Skyscrapers ASAP.

Thelonious Monk

I don't know why we don't have entire neighbourhoods of 10 storey or so flats with green spaces in between and shops and restaurants etc on the ground floor. It works well in Germany and other well run countries.
People say Irish want semi-ds and gardens, but I've no doubt decent flats would be snapped up too, beggars can't be choosers in the current environment.

Ready4Boarding

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't know why we don't have entire neighbourhoods of 10 storey or so flats with green spaces in between and shops and restaurants etc on the ground floor. It works well in Germany and other well run countries.
People say Irish want semi-ds and gardens, but I've no doubt decent flats would be snapped up too, beggars can't be choosers in the current environment.

Maybe it's my ideological bias, but I instinctively distrust radical plans like that. Too many things are liable to go wrong. We look back at the Ballymun flats with complete clarity that it was doomed from the start; if only they had had our insight at the time of building. But our insight derives from seeing the experience of those flats. At the time, they probably had the same confidence in those towers as you have in yours. Who's to say there isn't some "obvious" lesson to be learnt about the building of ten-storey tower complexes that only hindsight will reveal?

I acknowledge that that principal could be used to stymie all development, but I think its force increases exponentially with the size and complexity of a proposal.

branie2

I don't think we need them

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Keywords highlighted. They first thing needed would be a beefed up “building control” regime.

Beefed up? Have you seen current building regs?

Thelonious Monk

Ready4Boarding wrote: »

Maybe it's my ideological bias, but I instinctively distrust radical plans like that. Too many things are liable to go wrong. We look back at the Ballymun flats with complete clarity that it was doomed from the start; if only they had had our insight at the time of building. But our insight derives from seeing the experience of those flats. At the time, they probably had the same confidence in those towers as you have in yours. Who's to say there isn't some "obvious" lesson to be learnt about the building of ten-storey tower complexes that only hindsight will reveal?

I acknowledge that that principal could be used to stymie all development, but I think its force increases exponentially with the size and complexity of a proposal.

Dont put any HAP people in them and theyll be fine.

pablo128

I used to work as a mechanic. Obviously I have a heap of tools of all description, welding plants, trolley jack, pressure washer etc. I do all my own work on our cars. I'd have no issue changing a clutch, for example here at home. As well as that, I have a large amount of camping gear too.

Where would I put all my stuff in a high rise apartment, and where could I work on my car?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Beefed up? Have you seen current building regs?

To be honest, I have not, but my point is that no matter how robust/good/comprehensive they are, somebody who knows what they are doing needs to check that the building regs have been complied with.

Harry Palmr

Ireland doesn't need skyscrapers, it needs 8-10 story blocks built and fitted out with high quality materials and maintained to a high level. None of which seems to be within the compass of this country.

KungPao

pablo128 wrote: »

I used to work as a mechanic. Obviously I have a heap of tools of all description, welding plants, trolley jack, pressure washer etc. I do all my own work on our cars. I'd have no issue changing a clutch, for example here at home. As well as that, I have a large amount of camping gear too.

Where would I put all my stuff in a high rise apartment, and where could I work on my car?

Have a lock up like Del Boy. He kept his banger and assorted crap in there as he lived high up in Nelson Mandela house.

whisky_galore

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ireland doesn't need skyscrapers, it needs 8-10 story blocks built and fitted out with high quality materials and maintained to a high level. None of which seems to be within the compass of this country.

It's either semi d's, apartments made of cereal boxes, stunted versions of Manhattan skyscrapers or nothing.

stoneill

Can we not go down instead?
Please?

facehugger99

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't know why we don't have entire neighbourhoods of 10 storey or so flats with green spaces in between and shops and restaurants etc on the ground floor. It works well in Germany and other well run countries.
People say Irish want semi-ds and gardens, but I've no doubt decent flats would be snapped up too, beggars can't be choosers in the current environment.

Where does the trampoline go?

Harry Palmr

Lock ups are part of urban culture across the water, how many even exist in Dublin.

marieholmfan

Sam Quentin wrote: »

When oh when are we gonna start building Skyscrapers and high rise apartments in Dublin? The City is busting at the seams,.. I think it's a no-brainer.

You said it.


In practise it requires that the state acquire the land in the most appropriate place rather than allowing (for example) Maple 10 connected or Tribunal of Inquiry connected families and individuals to build Skyscrapers in Darndale.

whisky_galore

facehugger99 wrote: »

Where does the trampoline go?

Jump on the beds instead.

Stan27

whisky_galore wrote: »

We drive because we ripped up all the transport infrastructure that... guess who... installed?

100%

There used to be trains going out to blessington 100 years ago.
All ripped up now.

