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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

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    #4532
    Airyfairy12
    Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    Actually, at the time I felt it wasnt right for straight people to vote on same sex marriage, why should I get a say in who people love & marry? but I have many friends who are gay and voted on their request. Also, if most straight people who voted yes didnt vote at all, if we had left the issue for gay people and gave no support, I doubt we would have same sex marriage in Ireland. 'No' voters were very proactive in their voicing of their opinion and voting.

    So, as women we have every right to talk about this issue and express our own fears and concerns as it directly effects us in a potentially very harmful and destructive way. We feel that we're being silenced and our basic human rights to safety which women fought for centuries to retain, are being ignored and undermined.

    I dont understand and probably never will understand how statistics, facts and even daily news reports across the entire globe show the prevalence of sexually aggressive attacks against women and girls where the perpetrators are almost always men.
    Nearly every women has experiences with sexual assault, harassment and being made to feel intimidated by men.
    Yet women are still disbelieved, told theyre exaggerating and called radical feminists and transphobes when they dare to express their wish to keep their safe spaces.

    If trans people are pro equal rights and pro human rights, surely you must accept that womens rights must be included? Otherwise you are pro mens rights only and youre telling women that they can go **** themselves and that their rights, safety and wellbeing come second class to other people.[/quot

    Gay people only asked you to vote because they had to.

    So you know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of misogyny so you want to reinforce that misogyny.

    Name one right a woman will be denied by calling trans women, women?

    They didnt have to do anything, dontknow what youre referring to there?

    To answer your second question, read back over the thread, im not reiterating whats been stated a hundred times already but just to add to that, ive no issue with calling trans women women and I accept their rights to full autonomy and fully support their rights until it infringes on biological female rights. Dont see why biological women are being forced to let go of some their basic human rights which are in place to protect our safety to accomodate trans womens feelings.

    Just feel like im repeating myself over and over.


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    #4533
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I’m getting all the bingo numbers tonight.
    You told me I "probably thought" something... no bingo number acquired.

    I don't care if someone is gay/gets married to someone of the same sex. I don't care if someone is trans. I'd just like if you treated women with respect and didn't insist trans women are women. They are trans women.

    No amount of making up this and that about me and others, based on nothing and due to not having an argument, will change any of the above.


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    #4534
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    You told me I "probably thought" something... no bingo number acquired.

    I don't care if someone is gay/gets married to someone of the same sex. I don't care if someone is trans. I'd just like if you treated women with respect and didn't insist trans women are women. They are trans women.

    No amount of making up this and that about me and others, based on nothing and due to not having an argument, will change any of the above.

    I’m a woman and I say trans women are women.


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    #4535
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    Their right to female only spaces is paramount - I couldn’t care less about your feelings or what you think you are, I don’t want my daughter or wife feeling uncomfortable in those spaces because some fella thinks he is a fully fledged woman with a working penis. Just look at the example of Barbie in this thread, a mentally unhinged man who is dead sure he’s a female but expresses a wish to rape them. I will in my **** roll over and accept any sort of society that wants that to be the norm - no ****ing way.

    Implicit in your ideology is men are dangerous.

    I find that thought process dangerous.


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    #4536
    Tired Gardener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I’m a woman and I say trans women are women.

    Trans women are men who identify as women, that is fine. It however doesn't mean that they are women, they are Trans women. If they are women then we wouldn't need the Trans part.


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    #4537
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    Tired Gardener wrote: »
    Trans women are men who identify as women, that is fine. It however doesn't mean that they are women, they are Trans women. If they are women then we wouldn't need the Trans part.

    That’s ok if you want to call yourself a trans woman. You identify as you wish. Just don’t tell anyone else how to live their life.


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    #4538
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Implicit in your ideology is men are dangerous.

    I find that thought process dangerous.

    There is no reason for men and women to share changing areas etc in public places, never had been and never will be. Why would you insist on such a change to make them feel uncomfortable in a space that should solely be for them?

    As for men being dangerous, some are and some aren’t. I would however be very concerned about any man who believes he is a female and seeks to use those areas - they are potentially more dangerous and unbalanced than any biological male.


