Pat Kenny's big interview

sosndt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump represented the people who feel they can't criticise anything for fear of being labelled racist. Much like Casey went from a nobody to a political celebrity overnight when he said what a lot of people were thinking but felt they weren't allowed to say.

No trump represents corruption, racists, and smug rich assholes that believe the law is beneath them.
If your a cry baby that wants the world to go back the the "good auld days" tough ****.
Grow a pair and move on

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trump represented the people who feel they can't criticise anything for fear of being labelled racist. Much like Casey went from a nobody to a political celebrity overnight when he said what a lot of people were thinking but felt they weren't allowed to say.

sosndt wrote: »

No trump represents corruption, racists, and smug rich assholes that believe the law is beneath them.
If your a cry baby that wants the world to go back the the "good auld days" tough ****.
Grow a pair and move on

You might want to consider that KKV used the past tense. And Trump still represents a movement against the PC brigade, and the attempts to control expression in the US, along with there being so few alternative candidates that aren't just as bad or worse.

Also, Trump has far more support in the US than racists and rich people. You can dislike him. I certainly do. However, the truth is far more complicated than your statements above.

sosndt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You might want to consider that KKV used the past tense. And Trump still represents a movement against the PC brigade, and the attempts to control expression in the US, along with there being so few alternative candidates that aren't just as bad or worse.

Also, Trump has far more support in the US than racists and rich people. You can dislike him. I certainly do. However, the truth is far more complicated than your statements above.

I'm not sure you can support him without being racist.
And yes some poor do support him but o my because they think he'll make them rich.

sosndt

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Immigration is a function of Capitalism as was pointed out by Engels/Marx a long time ago when they spoke of 'the Reserve Army of Labour'.

Regular people are voting for mega-privileged morons like Trump and BoJo as anti-establishment figures when these people would sell them into slavery if they could get away with it.

It's completely fucked-up back-to-front-and-upside-down-ism.

I'm glad some one said this..

sosndt

sosndt wrote: »

I'm not sure you can support him without being racist.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Actually two secrets.

1) you can support him without being a racist.
2) you can support some of his policies without supporting all his polices.

and hey! it's Christmas. So.

3) you can support him while disliking him personally.

You are a racist based on your own beliefs and behavior. Supporting Trump doesn't make them a racist.

And yes some poor do support him but o my because they think he'll make them rich.

Doubt that myself. The poor have no expectation of ever becoming rich and have heard all the speeches under the sun by rich politicians to get their vote. Nah. I suspect they'd be happy with a successful economy, because that would mean the increased chance of work for them or extra benefits. Or simply that they would like their ghettos not to look like a 3rd world country. Past presidents have done very little to resolve the damage done to the rundown parts of America. Trump mightn't do anything either, but I suspect they're running out of options.

sosndt

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll let you in on a little secret. Actually two secrets.

1) you can support him without being a racist.
2) you can support some of his policies without supporting all his polices.

and hey! it's Christmas. So.

3) you can support him while disliking him personally.

You are a racist based on your own beliefs and behavior. Supporting Trump doesn't make them a racist.



Doubt that myself. The poor have no expectation of ever becoming rich and have heard all the speeches under the sun by rich politicians to get their vote. Nah. I suspect they'd be happy with a successful economy, because that would mean the increased chance of work for them or extra benefits. Or simply that they would like their ghettos not to look like a 3rd world country. Past presidents have done very little to resolve the damage done to the rundown parts of America. Trump mightn't do anything either, but I suspect they're running out of options.

I'm not buying it. Sorry.
I clearly said support trump not agree with some policies.
Liking trump would not make you a racist. However I'd doubt someone could like him if they weren't racist already.

sosndt

sosndt wrote: »

I'm not buying it. Sorry.
I clearly said support trump not agree with some policies.
Liking trump would not make you a racist. However I'd doubt someone could like him if they weren't racist already.

Okay. Fair enough. You live in a very simple reality of Black and White. There are no grays in your reality. Either you're a good person or a bad person. A complete Trump supporter or someone who hates him. Gotcha. I'm glad I don't live in that reality.

You do realise that you contradict yourself in your last two sentences?

I approve of some of Trumps actions and decisions. I do think he's an absolute prat... I wouldn't be a supporter of his.. but then neither would I be completely against him either. He's done some good for the US.. especially to rein in the PC brigade that had gotten far too influential over there.. along with some positive results with their economy. But his personal views.. nah. I wouldn't agree with him.

