J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

Gervais08

Bonniedog wrote: »

Here is piece which has Garda photo of the person, and it is the same person as referred to yesterday.

https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/

Thankfully the person is facing further charges. Do people still think actual women should be locked up with this obviously bat crazy psycho?

Jesus that’s me done with sleep for a while.

jaxxx

Bonniedog wrote: »

Here is piece which has Garda photo of the person, and it is the same person as referred to yesterday.

https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/

Thankfully the person is facing further charges. Do people still think actual women should be locked up with this obviously bat crazy psycho?

Dear god.. forget the whole trans bit a minute, this person seriously needs to be sectioned in a mental health facility ASAP. I didn't realise the name 'Barbie' was actually literal, their face looks like a plastic prosthetic from a horror film!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Deleted User wrote: »

I mentioned this earlier but it seemed to be passed over. The only way to affect public safety would be to release a photo of the person.

We don't know what he/she looks like (at least all the links I've checked so far are missing any photos.. are there photos around of this person?). Telling people to be on the look out for "a male", doesn't change anything... since it's quite possible for a male to look female with some skill with hair extensions, makeup, bras, clothes etc. I've been to gay pride parades where crossdressers with certain body types did very well at hiding their genuine sex. (all it took was practice/skill)

So, I'm bemused at this claim of endangering public safety by misleading about the person's biological sex. If the claim is that they should be safeguarding public safety, in spite of releasing the person into the public, shouldn't you be calling for their full identity to be revealed, rather than focusing on their sex?

I get what you are saying. This person’s identity should be released, not just biological sex. Yes, that is true.

Here’s what concerns me though. This incidence highlights the weakening of safeguards. One might say “Well, a predatory male could already enter female-only facilities if they wanted to anyway”. True. But now, women will feel less able to question the presence of somebody they think is a man because you can’t demand to see somebody’s GRC and no medical transition is required. It may transpire later that somebody didn’t hold a GRC but by then something bad may have happened.

So that’s why this case is alarming. And even if this person “passes”, they still likely to be far stronger than your average woman or even a strong woman. So they do represent a danger.

Bonniedog

Apparently the court and whatever medical people examined him/her did not find any reason to decide they are clinically mad as a box of hats, which you would be inclined to imagine they might be.

I have no idea whether this has anything to do with "gender dysphoria" and the delicacies possibly surrounding that being cited as evidence of psychological dysfunction. You would imagine that constantly expressing the desire to murder your mother and others as well as attacking other people while in custody would be evidence enough.

excludedbin

That's probably why the courts employ medical experts and not randos who think they know better on Boards... Which is an interesting summation of this entire thread, really. Randos on Boards thinking they know better than medical experts, not able to understand why they aren't being listened to.

jaxxx

excludedbin wrote: »

That's probably why the courts employ medical experts and not randos who think they know better on Boards... Which is an interesting summation of this entire thread, really. Randos on Boards thinking they know better than medical experts, not able to understand why they aren't being listened to.

Funny though how often these so-called "experts" are actually wrong. Cos even a blind person could see that this person is as unhinged as is humanly possible. You can have all the qualifications in the world, but unless you've any sort of logical or reasonable thinking to back it up, then it's all worthless.

Gatling

If found guilty of a crime straight to mountjoy certainly not the Dochas center that's putting male predator into a target rich environment.

No way should this be ever considered

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

excludedbin wrote: »

That's probably why the courts employ medical experts and not randos who think they know better on Boards... Which is an interesting summation of this entire thread, really. Randos on Boards thinking they know better than medical experts, not able to understand why they aren't being listened to.

Well then you would know that medical experts involved with case expressed doubt about whether this person is transgender. The Tavistock clinic ARE the supposed experts.

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Just to add to the above, (from Gruffalox)

Reading the extracts from the clinicians report from Tavistock, it would seem they are not convinced that this kid is actually transgender, so in a jurisdiction that doesn’t have self ID, there’s every likelihood that this person would be considered male.
If she’s not transgender, her identifying as female is probably not helping with her already sever psychological issues. I wonder if the fact that her doctors and psychologists have to affirm her female gender, has that in any way negatively impacted the treatments and supports they were able to provide?
It seems this kid has a whole lot of issues that need to be worked through before even getting near gender dysmorphia.

political analyst

Bonniedog wrote: »

Here is piece which has Garda photo of the person, and it is the same person as referred to yesterday.

https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/

Thankfully the person is facing further charges. Do people still think actual women should be locked up with this obviously bat crazy psycho?

