Lager Snobbery

smelly sock

Its probably going to be the end of me here but I dont like wheat beer. Or German ****e like Paulaner or Erdinger. Utter crap. Heineken all the way followed by Rockshore.

Planet X

Local sells 3 pints of Tuborg for €11.50.
Winner Winner.....

bladespin

Ice cold carlsberg (do the salted freezer wrap thing) - perfection, really.

andekwarhola

Raconteuse wrote: »

I hear more talk of beer snobbery than actual beer snobbery. I also hear far more sneering about people who like trying the "non standard" beers out than sneering from them.

I genuinely think Bud and Carling are terrible but I like Heineken and Carlsberg. It shouldn't matter whether it's Dutch Gold or whatever IPA. If you like you like, if you don't you don't.

It's definitely a curious Irish thing, perhaps due to the central cultural place alcohol has here or the way it's valorized. I know lads who are perfectly 'discerning' (for want of a better word) about everything from food to music, that turn into a bit of a frothing mess about people's supposed beer 'pretentions'.

Mostly beer here is something to neck quickly to get pissed without tasting it unless it's Guinness and then with that you get this whole near mystical connoisseur thing about illusory levels of quality on a pub by pub basis.

Note that quality gin or whiskey never inspires the same sacrilege response as beer.

Can you imagine average people in most European countries caring about who is going for a higher end pilsner or Belgian beer over a supermarket one? I was in Holland a while back on a work trip and was the only one ordering leffe bruin (one of many locals I should add) and I still get the piss taken from me about it to this day.

It's kinda mystifying. I think in 10-15 years, it will just be seen to be normal to like different beers. The craft thing is an angle because we've had a fairly limited brewing scene and tastes here.

Arghus

Is the craft thing not kinda something that peaked in terms of pure wankery about two or three years ago?

Captain Flaps

Budweiser is specifically brewed to appeal to people who don't generally enjoy beer though, much more so than Heineken or Carlsberg, both of which I enjoy equally as much as a Hipster Chocolate Heroin Rainbow Stout depending on the mood. Every Christmas we visit my Uncle's house who only ever gets a crate of Bud in for visitors. I'll drink it but it's not even really beer.

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

Guinness rock shore is nice larger.

Foul stuff. Too light and starts to taste nasty after about two. Won't go back. Bud-ish in nature basically.

Hop house is a lot better of an effort from Guinness.

andekwarhola

smelly sock wrote: »

Its probably going to be the end of me here but I dont like wheat beer. Or German ****e like Paulaner or Erdinger. Utter crap. Heineken all the way followed by Rockshore.

Why would it be the end of anybody anywhere. You like a brand of beer. Some people like other brands of beer.

bmc58

elfy4eva wrote: »

A lot of Lager connoisseurs out there lately.

Heineken's piss, Carlsberg's piss, Budweiser's piss etc.

Great craic on a night out so they are.

I quite like Bud,Heineken,Carlsberg and far from piss are they.If you want real piss try Dutch Gold.Tuborg.

Keyzer

elfy4eva wrote: »

I've have drank weiss beer it's nice but it's a different drink to lager. I do think it's funny though you laud these commercial brands of weiss beer, while mocking commercial lagers.

I'm not mocking them.

I just think they are completely substandard when compared to beers/lagers made in countries around Europe.

Specifically Germany, who have spent many hundreds of years perfecting the product and operate to the oldest food/drink laws in history (the Reinheitsgebot), around since the 15th century.

I also adore a good pint of Guinness.

For me, I like beer and life is too short to drink crap.

Arghus

bmc58 wrote: »

I quite like Bud,Heineken,Carlsberg and far from piss are they.If you want real piss try Dutch Gold.Tuborg.

Don't know about Dutch Gold, because I haven't drank it since I was sixteen, but Tuborg is totally drinkable.

Richard Hillman

The Euro Lagers and Craft Beers are too strong for drinking 5-6 off, you'll be paying for it the next day. Peroni is an absolutely beautiful drink as a one off but 5-6 will do you over.

