Things you just "don't get"?

Millicently

vriesmays wrote: »

There was an article in the paper last weekend about Adamstown. One guy said he rents and most of his neighbours are non-nationals. He said - another bonus is that it’s massively diverse here. I don't understand this. Why is this a bonus compared to all native locals there?

Here's the article:



https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/election-2020-in-commuterville-they-built-the-houses-and-left-the-people-in-a-vacuum-1.4156681

If I were to suggest that lots of white people should move to say, Africa and argue that white people are needed in countries where white people are a minority in order to culturally enrich those countries and insist that those countries are too black/brown, too Muslim, then I'd be called a racist. But when people insist that Ireland and Europe need more brown, black and or Muslim people to culturally enrich us and make us less white it's a different story.


The argument is basically that we need less white more brown and that is racism. A country isn't enhanced by skin colour, whether it's brown black or green. As far as I can see this just means that there's a chip shop, a Chinese takeaway, an Indian takeaway and a kebab shop in the town.

Bracken81

Bracken81 wrote: »

Alcohol and the Irish obsession with it............every week in work.........'Where where you the week end?' 'Wheres your local?" "Where you for this wkd?"

Every Thurs/Fri/Sat.........queues in the local shop with fellas/ladies buying cans, vino, etc

I like to enjoy the wkd and not have complete blur all the time
I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one

For many enjoying the weekend is going out drinking.

I don’t really get your outlook on it tbh, I love drinking and getting drunk and find it hard to understand why someone would deny themselves what is probably my favourite thing to do.

JohnnyFlash

Rex Scary Tendinitis wrote: »

For many enjoying the weekend is going out drinking.

I don’t really get your outlook on it tbh, I love drinking and getting drunk and find it hard to understand why someone would deny themselves what is probably my favourite thing to do.

Because they are different than you.

bucketybuck

Rex Scary Tendinitis wrote: »

For many enjoying the weekend is going out drinking.

I don’t really get your outlook on it tbh, I love drinking and getting drunk and find it hard to understand why someone would deny themselves what is probably my favourite thing to do.

Your posts are the classic example of why the obsession with drink is so sad.

A whole life revolving around drink, getting drunk the focal point of every single life experience, drink, drink drink all the time. Weekend? Drink. Meeting friends? Drink. Flying to Dubai? Drink. Its just pathetic.

I like a drink as well but these people who are constantly itching for a barstool have problems.

appledrop

That someone could be married for 27 years + manage to father two children + then come out as gay.

Totally + utterly baffles me. If he came out as bisexual now that would make sense but not as gay.

By the way I've no problem with someone being gay but just dont understand it in this case.

Millicently

appledrop wrote: »

That someone could be married for 27 years + manage to father two children + then come out as gay.

Totally + utterly baffles me. If he came out as bisexual now that would make sense but not as gay.

By the way I've no problem with someone being gay but just dont understand it in this case.

Like yourself I don't have an issue with him being gay, I can only suspect that him coming out now is a case of jumping before he was pushed so I think someone had dirt on him. What does bother me is people praising him for coming out and those people who call him brave and a hero, well if he'd announced that he was leaving his wife of 27 years for another woman would he still be brave and a hero? I don't sympathise with him because I always found him narcissistic and self serving.

Blaze420

Millicently wrote: »

Like yourself I don't have an issue with him being gay, I can only suspect that him coming out now is a case of jumping before he was pushed so I think someone had dirt on him. What does bother me is people praising him for coming out and those people who call him brave and a hero, well if he'd announced that he was leaving his wife of 27 years would he still be brave and a hero? I don't sympathise with him because I always found him narcissistic and self serving.

I don’t understand how you could sympathise with someone who has lived a lie for 27 years and has now cracked the foundations of the family he created in that time by deciding (27 years later) that he is gay? It’s utterly bizzare and there’s nothing to be applauded here regardless of what persuasion he is or how “brave” he’s deemed to be - it’s just wrong on so many levels.

appledrop

Millicently wrote: »

Like yourself I don't have an issue with him being gay, I can only suspect that him coming out now is a case of jumping before he was pushed so I think someone had dirt on him. What does bother me is people praising him for coming out and those people who call him brave and a hero, well if he'd announced that he was leaving his wife of 27 years for another woman would he still be brave and a hero? I don't sympathise with him because I always found him narcissistic and self serving.

Exactly what I think. By coming out as gay he is basically saying that he never fancied or truly loved his wife. How could you do that after 27 years of marriage. Its the worst possible betrayal in my eyes. The fact he thinks he is brave baffles me.

Millicently

Blaze420 wrote: »

I don’t understand how you could sympathise with someone who has lived a lie for 27 years and has now cracked the foundations of the family he created in that time by deciding (27 years later) that he is gay? It’s utterly bizzare and there’s nothing to be applauded here regardless of what persuasion he is or how “brave” he’s deemed to be - it’s just wrong on so many levels.

