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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

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    #4502
    Tired Gardener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Trans women are women.

    Mantras are horrendous, they take a nuanced idea/situation and reduce it down to a 4 word sound bite. Utterly moronic, sure the sound bite may sound catchy and get a lot of use, but does it even scratch the surface of the subject it pertains to... no.

    'Trans women are women', 'Make America Great Again', 'Brexit Means Brexit', 'What would Jesus do?', etc...

    Simple expressions for the simple minded. Life has a very rich tapestry, which produces a lot of complexity. Always weary of folk who cite mantras, just seems they haven't really thought about things.


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    #4503
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Imagine, when there are women with cervical and ovarian cancer, ectopic pregnancies, experiencing FGM and being brutalised because of their sex, having the ****ing nerve to say "trans women are women".


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    #4504
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Imagine, when there are women with cervical and ovarian cancer, ectopic pregnancies, experiencing FGM and being brutalised because of their sex, having the ****ing nerve to say "trans women are women".

    And sadly - as I’ve seen - saying they can “be a better version of women”, I’m not a violent girl but I’d dearly love to kick them square in the ladydique.


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    #4505
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Imagine, when there are women with cervical and ovarian cancer, ectopic pregnancies, experiencing FGM and being brutalised because of their sex, having the ****ing nerve to say "trans women are women".

    Imagine not realising that trans women are being killed because of misogyny. The ****ing nerve.


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    #4506
    excludedbin
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭excludedbin


    Oh they do realise. They're glad of it.


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    #4507
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Tired Gardener wrote: »
    Mantras are horrendous, they take a nuanced idea/situation and reduce it down to a 4 word sound bite. Utterly moronic, sure the sound bite may be catchy and get a lot of traction, but does it even scratch the surface of the subject it pertains to... no.

    'Trans women are women', 'Make America Great Again', 'Brexit Means Brexit', 'What would Jesus do?', etc...

    Simple expressions for the simple minded. Life has a very rich tapestry, which produces a lot of complexity. Always weary of folk who cite mantras, just seems they haven't really thought about things.

    Yet when dealing with those who are backward they are quite effective.


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    #4508
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    And sadly - as I’ve seen - saying they can “be a better version of women”, I’m not a violent girl but I’d dearly love to kick them square in the ladydique.

    Enlightenment does elevate.

    Violence. So brutish.


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    #4509
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Imagine not realising that trans women are being killed because of misogyny. The ****ing nerve.
    Because of actual transphobia obviously. No idea how misogyny could come into it.


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    #4510
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Because of actual transphobia obviously. No idea how misogyny could come into it.

    Homophobia transphobia is misogyny. It all stems back to a hatred of the female, the feminine. And rewarding of patriarchy.


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    #4511
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Can't wait too see the clean here in the morning .



    How many pages of pure ****e have we had from low level posters with similar registrations
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    #4512
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Enlightenment does elevate.

    Violence. So brutish.

    When you’ve seen someone suffer with ovarian cancer and a man without uterus or other plumbing says they “know exactly what it’s like” - try remaining calm.

    Now I am done with you and your posts that add nothing to an important debate.


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    #4513
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    Gatling wrote: »
    Can't wait too see the clean here in the morning .



    How many pages of pure ****e have we had from low level posters with similar registrations

    Too many.

    It would appear “arguing without any salient point whatsoever 101” graduated and logged into boards today.


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    #4514
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    When you’ve seen someone suffer with ovarian cancer and a man without uterus or other plumbing says they “know exactly what it’s like” - try remaining calm.

    Now I am done with you and your posts that add nothing to an important debate.


    Cancer is cancer. Do try to create a hierarchy of pain.
    You don’t get a say in a life you don’t lead.

    It’s not yours to debate.


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    #4515
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    Too many.

    It would appear “arguing without any salient point whatsoever 101” graduated and logged into boards today.
    Can't help but feel it would be a different story if they were a right-wing poster.


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    #4516
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    You don’t get a say in a life you don’t lead.

    It’s not yours to debate.
    Irony 101 right there.


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    #4517
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Irony 101 right there.

    You probably thought it was right to have a vote on same sex marriage.

    Wrong.


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    #4518
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    You probably thought it was right to have a vote on same sex marriage.

    Wrong.
    Anyone know what the hell this means?


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    #4519
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Anyone know what the hell this means?

    Beats the crap out of me - other than we should have had equal marriage from the start but we didn’t - so hence the need for a vote.

    Beyond that, without many years of post med school specialising - not a clue!


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    #4520
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Anyone know what the hell this means?

    Priests wearing polyester flannels in laundries are murderers?


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    #4521
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Anyone know what the hell this means?

    I’m getting all the bingo numbers tonight.


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    #4522
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,307 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Cancer is cancer. Do try to create a hierarchy of pain.
    You don’t get a say in a life you don’t lead.

    It’s not yours to debate.

    Good. Then you must accept that males don't get to redefine the meaning of woman and female and dictate to women what terms they are allowed to use to describe themselves and their biology. Its not theirs to debate.


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    #4523
    Airyfairy12
    Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    You probably thought it was right to have a vote on same sex marriage.

    Wrong.

    Actually, at the time I felt it wasnt right for straight people to vote on same sex marriage, why should I get a say in who people love & marry? but I have many friends who are gay and voted on their request. Also, if most straight people who voted yes didnt vote at all, if we had left the issue for gay people and gave no support, I doubt we would have same sex marriage in Ireland. 'No' voters were very proactive in their voicing of their opinion and voting.