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    #4539
    Tired Gardener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    That’s ok if you want to call yourself a trans woman. You identify as you wish. Just don’t tell anyone else how to live their life.

    So, what is it that defines a woman as being a woman? I am honestly interested in what you think it is, is it biology, or is it identity?

    Which of the two is the deciding factor?


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    #4540
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    There is no reason for men and women to share changing areas etc in public places, never had been and never will be. Why would you insist on such a change to make them feel uncomfortable in a space that should solely be for them?

    As for men being dangerous, some are and some aren’t. I would however be very concerned about any man who believes he is a female and seeks to use those areas - they are potentially more dangerous and unbalanced than any biological male.

    How orthodox. Next segregation on planes, dancing at weddings. I love Fiddler On The Roof.

    Also.

    Men: Not all men.

    Trans woman: Not all men are predators.

    Men: Women need to be protected from men.


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    #4541
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Tired Gardener wrote: »
    So, what is it that defines a woman as being a woman? I am honestly interested in what you think it is, is it biology, or is it identity?

    Which of the two is the deciding factor?

    I’ve already answered weeks ago.


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    #4542
    Tired Gardener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    I’ve already answered weeks ago.

    How does that stop you from answering now? It is a simple question.

    What is the deciding factor, biology, or identity?


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    #4543
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    How orthodox. Next segregation on planes, dancing at weddings. I love Fiddler On The Roof.

    Also.

    Men: Not all men.

    Trans woman: Not all men are predators.

    Men: Women need to be protected from men.

    You appear to be very naive if you run a line of thought that neither sex is capable of doing very bad things, it shouldn’t be a revelation to you that some men are bad just the same as some women are. It doesn’t paint both sexes as all like that, it’s a simple fact.

    My point remains - a man with bad intentions is dangerous enough. A man who is mentally of the belief he is a woman, and demands to access spaces for women only whilst also having bad intentions is a hell of a lot more dangerous. It’s not a risk worth taking and shouldn’t even be in question just to appease what is essentially a microscopic percentage of society who fall in to the category of trans.


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    #4544
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Is that in the Irish Constitution or Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

    I'm gonna go with the UN Convention, Bob! The UN are pretty big on sex-based protections and rights especially for women. They are not my favourite globalist organisation but you did ask. They have campaigns for sex based protected toilet spaces in developing parts of the world as they want girls and women to be raped less when relieving themselves. Same sorts of campaigns re periods as girls miss school through shame or not having sanitary products. Etcetera etcetera..


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    #4545
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    You appear to be very naive if you run a line of thought that neither sex is capable of doing very bad things, it shouldn’t be a revelation to you that some men are bad just the same as some women are. It doesn’t paint both sexes as all like that, it’s a simple fact.

    My point remains - a man with bad intentions is dangerous enough. A man who is mentally of the belief he is a woman, and demands to access spaces for women only whilst also having bad intentions is a hell of a lot more dangerous. It’s not a risk worth taking and shouldn’t even be in question just to appease what is essentially a microscopic percentage of society who fall in to the category of trans.

    And he doesn’t need to pretend to be trans to attack women.


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    #4546
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Implicit in your ideology is men are dangerous.

    I find that thought process dangerous.

    If they are not dangerous then why don't trans women want to share facilities with them. Could it be that they would be in danger from some men.


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    #4547
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I'm gonna go with the UN Convention, Bob! The UN are pretty big on sex-based protections and rights especially for women. They are not my favourite globalist organisation but you did ask. They have campaigns for sex based protected toilet spaces in developing parts of the world as they want girls and women to be raped less when relieving themselves. Same sorts of campaigns re periods as girls miss school through shame or not having sanitary products. Etcetera etcetera..

    The UN doesn’t have protections for sex based sports. Sorry Hun.


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    #4548
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    If they are not dangerous then why don't trans women want to share facilities with them. Could it be that they would be in danger from some men.

    Because they are not men.


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    #4549
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    The UN doesn’t have protections for sex based sports. Sorry Hun.

    Hun they espouse sex based protections for women. Covers it implicitly. Anyhoo you are losing the old sports battle globally which puts a lot of buckshot in your TWAW ideology.