I guess the defendant will be put into solitary confinement - whether it's in a men's prison or a women's prison.

political analyst

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Welcome to selfID - Irish political parties (all of them) answer to being noticed on the world stage.

They're currently revising that as SNP Scotland is on an even more insane trajectory to outdo the world leaders at it, incorruptable Malta. Yeah, that Malta.
It's like a promotion/relegation battle.

Actually, the Scottish government has rowed back from allowing self-declaration of gender, given that even the SNP has feminists who are alarmed by the prospect of biological males gaining access to females' changing-rooms or toilets.

Dyr

What's fundamentally f***ked up about this is our medias absolute radio silence on this element of the case.

Bonniedog

excludedbin wrote: »

That's probably why the courts employ medical experts and not randos who think they know better on Boards... Which is an interesting summation of this entire thread, really. Randos on Boards thinking they know better than medical experts, not able to understand why they aren't being listened to.

Or is it that the "experts" are hogtied - as are courts and Gardaí and prison officers - by a ludicrous and crude piece of legislation?


As for experts and so on, it is not long ago that the highest courts in some countries ruled that black people, Jews and so on, were not entitled to the full protection of the law. The legal establishment is not above questioning.

This case illustrates the dangers of legislating for subjective rights way beyond equality before the law, or common sense for that matter.

Dante7

excludedbin wrote: »

That's probably why the courts employ medical experts and not randos who think they know better on Boards... Which is an interesting summation of this entire thread, really. Randos on Boards thinking they know better than medical experts, not able to understand why they aren't being listened to.

The medical experts weren't consulted when the self ID law was ushered in the back door here. When medical experts were consulted in the UK, the agreed with the randos on Boards and said that it is a flawed policy.

Vic_08

Bambi wrote: »

What's fundamentally f***ked up about this is our medias absolute radio silence on this element of the case.

Where exactly is our self proclaimed "Truth Teller" RTE on all this? Yep you guessed it just ignoring the story completely.

Gruffalux

Bambi wrote: »

What's fundamentally f***ked up about this is our medias absolute radio silence on this element of the case.

That silence is happening globally on this issue. It is being reported in lots of places that women are doing things like being found with huge stashes of child porn, or sexually assaulting a child etc. Of course women do these things - that is true. But the crime statistics on such offenses are going to eventually be skewed by the - well, lying, quite frankly. This is a problem for research and science.

On Boards for a long while there has been a refrain - 'that never happens, why are you scouring the web to find the tiny number of cases where there is trouble, there have been zero issues with Self ID in Ireland'. This has often been the fundamental line of argument to completely dismiss those with objections. I could not count how often it has been thrown at me. And yet here and now in a very small population we have one male in prison in the Dochas centre. And given that this tragic teenager has been declared a girl for the purposes of social care, and the courts, I can only presume that the logical conclusion is that they would have to go to a female prison.
Having said that I doubt they will be incarcerated. They have not done a sufficiently bad crime to date to warrant it. They cannot be imprisoned simply because they are dangerous. I have no idea what will or even can be done with this very troubled person

Gatling

Bambi wrote: »

What's fundamentally f***ked up about this is our medias absolute radio silence on this element of the case.

I think it's actually down to court orders for protection of the person being they were under 18 .
I kinda hope race isn't isn't an issue either

Dante7

Gatling wrote: »

I think it's actually down to court orders for protection of the person being they were under 18 .
I kinda hope race isn't isn't an issue either

He wasn't under 18. He's been an adult since the end of last year.

Bonniedog

Gatling wrote: »

I think it's actually down to court orders for protection of the person being they were under 18 .
I kinda hope race isn't isn't an issue either

In what way could it possibly have been?

Or are you arguing that people with Italian surnames who also decide they are women should not be arrested under any circumstance

Sittingpretty

Bonniedog wrote: »

Here is piece which has Garda photo of the person, and it is the same person as referred to yesterday.

https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/

Thankfully the person is facing further charges. Do people still think actual women should be locked up with this obviously bat crazy psycho?

Terrifying.

Imagine meeting that abomination in a dimly lit street.