So... would you be calling me a racist?

Field east

dartboardio wrote: »

I dont know enough about Leo varadkar really to judge him, but from what I've seen and heard, we should have a different Taoiseach who gives more of a ****. Yes I think he's awful at what he's doing and doesn't really care as much as he thinks he does.

Although I can't stand seeing people take it personal and abuse him on his appearance or sexuality. Just shows a complete lack of general respect /intelligence.

Lots of idiots in that 'against homelessness' Facebook group, abusing and threatening him, and saying 'go suck my Dick u indian prick' and all this rotten crap.

The treatment of Francis Fitzgerald and Alan Shatter comes to mind here.
The media left wing, independents, ‘specialist organizations, lobby groups, popular movements pick an issue that they want to try and highlight, get changed, embarrass the government and away we go.
PS . Has the rough sleepers issue been solved?. It was the one big issue a few yrs ago and little or no mention of the homeless
. There is no objective or rational debate on the homeless issue.
I heard the other day that 70 % of the homeless people arise out of separations/ divorces. If that is the case then that is mind boggling in that there is a bed/home there but the man/woman choose to declare as being homeless - and how are any children involved re being homeless or not.?
There are an awful lot of half truths, spin, complete lack of information, etc , out there.

Field east

mgn wrote: »

I take it you were not around when Brian Cowan was Taoiseach, the level of abuse that man got day and night by the media was sicking, with cartoons pictures, nicknames and personal abuse everyday of week, the same so called journalist and radio, tv presenters have never said a word about Leo, why, because the racist, homophobic card would be out straight away.

The perfect foil is Ryan Tubridy interviewing Bertie while he was Taoiseach. BC did get a rough ride from some media towards the end but equally other media individuals gave him the benefit of the doubt right up to the end. You can easily pick out the various media outlets/ media hacks with regards to which party. They are in favor of/ being anti or pro government

Dr. Bre

sosndt wrote: »

Everyone should hate trump. He represents everything that is bad in human instincts.

Ye like he’s up there with hitler and Stalin..

Wanderer78

Field east wrote:

The treatment of Francis Fitzgerald and Alan Shatter comes to mind here. The media left wing, independents, ‘specialist organizations, lobby groups, popular movements pick an issue that they want to try and highlight, get changed, embarrass the government and away we go. PS . Has the rough sleepers issue been solved?. It was the one big issue a few yrs ago and little or no mention of the homeless . There is no objective or rational debate on the homeless issue. I heard the other day that 70 % of the homeless people arise out of separations/ divorces. If that is the case then that is mind boggling in that there is a bed/home there but the man/woman choose to declare as being homeless - and how are any children involved re being homeless or not.? There are an awful lot of half truths, spin, complete lack of information, etc , out there.

Its clearly obvious we re experiencing a catastrophic failure in our approach to housing and accommodation, it's also clearly obvious the approach of the so called 'free market' is not actually possible in resolving it, unfortunately we ve curtailed our political system and it's institutions so much, it to is unable to resolve this problem, and at this stage, I suspect, it doesn't matter who's in government

sosndt

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Okay. Fair enough. You live in a very simple reality of Black and White. There are no grays in your reality. Either you're a good person or a bad person. A complete Trump supporter or someone who hates him. Gotcha. I'm glad I don't live in that reality.

You do realise that you contradict yourself in your last two sentences?

I approve of some of Trumps actions and decisions. I do think he's an absolute prat... I wouldn't be a supporter of his.. but then neither would I be completely against him either. He's done some good for the US.. especially to rein in the PC brigade that had gotten far too influential over there.. along with some positive results with their economy. But his personal views.. nah. I wouldn't agree with him.

So... would you be calling me a racist?

Nope as I said. Again.
I doubt anyone could support him and not be racist.
It's really not hard to read that 1 sentence.

sosndt

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Ye like he’s up there with hitler and Stalin..

That seems harsh but ok your entitled to n opinion

Field east

Deleted User wrote: »

Trump represented the people who feel they can't criticise anything for fear of being labelled racist. Much like Casey went from a nobody to a political celebrity overnight when he said what a lot of people were thinking but felt they weren't allowed to say.




To be honest, the word 'racist' is such a nonsense word in itself and has no meaning anymore. It's been diluted and over-used so much that i don't think anyone actually raises an eyebrow anymore to it's use.