I don't believe he suddenly realised that he was gay, I think he probably always knew and got married anyway. I can sympathise on a basic human level, I also sympathise with his wife because of the appalling public humiliation she's going through but I also don't believe that she hasn't in the past 27 years had an inkling that her husband is attracted to men. I've never liked the guy and like I said, I don't think that he willingly came out now, I think someone was going to expose him so he decided to get ahead of the story and come out first, I expect that there's going to be dirt in the papers soon enough.

Blaze420

Millicently wrote: »

I don't believe he suddenly realised that he was gay, I think he probably always knew and got married anyway. I can sympathise on a basic human level, I also sympathise with his wife because of the appalling public humiliation she's going through but I also don't believe that she hasn't in the past 27 years had an inkling that her husband is attracted to men. I've never liked the guy and like I said, I don't think that he willingly came out now, I think someone was going to expose him so he decided to get ahead of the story and come out first, I expect that there's going to be dirt in the papers soon enough.

Yeah 1 or 2 years in to a marriage it’s understandable, but 27 years with 2 kids involved??? I can’t wrap my head around it and you may be right in saying he’s getting ahead of the dirt, but even then I can’t fathom how someone could live such a damaging lie for 27 years

Leg End Reject

I think Candie predicted something would could out about him in the thread about people you can't stand.

Leg End Reject

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I think Candie predicted something would could out about him in the thread about people you can't stand.

i was assuming it was he was bullying colleagues, he's been noted for being difficult/a pain to deal with

Potential-Monke

Rex Scary Tendinitis wrote: »

For many enjoying the weekend is going out drinking.

I don’t really get your outlook on it tbh, I love drinking and getting drunk and find it hard to understand why someone would deny themselves what is probably my favourite thing to do.

I was there. But I let it become a bit of a problem (bottle of rum a night) and have since basically given up drinking. I went drinking 5 times last year, 2 weddings, a gig and 2 nights out. Great times, horrible 2-4 day hangover.

appledrop wrote: »

That someone could be married for 27 years + manage to father two children + then come out as gay.

Millicently wrote: »

...I can only suspect that him coming out now is a case of jumping before he was pushed so I think someone had dirt on him.

Hah, my aunt has a theory on this. Rylan used to be on the show a lot, or had a similar show, or something (apparantly, I don't watch TV), and allegedly he's just disappeared without a word. The aunt reckons himself and Phil were bumping uglies and Phil done this as damage control. Who knows!

vriesmays

Millicently wrote: »

The argument is basically that we need less white more brown and that is racism. A country isn't enhanced by skin colour, whether it's brown black or green. As far as I can see this just means that there's a chip shop, a Chinese takeaway, an Indian takeaway and a kebab shop in the town.

The best bit is none of the 90% of tech workers living in the Docklands are Irish, they will return home eventually. It's the new taxi drivers and kebab shop workers that are here to stay.

Pawwed Rig

vriesmays wrote: »

none of the 90% of tech workers living in the Docklands are Irish,

That's not true. There are a good proportion of them Irish born.

vriesmays

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/only-8-of-docklands-renters-are-irish-says-estate-agent-for-tech-giants-1.3345844

cj maxx

Cricket. The game obviously. I just don't get it

Raconteuse

appledrop wrote: »

That someone could be married for 27 years + manage to father two children + then come out as gay.

Totally + utterly baffles me. If he came out as bisexual now that would make sense but not as gay.

By the way I've no problem with someone being gay but just dont understand it in this case.

Aye, and he's one of many. I think it's just simply a case of fear and shame back when he realised it - probably the late 70s/early 80s. Even a liberal western country like Britain could be very hostile for gay people then - not everywhere was like the Blitz club in London (I'm reminded of the song Smalltown Boy by Bronski Beat). Boy George may have been huge but never actually confirmed at the time that he liked men. Also, and probably more importantly to the individual, there's the family view on it. Philip's folks might have disowned him.

So he did the thing that was expected of him. But I do agree it's bizarre how he kept it up (pun totally intended) for so long. I suppose it's a difficult one to come back from, especially when there are children and their reality as they knew it would be turned upside down.

Marty Xavier

But how did he keep it up for so long?

the purple tin

Marty Xavier wrote: »

But how did he keep it up for so long?

In the bedroom department, do you mean? I suppose with some married couples, the sex just fizzles out after a number of years so maybe it wasn't a problem.


If he knew he was gay from the start and he just wanted a beard, then it's a slap in the face for the poor wife.



ps how long did Elton John's first marriage last?

Conor Bourke

The popularity of jiving and Irish country music.

