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Arrested after Work Christmas Party?

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    #122
    mrmorgan
    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mrmorgan


    road_high wrote: »
    How is somebody representing a company if they’re in a pub or club in their private time. Yes what the OP did was no doubt wrong (we are still very much in realms of speculation and need a lot more detail to comment further) but unless he goes around in company branded uniform with a company name tag planted across his forehead I fail to see how he’s representing them. Are we all turned into corporate robots these days that there’s now no distinction between work and private lives (be they good, bad or indifferent)?

    Where did I say the OP was representing the company. was referring to the situation in my Company.

    But if you are at a work party, yes you are representing the company.


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    #123
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    mrmorgan wrote: »
    Where did I say the OP was representing the company. was referring to the situation in my Company.

    But if you are at a work party, yes you are representing the company.

    They had been at a work party, but it was over. The incident happened after that in an unconnected venue far as we can make out


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    #124
    mrmorgan
    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mrmorgan


    road_high wrote: »
    They had been at a work party, but it was over. The incident happened after that in an unconnected venue far as we can make out

    Yep, I read the original post!!


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    #125
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,574 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    road_high wrote: »
    How is somebody representing a company if they’re in a pub or club in their private time. Yes what the OP did was no doubt wrong (we are still very much in realms of speculation and need a lot more detail to comment further) but unless he goes around in company branded uniform with a company name tag planted across his forehead I fail to see how he’s representing them. Are we all turned into corporate robots these days that there’s now no distinction between work and private lives (be they good, bad or indifferent)?

    Many code of conduct documents cover work arranged get together a and associated events.
    The fact that it was overflow from the Christmas party and with other employees may fit. Add to that if OP is as much an idiot in the job management may have an interest in making a thing of this.


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    #126
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    _Brian wrote: »
    Many code of conduct documents cover work arranged get together a and associated events.
    The fact that it was overflow from the Christmas party and with other employees may fit. Add to that if OP is as much an idiot in the job management may have an interest in making a thing of this.

    The ultimate question is when does the work event and codes of conduct end? Far as i can gather this was private time and an unrelated venue/drinks.


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    #127
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,574 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    road_high wrote: »
    The ultimate question is when does the work event and codes of conduct end? Far as i can gather this was private time and an unrelated venue/drinks.

    But some may consider this related because it was a continuation of the work party with work colleagues.
    I’m
    Not pushing either way, it will come down to specific company policy and OPs relationship with employer.

    Someone above mentioned having a hard look at their overall behaviour, it’s probably the best advice in the whole thread to be fair.


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    #128
    Conor84
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Conor84


    Thanks for the replies/advice. Not going to go into all the details but some things that people have asked.

    I've been with the company a couple of years and have had no problems until now - have been out on a few nights out too. I am not in a union or anything. We got a couple of free drinks at the start of the night and food but mainly paid for our own.

    Yes I've been in trouble for this before and been to court but can't change that but that's only one part of my life. Not proud of it and that's why it;s worse been in this same situation again. And I know I've got to deal with that.

    The Guards arrested me for public order and got charged with that and have a court date in January. I had to go back and give a statement about the assault. The other person did the same.

    Like I said before I am back to work tomorrow so will have to see what happens.


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    #129
    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭skinny90


    Conor84 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies/advice. Not going to go into all the details but some things that people have asked.

    I've been with the company a couple of years and have had no problems until now - have been out on a few nights out too. I am not in a union or anything. We got a couple of free drinks at the start of the night and food but mainly paid for our own.

    Yes I've been in trouble for this before and been to court but can't change that but that's only one part of my life. Not proud of it and that's why it;s worse been in this same situation again. And I know I've got to deal with that.

    The Guards arrested me for public order and got charged with that and have a court date in January. I had to go back and give a statement about the assault. The other person did the same.

    Like I said before I am back to work tomorrow so will have to see what happens.

    Who assaulted who? Is the other person pressing charges?


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    #130
    Conor84
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Conor84


    Yeah he is


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    #131
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Good luck tomorrow lad. Don't beat yourself up about it, there's not many people who haven't done things they regret after a night out. It will pass and be forgotten about.