I would generally stick to Carling (4.0%) if I'm drinking for a good few hours.

Arghus

Alice?Who dafuk is Alice? wrote: »

Yeah but theres enough sanctimonious arseholes here to keep it alive. See that new Brewdog spot in the Docks opened. 7 euro pints. They seen the craft beer amadans coming.

In real life I've only ever met two or three people who were actually snobby about beer, but I've met dozens who talked about beer snobs.

facehugger99

There’s very few beers I wouldn’t drink.

Got a red ale recently that I had to pour down the sink, that’d be rare though.

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

In real life I've only ever met two or three people who were actually snobby about beer, but I've met dozens who talked about beer snobs.

I’d find this to the the case more too. I think it definitely peaked a few years ago as was mentioned earlier, but these days the so called “beer snobs” tend to go on about their business. You definitely hear a lot more from people getting irrationally angry about “beer snobs” these days.

Arghus

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’d find this to the the case more too. I think it definitely peaked a few years ago as was mentioned earlier, but these days the so called “beer snobs” tend to go on about their business. You definitely hear a lot more from people getting irrationally angry about “beer snobs” these days.

It is AH I suppose, getting irrationally wound up about things is the name of the game.

bmc58

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I like tuborg and even tennents when i want a crisp refreshing lager, but budweiser is awful.
I still can't get my head around the fact that grown men drink coors light in this country.

Sorry Thelonious Monk but I think (as a committed lager drinker) Tuborg is one of the worst lagers I have ever tasted.

bmc58

Alice?Who dafuk is Alice? wrote: »

Was dragged along to that Against the Grain recently. All craft ****e. Mostly hipster and dweebs in the clientele and a few Christmas parties. Rip off prices.

The last staw was the hipsters dancing around because they won a board game of snakes and ladders. I had to exit the premises.

That's todays world.

bmc58

bmc58 wrote: »

That's todays world.

Different people liking different things? Here’s to more of it.

bmc58

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Everyone should drink what they like to drink and not worry about what anyone else likes to drink.

But we(as lager drinkers) are entitled to an opinion.And some lagers are crap.That's mine.

bmc58

bmc58 wrote: »

But we(as lager drinkers) are entitled to an opinion.And some lagers are crap.That's mine.

They’re crap to you.

Like personally I’ll drink most beers but I really tend not to like those stouts that they leave in whiskey barrels. But they’re not “crap” because loads of people enjoy them.

Bobblehats

After a long day on the farm it’s good to grab a tin of chilled castlemaine xxxx from the fridge; crack it open and just guzzle it down.

punisher5112

Love a few Heineken after a hard week, obviously not every week but when I do I really enjoy them and usually finish off with a few WKD blue....

con___manx1

Bavaria is a nice beer. Would love a few cans with some beer snobs

Eggs For Dinner

I do like a draught San Miguel (in Spain)

kravmaga

ah bring back the German draught beer aka Furstenberg, it was rocket fuel, 4 pints and you were hammered.

I used to pay patronage in The oval pub on Abbey street back in 1987/ 1988.

Cheap night out, it was discontinued , I think Guinness brewery distributed it , as the Gubberment were not getting enough taxes

Archeron

kravmaga wrote: »

ah bring back the German draught beer aka Furstenberg, it was rocket fuel, 4 pints and you were hammered.

I used to pay patronage in The oval pub on Abbey street back in 1987/ 1988.

Cheap night out, it was discontinued , I think Guinness brewery distributed it , as the Gubberment were not getting enough taxes

Haha, my mum used to get a few crates of that on the Holyhead booze cruise for Christmas,. No wonder everybody was locked by the time raiders of the lost ark started.

Doctor Jimbob

I've had far more "what are you drinking that ****e for" kind of comments for ordering a craft beer than I ever have for ordering a heineken/carlsberg/whatever.