Antares35

appledrop wrote: »

Exactly what I think. By coming out as gay he is basically saying that he never fancied or truly loved his wife. How could you do that after 27 years of marriage. Its the worst possible betrayal in my eyes. The fact he thinks he is brave baffles me.

God I'm so happy it isn't just me who thinks this. The media vomit about his bravery is just beyond comprehension. I understand people saying it was different then but he could have just not married and not come out. Why did he have to go so far as to marry someone he knew he would never be sexually attracted to? He made a lie out of the life he shared with his wife for 27 years. If he had maybe realised after he married you could understand but he knew he was gay when he married her. He made a mockery of her and everything they shared and now people are tripping up over themselves to congratulate him for it. I really dont get it.

Is it just bandwagon jumping, trying to be all cool etc.? Its 2020 nobody cares who you sleep with.

HildaOgdenx

Antares35 wrote: »

God I'm so happy it isn't just me who thinks this. The media vomit about his bravery is just beyond comprehension. He made a lie out of the life he shared with his wife for 27 years. If he had maybe realised after he married you could understand but he knew he was gay when he married her. He made a mockery if her and everything they shared and now people are tripping up over themselves to congratulate him for it. I really dont get it. Is it just bandwagon jumping, trying to be all cool etc.? Its 2020 nobody cares who you sleep with.

Exactly what I thought. My immediate thought was for her.

castletownman

Those absolute nobodies that run for the general election. The sort that are lucky to pick up a couple of hundred votes, usually from people refusing to take it seriously. I mean, surely even THEY know they don't stand a chance of winning, so why bother going at all?

All though I think a few of them are genuinely crazy, so I guess that explains it.

freshpopcorn

castletownman wrote: »

Those absolute nobodies that run for the general election. The sort that are lucky to pick up a couple of hundred votes, usually from people refusing to take it seriously. I mean, surely even THEY know they don't stand a chance of winning, so why bother going at all?

All though I think a few of them are genuinely crazy, so I guess that explains it.

I know of one of them.
He was a guy in his fifties and he would have been very traditional.
He was talked into running for Elections by ''Friends'' who were basically making a fool of him.

Better Than Christ

It can't have been easy being gay in a country where homophobia was enshrined in the statute books. Yeah, Schofield took the easier way out and he's far from 'brave'. The real brave people were the ones who were openly gay thirty years ago - the ones who didn't hide behind beards, the ones who did the heavy lifting and paved the way for the likes of Schofield to come out when it was safe to do so.

There's still a lot of casual homophobia out there though. People who probably have lots of gay friends and didn't vote 'no' in the marriage referendum, but who still still view homosexuality as being worthy of mockery. Did anyone else see loads of stupid WhatsApp messages about him fisting Gordon the Gopher? Tiresome stuff. Even the thread about it on AH had to be locked because of gay jibes.

Mister Vain

Young Irish radio presenters with fake American accents. 2fm is rife with them.

Nevin Parsnipp

Mister Vain wrote: »

Young Irish radio presenters with fake American accents. 2fm is rife with them.

One of the MANY reasons I NEVER listen to that station....also rife with "SHOUTY" female presenters.

Oh! while I'm at it Double Handers where the presenters are so afraid of dead air that they feel compelled to fill every second with inanities.

There now ! ...have a nice day....

stoneill

Just tattoo of us.
The whole concept.
Why?

Dub Ste

cjmc wrote: »

Cricket. The game obviously. I just don't get it

What's not to get??

You stand in a field, sometimes for five days, except for lunch and teatime.
You have a bit of wood in your hand, and someone throws, what essentially is a round brick at you at speeds of 100mph... and you have to hit as far as you can.

I'm sure there's more to it than that, but maybe not....

Or you stand around trying to catch said round brick.

I once got hit in the nuts by a cricket ball when I was younger, maybe this explains my dislike of the game....

dubstarr

stoneill wrote: »

Just tattoo of us.
The whole concept.
Why?

Theres no way in hell i would go on that programme.You must really hate that person that came on with you.Some of them tattoos are awful.

What tattoo "artist" and i use that term loosely would even do them tattoos.

pgj2015

people who are afraid to go to the Dentist. and a lot of them boast them they havent gone in 20 + years etc imagine the plaque they have,

iamwhoiam

Mister Vain wrote: »

Young Irish radio presenters with fake American accents. 2fm is rife with them.

And they cant pronounce a T seemingly , according to one her name is Loddie Ryan

Raconteuse

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And they cant pronounce a T seemingly , according to one her name is Loddie Ryan

But there's the exact reverse from some of them too - the very hard T which sounds so unnatural in an Irish accent.

LineOfBeauty

Better Than Christ wrote: »

It can't have been easy being gay in a country where homophobia was enshrined in the statute books. Yeah, Schofield took the easier way out and he's far from 'brave'. The real brave people were the ones who were openly gay thirty years ago - the ones who didn't hide behind beards, the ones who did the heavy lifting and paved the way for the likes of Schofield to come out when it was safe to do so.

