line of duty here per year.

Dick_Swiveller

Lollipops23 wrote: »

There's very little point in putting more Guards on the streets if the courts don't back them up. The little scrotes that terrorise people are just let away until you get ridiculous situations where there's people up in front of a judge on their 67th offence.

Yes, this is an important point. Garda uselessness is part of a much wider problem that extends to politics, the judiciary, the education system etc etc.

Discodog

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

you think saying things to people deserves more money?

The same argument is used with other services. Everyone should know the requirements of the job they apply for.

Mike9832

Discodog wrote: »

No shortage of Guards in Galway today. Lots of checkpoints the day after the storm & when the traffic lights failed on a major junction.

Cardai

That's all the seem to do these days

KaneToad

Killinator wrote: »

I should think I'd be entitled to eat a doughnut now and again, although I'm more partial to chocolate rolls.
And I wish I was making 1300 a week, try dividing that by half and your alot closer!

Why not post a redacted copy of your payslips?
Show us all how little you earn?

mynamejeff

Mike9832 wrote: »

Cardai

That's all the seem to do these days

from the rag that is the irish independent today alone ,

ya they are at nothing but directing traffic in the middle of a storm



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/three-men-charged-with-attack-and-false-imprisonment-of-kevin-lunney-denied-bail-by-high-court-38800835.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-61-with-ms-is-jailed-after-car-ploughed-into-four-men-killing-one-38798229.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/teen-linked-to-gilligan-arrested-after-shooting-38798179.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-arrest-man-in-relation-to-serious-assault-of-woman-in-wicklow-38785423.html


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/lisa-smith-granted-bail-with-strict-conditions-including-internet-and-social-media-ban-38799723.html

Killinator

KaneToad wrote: »

Why not post a redacted copy of your payslips?
Show us all how little you earn?

Normally I'd tell you to go **** yourself, post your own first but sure seems you think I'm lying here's my current weekly pay. (And yes I'm on regular active duty 4 years in)
And yes this is the standard pay I recieved except for 1 cheque every 4 weeks which has my unsocial hours and overtime added which is generally an extra 200/300 as unless I'm in court or have a prisoner beyond my regular 10 hours there is no overtime available here.

*Deleted*

Sorry to dissapoint you.

I'm not complaining, I get by on my wages. I'm not demanding more (I'd love more but who wouldn't want more pay) but as I stated its a long long way from 1300 a week

And before someone else jumps in with the standard 'you knew what you were signing up for'
I fully accept that and don't bitch about it either, well at least not outside the job.

Furthermore I will state there are lads in my station who shouldn't be Gardai, and I'm sure there everywhere. Not because there are corrupt but just incompetent and the lads who aren't have to work extra hard in spite of them.
But those lads wanted to join up for whatever reason, plenty of people who bitch and moan but would never contemplate making a difference themselves, and why? Because the 'job is ****', 'couldnt be doing that', 'pay is crap', etc, etc

I would say take down that photo. It makes no difference to the people on here if you make less then the dole.
There are people who love to bash AGS no matter what. I'm not talking about reasonable people with reasonable concerns, everyone is entitled to their concerns.
But you're only asking for more grief from certain posters by posting it.
Up to you.

Killinator

bubblypop wrote: »

I would say take down that photo. It makes no difference to the people on here if you make less then the dole.
There are people who love to bash AGS no matter what. I'm not talking about reasonable people with reasonable concerns, everyone is entitled to their concerns.
But you're only asking for more grief from certain posters by posting it.
Up to you.

I'll leave it for now, at least give the person who asked for it a chance to respond.
The obvious inference was that I was lying, if they believed me they wouldn't have asked for proof.
Not expecting an apology though

KaneToad

Killinator wrote: »

I'll leave it for now, at least give the person who asked for it a chance to respond.
The obvious inference was that I was lying, if they believed me they wouldn't have asked for proof.
Not expecting an apology though

Thanks for posting. Would you also be able to post a picture of the 'big cheque' too? It gives a more accurate representation of what a guard, with only 4 yrs service, is paid.