Think Budweiser is ****e but Heineken and Carlsberg are grand. Don't mind rockshore in cans but any time I've ordered a pint of the stuff its been absolutely foul.

s7ryf3925pivug

pfft who drinks lager these days?

smelly sock

Lager is genrally nice once ice cold. Any lager. Except Bud.

roroliam

HARP, and a Fanta for the woman.

Spleerbun

Alice?Who dafuk is Alice? wrote: »

If I'm not on the stout the only lagers I drink are Fosters, Tuborg Corrs Light (no homo).

I'm a big fan of Coors light #nohomo, goes down very well.

Prefer peroni but tend to find it costs at least a euro more when I'm out so I always stick to Coors or Heineken

Zaph

kravmaga wrote: »

ah bring back the German draught beer aka Furstenberg, it was rocket fuel, 4 pints and you were hammered.

Drank several pints of that when I was pretty young and stupid at a work barbecue years ago. Large parts of that night shall forever remain a mystery to me.

Seathrun66

Ipso wrote: »

Pilsner Urquel is very nice.

My favourite of the mass-produced beers.

Strumms

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

I do like a draught San Miguel (in Spain)

Jesus yes, ice cold. The bottle always seems tooo flat. But Draught, delicious.

hognef

theteal wrote: »

It's all just marketing. Carlsberg is the lowest of the low over here (so much so they've changed the recipe!), Tuborg is more premium which Irish people think I'm taking the piss when relay that nugget.

I haven't drunk either in years (maybe I am a bit of a snob, but then I rarely drink anything these days so I'll happily buy what I actually want now - something a bit different), but if that's true, then that is a massive shift from how it used to be back in the 90s, a long time before it first appeared over here. In those days, it was always the cheapest option and we used to drink it mostly for that reason. It certain didn't have any flavour "premium" over Carlsberg.

Seathrun66

andekwarhola wrote: »

It's definitely a curious Irish thing, perhaps due to the central cultural place alcohol has here or the way it's valorized. I know lads who are perfectly 'discerning' (for want of a better word) about everything from food to music, that turn into a bit of a frothing mess about people's supposed beer 'pretentions'.

Mostly beer here is something to neck quickly to get pissed without tasting it unless it's Guinness and then with that you get this whole near mystical connoisseur thing about illusory levels of quality on a pub by pub basis.

Note that quality gin or whiskey never inspires the same sacrilege response as beer.

Can you imagine average people in most European countries caring about who is going for a higher end pilsner or Belgian beer over a supermarket one? I was in Holland a while back on a work trip and was the only one ordering leffe bruin (one of many locals I should add) and I still get the piss taken from me about it to this day.

It's kinda mystifying. I think in 10-15 years, it will just be seen to be normal to like different beers. The craft thing is an angle because we've had a fairly limited brewing scene and tastes here.

People do though. My partner is from Slovakia and even though (alongside the Czechs) they've some of the best lager in Europe craft beer is a big thing and every major town or city will have several bars focusing on IPA, etc.

It's ok to try out loads of craft beer. I first hit the pub in the early 80s with a choice of Harp, Smithwicks and Guinness. At a guess I've the option of 115/120 beers on draught where I live in Galway city. All the old pubs have craft selections and there are several specialised places - The Salt House alone has 23 on draught, Oslo about the same The Bierhaus, McGinns & Caribou roughly 18 each. And few of those choices crossover. O'Connells has some of its own beer alongside other selections. Many of those options I wouldn't try again but some are really impressive and it's nice to have the choice.

I happily have a night on the Guinness and have no problem with Heineken or Tiger at music festivals. Pilsner Urquell is my favourite lager and San Miguel/Estrella Damm also great.

Make no mistake, we're living in a special time for beer drinkers.