There's still a lot of casual homophobia out there though. People who probably have lots of gay friends and didn't vote 'no' in the marriage referendum, but who still still view homosexuality as being worthy of mockery. Did anyone else see loads of stupid WhatsApp messages about him fisting Gordon the Gopher? Tiresome stuff. Even the thread about it on AH had to be locked because of gay jibes.

Only a couple weeks ago a gay couple were stabbed in a homophobic assault in this country. It's gotten better but there's still a very real dangerous element to being openly gay.

Raconteuse

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Did anyone else see loads of stupid WhatsApp messages about him fisting Gordon the Gopher? Tiresome.

Sorry but I lolled. I don't think silly jokes like that are homophobia. It's like "go make a sandwich" to me. Just a simplistic joke (and I do make great sandwiches :cool:). It's the vile, hate-filled stuff that bothers me - silly childish stuff is the least of my worries (just my opinion).

the purple tin

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

One of the MANY reasons I NEVER listen to that station....also rife with "SHOUTY" female presenters.

Oh! while I'm at it Double Handers where the presenters are so afraid of dead air that they feel compelled to fill every second with inanities.

There now ! ...have a nice day....

Bruce Forsyth had a rant about them a while back. TV presenters like Davina, Zoe Ball, Coxie and the like, why did they have to shout all the time?

Raconteuse

the purple tin wrote: »

Bruce Forsyth had a rant about them a while back. TV presenters like Davina, Zoe Ball, Coxie and the like, why did they have to shout all the time?

Coz they're ladettes innit?

iamwhoiam

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

One of the MANY reasons I NEVER listen to that station....also rife with "SHOUTY" female presenters.

Oh! while I'm at it Double Handers where the presenters are so afraid of dead air that they feel compelled to fill every second with inanities.

There now ! ...have a nice day....

Every time JENNIFER ZAMPERELLI is on the radio or TV I immediately turn down the sound . No idea why she has to SHOUT ALL THE TIME

begbysback

pgj2015 wrote: »

people who are afraid to go to the Dentist. and a lot of them boast them they havent gone in 20 + years etc imagine the plaque they have,

There’s a big difference between going to the dentist 20/30 years ago and now, back then the local butcher would have to use his knee for leverage when extracting, and could be a little inaccurate with anesthetic.

Marty Xavier

castletownman wrote: »

Those absolute nobodies that run for the general election. The sort that are lucky to pick up a couple of hundred votes, usually from people refusing to take it seriously. I mean, surely even THEY know they don't stand a chance of winning, so why bother going at all?

All though I think a few of them are genuinely crazy, so I guess that explains it.

Well if you were one of these nobodies and happen to be a member of Sinn Fein you are probably a TD today like Violet Ann Wynn in Clare. The woman amassed 300 odd votes in the council elections last year and exceeded the quota eventually in the General election.

smilerf

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And they cant pronounce a T seemingly , according to one her name is Loddie Ryan

I'm fed up of everyone saying podatoes. I mean like wtf

castletownman

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Well if you were one of these nobodies and happen to be a member of Sinn Fein you are probably a TD today like Violet Ann Wynn in Clare. The woman amassed 300 odd votes in the council elections last year and exceeded the quota eventually in the General election.

I'm not talking about lesser known candidates from established parties. I am talking about independents with no chance in hell of winning any election.

I mean some fella in Wexford got 68 votes in the first count and finished on 103 in total, while another lad in Wicklow got 20 votes in the first count, and finished on 26.

It must be mortifying. But why bother?

topper75

Loddie wouldn't know much about podatoes because she is from the ciddy.

pgj2015

topper75 wrote: »

Loddie wouldn't know much about podatoes because she is from the ciddy.

Gerry with long hair.

Gwynplaine

smilerf wrote: »

I'm fed up of everyone saying podatoes. I mean like wtf

Fordy gigs of dayda

vriesmays

Newspapers saying Sinn Fein's election success is historical.

Better Than Christ

Raconteuse wrote: »

Sorry but I lolled. I don't think silly jokes like that are homophobia. It's like "go make a sandwich" to me. Just a simplistic joke (and I do make great sandwiches :cool:). It's the vile, hate-filled stuff that bothers me - silly childish stuff is the least of my worries (just my opinion).

It's mindless idiocy and not on the same level as the hate-filled stuff, but it's insidious and can't make it easy for people to come out, knowing that they'll be on the receiving end of that sort of 'backs to the wall, lads' rubbish.

the beer revolu

Big knockers.

Redneck Reject71

the beer revolu wrote: »

Big knockers.

Really??To me they are classed as fun bags! The bigger the better,heh.And yes that's sexist of me but what can you do?