Killinator

KaneToad wrote: »

Thanks for posting. Would you also be able to post a picture of the 'big cheque' too? It gives a more accurate representation of what a guard, with only 4 yrs service, is paid.

No I won't, I told you what's on it. If you don't believe me then fine, I'm not trying to convince you anymore.

Padraig Mor

Killinator wrote: »

Normally I'd tell you to go **** yourself, post your own first but sure seems you think I'm lying here's my current weekly pay. (And yes I'm on regular active duty 4 years in)
And yes this is the standard pay I recieved except for 1 cheque every 4 weeks which has my unsocial hours and overtime added which is generally an extra 200/300 as unless I'm in court or have a prisoner beyond my regular 10 hours there is no overtime available here.

https://imgur.com/a/LWXCTaF

Sorry to dissapoint you.

I'm not complaining, I get by on my wages. I'm not demanding more (I'd love more but who wouldn't want more pay) but as I stated its a long long way from 1300 a week

And before someone else jumps in with the standard 'you knew what you were signing up for'
I fully accept that and don't bitch about it either, well at least not outside the job.

Furthermore I will state there are lads in my station who shouldn't be Gardai, and I'm sure there everywhere. Not because there are corrupt but just incompetent and the lads who aren't have to work extra hard in spite of them.
But those lads wanted to join up for whatever reason, plenty of people who bitch and moan but would never contemplate making a difference themselves, and why? Because the 'job is ****', 'couldnt be doing that', 'pay is crap', etc, etc

With respect, you're only proving the point. Your payslip shows that you will earn approximately €49,000 this year despite "no overtime available here" and only being on the job four years. That is very solid earnings for someone only starting their career. You may not personally be earning 1300 a week but many of your colleagues are earning that and more. That figure of course represents an average - and with only four years under your belt you are far from being average. What's the average service.......15 years, 20 maybe? My recollection is that figures from the CSO for actual pay (as opposed to the misleading salary scales) show that average pay for all Gardai is approx €65k per year. Furthermore, there is a lot of bleating about that including higher ranks etc - from memory, average pay for Garda rank is ~ €60k per year. Now, I'm not saying that's too much or too little - but it's impossible to debate the merits of Garda pay without first establishing what they're actually paid.

Killinator

Padraig Mor wrote: »

With respect, you're only proving the point. Your payslip shows that you will earn approximately €49,000 this year despite "no overtime available here" and only being on the job four years. That is very solid earnings for someone only starting their career. You may not personally be earning 1300 a week but many of your colleagues are earning that and more. That figure of course represents an average - and with only four years under your belt you are far from being average. What's the average service.......15 years, 20 maybe? My recollection is that figures from the CSO for actual pay (as opposed to the misleading salary scales) show that average pay for all Gardai is approx €65k per year. Furthermore, there is a lot of bleating about that including higher ranks etc - from memory, average pay for Garda rank is ~ €60k per year. Now, I'm not saying that's too much or too little - but it's impossible to debate the merits of Garda pay without first establishing what they're actually paid.

I'm not proving any point other than that I'm not on 1300 a week which was previously stated blindly as a fact with no reference to averages.
I also clearly stated I'm not complaining about my pay

KaneToad

Killinator wrote: »

No I won't, I told you what's on it. If you don't believe me then fine, I'm not trying to convince you anymore.

Fair enough.

I can see online, anyways, what a 4 yr guard gets paid.

Basic Salary= €40,297 (from Sep)
Boot allowance= €2.93 * 52 =€152.36
Uniform allowance= €4.39 *52= €228.28
Shift allowance= €10,074.25 to €12,089.10

Total minimum gross = €50,751.89 to €52,766.74

Total minimum weekly (annualised)= €975.99 to €1014.74

A guard at the top of their scale (17 yrs experience)

Basic Salary= €54,469 (from Sep)
Boot allowance= €2.93 * 52 =€152.36
Uniform allowance= €4.39 *52= €228.28
Shift allowance= €13,617.25 to €16,340.70

Total minimum gross = €68,466.89 to €71,190.34

Total minimum weekly (annualised)= €1,316.67 to €1,369.04


I haven't mentioned, either, the financial benefits of a fast accrual pension.