Except when it involves the Murphy lady re the recent By election in Wexford. The opposition /media labeled the word ‘racist ‘ onto her utterances and ‘away we go’ until sufficient damage is done.
I saw a BBC documentary recently of a white- if I may humbly use that word- UK reporter interviewing Muslims in a refugee camp somewhere in the Middle East. There were a few young children amongst the crowd being interviewed and when the issue of what they would do to ‘certain ethnic groups/ individuals of other nations’ the index finger was drawn across their throats. These kids were around 6 to 7 year olds. I wondered when did the indoctornation start ? When they were 4 to 5 year olds?
Anyone who ever had the opportunity to walk by a madras said on a frequent basis will hear the Quoran being recited over and over again until it is off by heart by all. It is learned through pure repetition - I assume. My point here is that you have 4 to 5 year olds attending these classes - children are like sponges at this age so it’s an opportune time to introduce them into the ethos/ culture you want to establish.
ALL OF THE ABOVE II GOOD AND PROPER RE THE FOLLOWERS OF THeE ISLAMIC FAITH but there are some madrassas throughout the world that serious questions hang over. And some IMAMS have questions to answer re what they are preaching in their madrassas.
I am referring to the international rather than the Irish situation re the above.
Some Imams have been blocked from entering some countries because of their radical views . And some of them are not welcome into their ‘own flock’ for the same reason

Field east

Field east wrote: »

Except when it involves the Murphy lady re the recent By election in Wexford. The opposition /media labeled the word ‘racist ‘ onto her utterances and ‘away we go’ until sufficient damage is done.
I saw a BBC documentary recently of a white- if I may humbly use that word- UK reporter interviewing Muslims in a refugee camp somewhere in the Middle East. There were a few young children amongst the crowd being interviewed and when the issue of what they would do to ‘certain ethnic groups/ individuals of other nations’ the index finger was drawn across their throats. These kids were around 6 to 7 year olds. I wondered when did the indoctornation start ? When they were 4 to 5 year olds?
Anyone who ever had the opportunity to walk by a madras said on a frequent basis will hear the Quoran being recited over and over again until it is off by heart by all. It is learned through pure repetition - I assume. My point here is that you have 4 to 5 year olds attending these classes - children are like sponges at this age so it’s an opportune time to introduce them into the ethos/ culture you want to establish.
ALL OF THE ABOVE II GOOD AND PROPER RE THE FOLLOWERS OF THeE ISLAMIC FAITH but there are some madrassas throughout the world that serious questions hang over. And some IMAMS have questions to answer re what they are preaching in their madrassas.
I am referring to the international rather than the Irish situation re the above.
Some Imams have been blocked from entering some countries because of their radical views . And some of them are not welcome into their ‘own flock’ for the same reason

Following on from the above, if Ms. Murphy is in any way conversant with the above then I can clearly see where she is coming from.
Can anyone the boy soldiers/boy informants used by ISIS and the warring factions in South Sudan.
Let’s hope that it is not too late if and when we find out that there was some truth in what Ms Murphy was trying to express. NOBODY made any attempt to try and explore/analyze her statements

boombang

Field east wrote: »

NOBODY made any attempt to try and explore/analyze her statements

Clearly it's impossible to monitor all media outlets, but I did hear an Irish Times politics podcast briefly assess her statements and conclude that they weren't credible. I think they had their mind made up beforehand, but there was an least an explicit questioning of the claims.

I didn't follow the Verona Murphy story closely, but I think it strange that she was dispatched quickly while it took months to get Maria Bailey off the ticket.

sosndt

sosndt wrote: »

Nope as I said. Again.
I doubt anyone could support him and not be racist.
It's really not hard to read that 1 sentence.

You're playing with words, and saying exactly the same thing. Again.

I doubt anyone could support him and not be racist.

i.e. anyone who supports him is a racist.

:rolleyes:

sosndt

Deleted User wrote: »

You're playing with words, and saying exactly the same thing. Again.

I doubt anyone could support him and not be racist.

i.e. anyone who supports him is a racist.

:rolleyes:

No again you are purposely misreading it to win the point.
Typical of the keyboard warrior.

sosndt

sosndt wrote: »

No again you are purposely misreading it to win the point.
Typical of the keyboard warrior.

I'm a Keyboard warrior now? You're the one throwing around terms like "racist"... :rolleyes: So,.. first, I'm likely a racist, and now I'm a keyboard warrior... both times through associations.. Yup.

End of my involvement with you unless you want to engage in an actual discussion, and leave off with the slurs.