The n81 blessington road the traffic has been horrendous for years.

rossie1977

It's either building highrises close to Dublin City centre or the boundaries of the city reaching as far as Athlone by 2100.

riclad

I don,t think we,ll ever get skyscrapers like in london,or new york
maybe the planning office will allow 7 storey apartment blocks in certain area,s away from the liffey, not close to historic buildings like the gpo.
Otherwise rents will rise and the housing crisis will continue .
People will buy house,s in meath and drive to work .

magic_murph

What will happen when all the 20 somethings that move into these Sky Scrapers / Apartments want to start a family and have some actual living space? Lets not be fooled into thinking any apartments built in the next 10 years will be to the absolute minimum space wise so not suitable for a small family.

a longer term plan is needed rather than a knee jerk reaction that is just pushing the problem down the line.

riclad

We need more apartments for workers to live in, for single people ,
and 3 bed house,s or apartments for couple,s to bring up familys .
i would hope the government has a long term housing plan.
In japan the birth rate is very low, property is very expensive in citys .
I agree with you , lack of proper housing in the future will effect the ability of young people to have a family.

wakka12

magic_murph wrote: »

What will happen when all the 20 somethings that move into these Sky Scrapers / Apartments want to start a family and have some actual living space? Lets not be fooled into thinking any apartments built in the next 10 years will be to the absolute minimum space wise so not suitable for a small family.

a longer term plan is needed rather than a knee jerk reaction that is just pushing the problem down the line.

There are minimum apartment space standards for two and three bed units as well,and if those minimums are well designed then it should really be enough for a family to live in. Not every apartment is designed for single people and couples, just the majority

And even if it was the case that it wasnt suitable for families. So what? They move out have a family in the suburbs then if they want. Its still good that we are building a mixture of buildings, young people like living in busy central places, there needs to be that option even if it is only for a portion of your lifetime, not all just living in ****in semi d's forever more, depressing as hell

realitykeeper

Ready4Boarding wrote: »

Surely - surely - you don’t believe that nostalgia for pre-Independence is causing people to oppose the building of high-rise?

I assume you are joking. Very droll.

fonecrusher1

stoneill wrote: »

Can we not go down instead?
Please?

Can't. The Lizard people will object to any sort of subterranean building proposals. Bunch of eejits.

Yamanoto

You don't require high-rise construction to deliver quality high-density housing.

The current problem in Ireland lies in the fact that development guidelines and regulations make a very definite distinction between houses and apartments, ignoring the fact that residential dwellers essentially seek the same things - privacy, space, comfort and carefully considered open areas.

This prevents the development of courtyard or terraced housing or other hybrid models, where tightly-grained networks of units catering to different types of people at varying stages in their lives densely occupy space in a city.

magic_murph

magic_murph wrote: »

What will happen when all the 20 somethings that move into these Sky Scrapers / Apartments want to start a family and have some actual living space? Lets not be fooled into thinking any apartments built in the next 10 years will be to the absolute minimum space wise so not suitable for a small family.

a longer term plan is needed rather than a knee jerk reaction that is just pushing the problem down the line.

How much space does a family realistically need? Considering the costs in raising kids, most people are keeping the number of children low, sooo... what? two bedrooms? One bedroom having bunk beds, or two single beds.

There is a sense of entitlement in Ireland regarding space. In just about any city in the world, having a house is a luxury. Most people make do with smaller apartments, and work towards getting a better larger apartment later. This idea of getting your first home as being a forever home, is unrealistic.

I agree that longer plans need to be drawn up, but I'd consider the plans needed to avoid the social problems and issues with infrastructure, rather than the need to build large apartments to fit peoples dreams.

marieholmfan

Or we could just build bigger apartments.

Deleted User wrote: »

How much space does a family realistically need? Considering the costs in raising kids, most people are keeping the number of children low, sooo... what? two bedrooms? One bedroom having bunk beds, or two single beds.

There is a sense of entitlement in Ireland regarding space. In just about any city in the world, having a house is a luxury. Most people make do with smaller apartments, and work towards getting a better larger apartment later. This idea of getting your first home as being a forever home, is unrealistic.

I agree that longer plans need to be drawn up, but I'd consider the plans needed to avoid the social problems and issues with infrastructure, rather than the need to build large apartments to fit peoples dreams.

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

Or we could just build bigger apartments.

Which ramps up the overall cost and space needed for the apartment blocks, along with the services needed to support the blocks.

And we're back to the sense of entitlement that says everyone should get a great place from the beginning, rather than buying and selling places a few times, before being able to access/afford a large apartment.

Don't get me wrong though. It should be relatively easy to build decent sized apartment blocks in Ireland. China has been doing it for decades. Many are low quality, but many others are far superior to what I've encountered in Ireland.

Winning_Stroke

magic_murph wrote: »

What will happen when all the 20 somethings that move into these Sky Scrapers / Apartments want to start a family and have some actual living space?

They move out to the suburbs to take on the houses of people who've died. Their apartments are then taken by younger people just entering the workforce.

Geuze

Deleted User wrote: »

How much space does a family realistically need? Considering the costs in raising kids, most people are keeping the number of children low, sooo... what? two bedrooms? One bedroom having bunk beds, or two single beds.

A three bedroom apt would need to be 100 sqm minimum.

A four-bed detached house should be 140 sqm minimum.

Geuze

Everything inside the canals should be 4 - 6 - 8 storeys.

The Tetrarch

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Strangely, skyscraper is not a modern word.
There was a horse Skyscraper born in 1786.

Wibbs wrote: »

IIRC it's a maritime term for the very top sail(s) on a sailing ship?

Another think you don't need to know was the sire of Skyscraper (1786) was Highflyer (1774).
Highflyer got his name from the Highflyer walnut trees in the paddock where he was born.

If someone is called a high flyer he must resemble a walnut tree.

AllForIt

That's a tall order