Hootanany

KaneToad wrote: »

Fair enough.

I can see online, anyways, what a 4 yr guard gets paid.

Basic Salary= €40,297 (from Sep)
Boot allowance= €2.93 * 52 =€152.36
Uniform allowance= €4.39 *52= €228.28
Shift allowance= €10,074.25 to €12,089.10

Total minimum gross = €50,751.89 to €52,766.74

Total minimum weekly (annualised)= €975.99 to €1014.74

A guard at the top of their scale (17 yrs experience)

Basic Salary= €54,469 (from Sep)
Boot allowance= €2.93 * 52 =€152.36
Uniform allowance= €4.39 *52= €228.28
Shift allowance= €13,617.25 to €16,340.70

Total minimum gross = €68,466.89 to €71,190.34

Total minimum weekly (annualised)= €1,316.67 to €1,369.04


I haven't mentioned, either, the financial benefits of a fast accrual pension.

Please do

Slowyourrole

KaneToad wrote: »

Fair enough.

I can see online, anyways, what a 4 yr guard gets paid.

Basic Salary= €40,297 (from Sep)
Boot allowance= €2.93 * 52 =€152.36
Uniform allowance= €4.39 *52= €228.28
Shift allowance= €10,074.25 to €12,089.10

Total minimum gross = €50,751.89 to €52,766.74

Total minimum weekly (annualised)= €975.99 to €1014.74

A guard at the top of their scale (17 yrs experience)

Basic Salary= €54,469 (from Sep)
Boot allowance= €2.93 * 52 =€152.36
Uniform allowance= €4.39 *52= €228.28
Shift allowance= €13,617.25 to €16,340.70

Total minimum gross = €68,466.89 to €71,190.34

Total minimum weekly (annualised)= €1,316.67 to €1,369.04


I haven't mentioned, either, the financial benefits of a fast accrual pension.

Where are you getting those salary figures from?

KaneToad

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Where are you getting those salary figures from?

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Garda+pay+scale

Taxburden carrier

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Where are you getting those salary figures from?

A guard wouldn’t ask me that :rolleyes:

BrianBoru00

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Slowyourrole

KaneToad wrote: »

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Garda+pay+scale

Doesn't really answer my question. Am I right in assuming those figures are based on a future pay raise?

KaneToad

KaneToad wrote: »

The first point on the Garda scale is €30,296. However this does not include allowances, this is an important distinction!

For example, all frontline Gardai who work the guards roster get unsocial hours pay.

Such allowances amount to between 25% and 30% of earnings. Source: Dáil statement, MOJ, April 2016.

Therefore, renumeration for a first year guard is between 37,870 and 39,384. Not bad for an entry level job that only requires a leaving certificate (grade D3 minimum in five subjects at ordinary level).

I refer you to an earlier post

KaneToad

KaneToad wrote: »

The first point on the Garda scale is €30,296. However this does not include allowances, this is an important distinction!

For example, all frontline Gardai who work the guards roster get unsocial hours pay.

Such allowances amount to between 25% and 30% of earnings. Source: Dáil statement, MOJ, April 2016.

Therefore, renumeration for a first year guard is between 37,870 and 39,384. Not bad for an entry level job that only requires a leaving certificate (grade D3 minimum in five subjects at ordinary level).

I refer you to an earlier post

KaneToad

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Doesn't really answer my question. Am I right in assuming those figures are based on a future pay raise?

It gives the salary scales for each rank and shows the different salaries dependent on when the person joined the guards. My post above explains the significant addition to pay provided by some allowances.