Gruffalux

I know this person has done terrible things, and hopefully can be stopped from doing terrible things again. But I don't think it is fair to comment very meanly on their appearance. They are obviously quite unwell in many different ways. Their life has been a nightmare. Just my opinion.

TheBlackPill

Gruffalux wrote: »

I know this person has done terrible things, and hopefully can be stopped from doing terrible things again. But I don't think it is fair to comment very meanly on their appearance. They are obviously quite unwell in many different ways. Their life has been a nightmare. Just my opinion.

He is not unwell or sick. the behaviour is and perfectly understandable from the upbringing, but this is not a mental health issue

BattleCorp

TheBlackPill wrote: »

He is not unwell or sick. the behaviour is and perfectly understandable from the upbringing, but this is not a mental health issue

If it's not a mental health issue, what is it?

TheBlackPill

at this stage a criminal justice issue. This young man has had medical assessments every which way, but all they conclude is a personality disorder. People with personality disorder have full agency and the mental ability to behave/change

BattleCorp

TheBlackPill wrote: »

at this stage a criminal justice issue. This young man has had medical assessments every which way, but all they conclude is a personality disorder. People with personality disorder have full agency and the mental ability to behave/change

Doesn't seem like this person is too interested in changing given that they have recently threatened to rape and kill their mother.

TheBlackPill

BattleCorp wrote: »

Doesn't seem like this person is too interested in changing given that they have recently threatened to rape and kill their mother.

Exactly not interested in changing but still capable, and every support to enable this should be offered

BattleCorp

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Exactly not interested in changing but still capable, and every support to enable this should be offered

I'd be of the opinion that if this person attempts to rape or kill anyone in the near future, lock them up and throw away the key.

I know people in difficulties need to be supported but you can only help those who are willing to work with you. By the sounds of things, this person isn't going to work with anyone in order to change and become a better member of society.

ingalway

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Terrifying.

Imagine meeting that abomination in a dimly lit street.

Imagine that 'woman' being in a female toilet or female changing rooms with your undressed wife, sister, friends or daughters. Which Barbie is perfectly entitled to do as Barbie is legally a woman in exactly the same way your wife, sister, friends and daughters are because Barbie has signed a form to say she is one. That is all it takes to become a woman. No therapy, no hormones, no surgery, just paperwork - 2 pages. Any woman who dares question this or asserts their single sex rights are labelled a transphobic bigot and a TERF. I think more people are starting to understand the problems with this.
The UK Govt, this week, decided not to make the process just as simple as the form filling statutory declaration as is here:

In order to apply for a GRC, applicants will continue to need:

• A medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria from an approved medical practitioner;
• A medical report from an approved medical professional providing details of any treatment they have had;
• Evidence they have lived in their new gender for at least two years;
• Agreement from their spouse/civil partner to the marriage/civil partnership;
• Make a statutory declaration that they intend to live in the acquired gender until death (making a false statement is a criminal offence).

This is then sent to a Gender Recognition Panel, made up of four judges and four medical professionals, for assessment. Each application is assessed by one judge and one medical professional, who decide whether to issue the GRC. The applicant is not required to meet the panel.

TheBlackPill

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd be of the opinion that if this person attempts to rape or kill anyone in the near future, lock them up and throw away the key.

I know people in difficulties need to be supported but you can only help those who are willing to work with you. By the sounds of things, this person isn't going to work with anyone in order to change and become a better member of society.

i think a big issue was that once in the care system there was never any serious negative consequences to the criminal behaviours. Its a pattern seen with many juvenile offenders, who then have a big wake up call when sent to adult prison. This man still has chance

Gruffalux

TheBlackPill wrote: »

He is not unwell or sick. the behaviour is and perfectly understandable from the upbringing, but this is not a mental health issue

I just quickly googled personality disorder and the first page of results all say a mental disorder or a mental illness.

I don't want to go too far down along the path of attempting to excuse people's behaviour based on their childhood, as that has led to terrible injustices being perpetrated upon victims of crime, and can be a patronising form of hand-wringing given that by far the most of people who have a sh1t time as children are good people. But in this particular case there does seem to have been such grave neglect as a child that the person cannot have developed properly as a socialised human being. And can thus be said to be fundamentally unwell or disordered.

Gatling

Dante7 wrote: »

He wasn't under 18. He's been an adult since the end of last year.

He was charged as a minor and prosocuted as minor while in care of the state