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    #132
    bilbot79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    You should be sacked


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    #133
    tayto lover
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    Conor84 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies/advice. Not going to go into all the details but some things that people have asked.

    I've been with the company a couple of years and have had no problems until now - have been out on a few nights out too. I am not in a union or anything. We got a couple of free drinks at the start of the night and food but mainly paid for our own.

    Yes I've been in trouble for this before and been to court but can't change that but that's only one part of my life. Not proud of it and that's why it;s worse been in this same situation again. And I know I've got to deal with that.

    The Guards arrested me for public order and got charged with that and have a court date in January. I had to go back and give a statement about the assault. The other person did the same.

    Like I said before I am back to work tomorrow so will have to see what happens.

    Learn from it and move on. Good luck.


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    #134
    PrettyBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    Haven't read past the first page but has anyone else looked at the OP's post history? He's started something like five different threads over the years stating that he'd been arrested and is now looking for advice - I can't tell if this is a wind up or if he really is an utter idiot that can't go for prolonged periods without being arrested.


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    #135
    kravmaga
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Conor84 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies/advice. Not going to go into all the details but some things that people have asked.

    I've been with the company a couple of years and have had no problems until now - have been out on a few nights out too. I am not in a union or anything. We got a couple of free drinks at the start of the night and food but mainly paid for our own.

    Yes I've been in trouble for this before and been to court but can't change that but that's only one part of my life. Not proud of it and that's why it;s worse been in this same situation again. And I know I've got to deal with that.

    The Guards arrested me for public order and got charged with that and have a court date in January. I had to go back and give a statement about the assault. The other person did the same.

    Like I said before I am back to work tomorrow so will have to see what happens.

    @OP, you were probably charged with a s.6 Public Order Offence, Threatening, Abusive, Insulting behaviour causing harassment alarm and distress.

    Get a solicitor asap, ask your solicitor if he can offer mediation to the other party?

    You quite clearly have a drink problem and I would also register with AA, this will stand in your favour when your in front of the Judge in January.

    Do the Guards want to take a cautioned statement from you in relation to the assault, that could be a seperate offence you can be charged with, get your Solicitor to go with you to the Garda Station.

    Do not go to the Garda station on your own to give any kind of statement without legal advice present. You may incriminate yourself by accident if you know what I mean.


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    #136
    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭skinny90


    kravmaga wrote: »
    @OP, you were probably charged with a s.6 Public Order Offence, Threatening, Abusive, Insulting behaviour causing harassment alarm and distress.

    Get a solicitor asap, ask your solicitor if he can offer mediation to the other party?

    You quite clearly have a drink problem and I would also register with AA, this will stand in your favour when your in front of the Judge in January.

    Do the Guards want to take a cautioned statement from you in relation to the assault, that could be a seperate offence you can be charged with, get your Solicitor to go with you to the Garda Station.

    Do not go to the Garda station on your own to give any kind of statement without legal advice present. You may incriminate yourself by accident if you know what I mean.

    Yes given this is not your first offence this is what should be your priority. As for the assault itself. Do you have any grounds for what happened? Who started it? Is there any witnesses from the office who saw it.


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    #137
    jimmii
    Registered Users Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    Haven't read past the first page but has anyone else looked at the OP's post history? He's started something like five different threads over the years stating that he'd been arrested and is now looking for advice - I can't tell if this is a wind up or if he really is an utter idiot that can't go for prolonged periods without being arrested.

    Yeah his history has been gone through in detail and brought up many times already! There is a bit of a pattern alright. But maybe this is the one that leads to something changing.


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    #138
    dashoonage
    Registered Users Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    This wasnt in The Marble Arch was it and is your second name mcgregor ?


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    #139
    2smiggy
    Registered Users Posts: 20,637 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    *waiting to see what happened


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    #140
    brianblaze
    Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    dashoonage wrote: »
    This wasnt in The Marble Arch was it and is your second name mcgregor ?

    Was the incident involving a bus by any chance?