Billy Mays

I love Czech and German lagers (pilsners and helles)

Augistiner helles is fantastic stuff. It"s just too expensive over here though. F*ck paying €3.80 for a 500ml bottle of beer in an off license (€7+ in a pub). Weihenstephaner Helles is really good aswell

Spaten Oktoberfest (3 for €5 in O'Briens, 6%) is lovely too

Seathrun66

Bobblehats wrote: »

After a long day on the farm it’s good to grab a tin of chilled castlemaine xxxx from the fridge; crack it open and just guzzle it down.

Ah, the exoticism of XXXX when I moved to the UK in the mid-80s and had lager from the southern hemisphere. Used to love it. Probably less so now. I reckon the taste of Victoria Bitter would hold up after all those years. Anyone seen VB on sale in Ireland?

cj maxx

I read about Furstenberg earlier. Loved it . A bit like harp &lime back in the 80s90s,
I'm not a beer snob by any means but bud is pure piss.

s7ryf3925pivug

Nobody has mentioned westvleteren yet. Any beer snob thread is incomplete without that.

You have to buy it in limited quantities from the door of the monastery where it is produced. You have to make an appointment to do so via phone, and it is hard to actually get through.

Generally considered the best beer in the world. You are supposed to agree not to resell it. The price is not extortionate, but it is resold for extremely high prices. They distributed it via normal channels once for a limited period to pay for repairs to the monastery.

The monastery is one of fourteen Trappist brewers. Trappist brewers are monks and the proceeds from the sales go to the monastery upkeep and to the local community. They are the only ones with such extreme restrictions on their sales. You can get most other beers in some off-licences. Mainly strong ale. Personally I like Orval a lot, which is a pale ale with a particular yeast in it that gives it a distinct flavor.

decky1

have any of them 'Drank Piss' to be able to compare it to larger?

Seathrun66

decky1 wrote: »

have any of them 'Drank Piss' to be able to compare it to larger?

Probably not. Worth doing a blindfold tasting session?

TuringBot47

Have a try of Belgian Leffe beer, either the blonde or bruin... It'll ruin every other beer you've tasted and level you up to a 6.5% beer.

I'll drink Carlsberg in a typical boring Irish pub, but Leffe as a preference.

Lidl sell Leffe now and again and a Belgian beer gift pack around father's Day. Worth trying

TuringBot47

Lyle Curved Mind wrote: »

Trappist brewers are monks and the proceeds from the sales go to the monastery upkeep and to the local community.

Yep, Belgian Trappist abbey beers and Lidl used to sell French Abbey beers are lovely

Harika

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Have a try of Belgian Leffe beer, either the blonde or bruin... It'll ruin every other beer you've tasted and level you up to a 6.5% beer.

I'll drink Carlsberg in a typical boring Irish pub, but Leffe as a preference.

Lidl sell Leffe now and again and a Belgian beer gift pack around father's Day. Worth trying

Leffe seriously? yeah please continue drinking Carlsberg...
If the lager is not from Austria, Germany or Czechia just skip beer and go home, no point staying where they serve you cool piss with gas.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I like tuborg and even tennents when i want a crisp refreshing lager, but budweiser is awful.
I still can't get my head around the fact that grown men drink coors light in this country.

It's handy if you're trying to lose weight yet can't give up the nights out on the pints. If you stick to coors light its like drinking one or two less pints in terms of calories.

smelly sock

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Have a try of Belgian Leffe beer, either the blonde or bruin... It'll ruin every other beer you've tasted and level you up to a 6.5% beer.

I'll drink Carlsberg in a typical boring Irish pub, but Leffe as a preference.

Lidl sell Leffe now and again and a Belgian beer gift pack around father's Day. Worth trying

Didnt like it myself. Different strokes i suppose.

tayto lover

smelly sock wrote: »

Didnt like it myself. Different strokes i suppose.

I got the tasters, 6 different beers, in Antwerp.
Didn’t think that much of the Leffe either.

Different tastes for different folks.

Deebles McBeebles

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd rather drink perineum-filtered scutter.

Anyone who doesn't like Carlsberg is a c*nt though. Fact.

Used to like it but find it gassy and i notice they've altered the flavour somewhat? The cans are rank