    So, as women we have every right to talk about this issue and express our own fears and concerns as it directly effects us in a potentially very harmful and destructive way. We feel that we're being silenced and our basic human rights to safety which women fought for centuries to retain, are being ignored and undermined.

    I dont understand and probably never will understand how statistics, facts and even daily news reports across the entire globe show the prevalence of sexually aggressive attacks against women and girls where the perpetrators are almost always men.
    Nearly every women has experiences with sexual assault, harassment and being made to feel intimidated by men.
    Yet women are still disbelieved, told theyre exaggerating and called radical feminists and transphobes when they dare to express their wish to keep their safe spaces.

    If trans people are pro equal rights and pro human rights, surely you must accept that womens rights must be included? Otherwise you are pro mens rights only and youre telling women that they can go **** themselves and that their rights, safety and wellbeing come second class to other people.


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    #4524
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Good. Then you must accept that males don't get to redefine the meaning of woman and female and dictate to women what terms they are allowed to use to describe themselves and their biology. Its not theirs to debate.

    Giving trans women the right to identify as women takes away nothing from women.

    Trans women get to define their lives.

    Nothing is being taken away from you except your ability to discriminate.

    Tough.


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    #4525
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    Actually, at the time I felt it wasnt right for straight people to vote on same sex marriage, why should I get a say in who people love & marry? but I have many friends who are gay and voted on their request. Also, if most straight people who voted yes didnt vote at all, if we had left the issue for gay people and gave no support, I doubt we would have same sex marriage in Ireland. 'No' voters were very proactive in their voicing of their opinion and voting.

    So, as women we have every right to talk about this issue and express our own fears and concerns as it directly effects us in a potentially very harmful and destructive way. We feel that we're being silenced and our basic human rights to safety which women fought for centuries to retain, are being ignored and undermined.

    I dont understand and probably never will understand how statistics, facts and even daily news reports across the entire globe show the prevalence of sexually aggressive attacks against women and girls where the perpetrators are almost always men.
    Nearly every women has experiences with sexual assault, harassment and being made to feel intimidated by men.
    Yet women are still disbelieved, told theyre exaggerating and called radical feminists and transphobes when they dare to express their wish to keep their safe spaces.

    If trans people are pro equal rights and pro human rights, surely you must accept that womens rights must be included? Otherwise you are pro mens rights only and youre telling women that they can go **** themselves and that their rights, safety and wellbeing come second class to other people.[/quot

    Gay people only asked you to vote because they had to.

    So you know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of misogyny so you want to reinforce that misogyny.

    Name one right a woman will be denied by calling trans women, women?


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    #4526
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    The right to compete in sex based sporting categories.


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    #4527
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    The right to compete in sex based sporting categories.

    And the associated losing of life changing scholarships for younger, college aged athletes.


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    #4528
    Tired Gardener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    Actually, at the time I felt it wasnt right for straight people to vote on same sex marriage, why should I get a say in who people love & marry? but I have many friends who are gay and voted on their request. Also, if most straight people who voted yes didnt vote at all, if we had left the issue for gay people and gave no support, I doubt we would have same sex marriage in Ireland. 'No' voters were very proactive in their voicing of their opinion and voting.

    So, as women we have every right to talk about this issue and express our own fears and concerns as it directly effects us in a potentially very harmful and destructive way. We feel that we're being silenced and our basic human rights to safety which women fought for centuries to retain, are being ignored and undermined.

    I dont understand and probably never will understand how statistics, facts and even daily news reports across the entire globe show the prevalence of sexually aggressive attacks against women and girls where the perpetrators are almost always men.
    Nearly every women has experiences with sexual assault, harassment and being made to feel intimidated by men.
    Yet women are still disbelieved, told theyre exaggerating and called radical feminists and transphobes when they dare to express their wish to keep their safe spaces.

    If trans people are pro equal rights and pro human rights, surely you must accept that womens rights must be included? Otherwise you are pro mens rights and women can pretty much go **** themselves.

    This. I am all in favour of Trans rights, however not at the cost of removing same sex areas, or riding roughshod over the rights of women (who have been and continue to be the most oppressed group of people in history). A lot of the very vocal Trans Rights Activists (TRA), do seem to use this movement as a disguise in order to attack women. All the 'Die TERF' crap we see is directed at women raising legitimate concern... I haven't see any directed at men. It is the perfect smokescreen to their pathological hatred of women, call a woman a TERF, and then it is wholly justifiable to issue death/rape threats on line (usually Twitter).

    That being said, it is also very easy for those who are Transphobic to use any legitimate concern/issue with the way society handles Transgender as a smoke screen to attack Transsexual individuals.

    Essentially both sides will have a group within them (usually very vocal), who are scum and just make a very complex discussion/issue into name calling.


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    #4529
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    The right to compete in sex based sporting categories.

    Is that in the Irish Constitution or Universal Declaration of Human Rights?


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    #4530
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Men: Gender Quotas are bad.

    Trans woman: I got a scholarship for college.

    Men: We need gender quotas for scholarships.


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    #4531
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Giving trans women the right to identify as women takes away nothing from women.

    Trans women get to define their lives.

    Nothing is being taken away from you except your ability to discriminate.

    Tough.

    Their right to female only spaces is paramount - I couldn’t care less about your feelings or what you think you are, I don’t want my daughter or wife feeling uncomfortable in those spaces because some fella thinks he is a fully fledged woman with a working penis. Just look at the example of Barbie in this thread, a mentally unhinged man who is dead sure he’s a female but expresses a wish to rape them. I will in my **** roll over and accept any sort of society that wants that to be the norm - no ****ing way.


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