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    #141
    jimmii
    Registered Users Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    2smiggy wrote: »
    *waiting to see what happened

    The anticipation as we reach lunch break time!


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    #142
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Jaysus it must be tough being a local parish priest these days.. I’d say the job is safe though..;)


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    #143
    Steve F
    Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Any news??


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    #144
    Mango Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Nope.

    It happened with a work colleague. Work are involved and were brought into disrepute when the guards asked how you know each other.

    If I was your boss, you'd be fired. Others may be more lenient.
    thecowgoesmoo wrote: »
    If your in a good company who respects their employees then you should be fine OP, I changed jobs to specifically get away from people like Mrs O Bumble (No offence). I worked in places like this and now work in a great multinational company in IT where they respect their employees with a great life work balance where you can have a honest conversation with your boss about anything and they always see the best in you, not the worst.

    Toxic work environment is rotten thing to go into everyday.

    Mrs OBumble's long, long post history reveals her true character if you read back far enough, she really does come across as having more edge than Gillette and more chips than McDonalds.

    I'm sure she's a really fair, decent, broad-minded and lovely person behind it all though.

    OP best of luck with it, I'm sure HR don't want to be involved in the first place and if they do feel as though they need to be seen to take a stance I'm sure they'll issue some token warning or whatever.

    As for your Colleagues, people love gossip and a bit of a story, getting in a drunken fight isn't an ideal point of notoriety but you won't be the first or last... Just take the angle you did on here, say you regret it and are keen to move on and put it behind you.


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    #145
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    OP best of luck with it, I'm sure HR don't want to be involved in the first place and if they do feel as though they need to be seen to take a stance I'm sure they'll issue some token warning or whatever.

    Are we reading the same thread - a work colleague is (apparently) pressing charges on the OP for an assault arising from the work function...


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    #146
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    OP best of luck with it, I'm sure HR don't want to be involved in the first place and if they do feel as though they need to be seen to take a stance I'm sure they'll issue some token warning or whatever.

    You don't know the OP, you don't know the company nor the OPs history with the company and yet you can be sure.....
    Mango Joe wrote: »
    As for your Colleagues, people love gossip and a bit of a story, getting in a drunken

    They also don't like to have to work with someone who has a history of violence, assaulted a colleague and might do so again.

    If there is a prosecution or an employee makes a formal complaint, this could go pear shaped very quickly. With the OPs history telling him to sling his hook is cheaper than the risk of an action for damages as a result of a failure to provide a safe working environment.


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    #147
    kravmaga
    Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Yes given this is not your first offence this is what should be your priority. As for the assault itself. Do you have any grounds for what happened? Who started it? Is there any witnesses from the office who saw it.

    @skinny90

    I think your reply was meant for the OP, Conor84, I just replied to his post.


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    #148
    Professor Genius
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭Professor Genius


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Are we reading the same thread - a work colleague is (apparently) pressing charges on the OP for an assault arising from the work function...

    Sometimes a dose of prison is the only thing that will sort an individual out. The shock of 6 months in the Joy might just do the trick to get a person off the grog or hashish or whatever is causing such aggression to puck other people about the place.


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    #149
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Professor Genius wrote: »
    Sometimes a dose of prison is the only thing that will sort an individual out. The shock of 6 months in the Joy might just do the trick to get a person off the grog or hashish or whatever is causing such aggression to puck other people about the place.

    6 months in the joy.

    If there not on something when they go in chances are they certainly will be when they come out.


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    #150
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Professor Genius wrote: »
    Sometimes a dose of prison is the only thing that will sort an individual out. The shock of 6 months in the Joy might just do the trick to get a person off the grog or hashish or whatever is causing such aggression to puck other people about the place.

    grog and hashish? 80's are calling on wildly oversized mobile phones!


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    #151
    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭skinny90


    hold on a second...all we know is that something happened in a place after the work event, be it a late bar, club, cassino or even house party..
    We do not know the details

    Who started what, how it started and took place is not known to us

    the employer will leave themselves wide open should the OP be fired as a result

    especially if it can be proven that the co worker provoked the OP.

    The assault charge itself is a different matter


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