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    #4550
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    And he doesn’t need to pretend to be trans to attack women.

    Nope he doesn’t but it’s a lot easier if he does pretend with your ideological free for all changing rooms - he could easily gain access to a changing room where maybe a lone female is. It’s not worth the risk whatever way you view it or accepting them.


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    #4551
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Oh I find that funnier than I probably should!!!!

    Did you hear about it at the time? Hilarious. :D


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    #4552
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    Nope he doesn’t but it’s a lot easier if he does pretend with your ideological free for all changing rooms - he could easily gain access to a changing room where maybe a lone female is. It’s not worth the risk whatever way you view it or accepting them.

    Bull. It’s easier to pretend to be a woman to attack women than just attacking a woman on the street.

    Even yoga doesn’t have a stretch that big.


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    #4553
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Because they are not men.

    I don't think that's the only reason though is it? It's because they would be in danger. Because men in general are more dangerous then women.


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    #4554
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Hun they espouse sex based protections for women. Covers it implicitly. Anyhoo you are losing the old sports battle globally which puts a lot of buckshot in your TWAW ideology.

    So you use sports as an example and then when proved wrong you throw the toys out of the pram.

    Name one right a woman will lose by having trans women called women? In the Irish constitution or Universal Declaration of human rights.


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    #4555
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    I see AIMS (assoc for improvement of maternity care in Ireland) are flat to the mat blocking women on Twitter today, women who have asked that along with “pregnant people” they include the word “women” when addressing their target audience.

    An organisation for women and representing women going so far as to use #terf in their response Tweets.


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    #4556
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    I see AIMS (assoc for improvement of maternity care in Ireland) are flat to the mat blocking women on Twitter today, women who have asked that along with “pregnant people” they include the word “women” when addressing their target audience.

    An organisation for women and representing women going so far as to use #terf in their response Tweets.
    Despicable cowards.


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    #4557
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Also for those of you citing Barbie Kardashian two psychiatrists have evaluated that Alejandro Gentile isn’t trans.

    https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/e363c19e-6e79-4e35-a3fe-d5e8dee785fe/2019_IECA_109_1.pdf/pdf?fbclid=IwAR0dWJ_iIM4b_oiK2zGiVTG2Vc_yi5hw8Fte4_3oaoliR6e06lKEYqXjc2I#view=fitH


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    #4558
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Be careful of replying to that last post above mine.
    Pure bait as evidence is Barbie Kardashian has a GRC granted by an Irish judge. It is a perfect (horrible) example of the consequences of due diligence not being done with the wonderful selfID legislation.
    There is an active attempt in Feedback to get this thread closed.


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    #4559
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Sittingpretty wrote: »
    I see AIMS (assoc for improvement of maternity care in Ireland) are flat to the mat blocking women on Twitter today, women who have asked that along with “pregnant people” they include the word “women” when addressing their target audience.

    An organisation for women and representing women going so far as to use #terf in their response Tweets.

    AIMS is afaik a publicly funded organisation.

    They have no business blocking anyone or imposing their obscurantist nonsense on people. Nor do they publish accounts as far as I can see.

    Perhaps mention this to your TD, one who is not afraid of these people, if any of them are in your constituency.


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    #4560
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Be careful of replying to that last post above mine.
    Pure bait as evidence is Barbie Kardashian has a GRC granted by an Irish judge. It is a perfect (horrible) example of the consequences of due diligence not being done with the wonderful selfID legislation.
    There is an active attempt in Feedback to get this thread closed.

    44. The report found it impossible to assess whether G. was a young person who suffers from actual gender dysphoria. “In discussionwith me it was very noticeable that [she] has researched the area and was therefore able to provide a tick-box list of symptoms thatare required to the formation of this diagnosis. However, I believe that the important first step would be to address the trauma whichis impacting on every aspect of his development, not just [her] gender or sexual identity.


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    #4561
    Airyfairy12
    Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Delaney Nice Salesclerk wrote: »
    Also for those of you citing Barbie Kardashian two psychiatrists have evaluated that Alejandro Gentile isn’t trans.

    https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/e363c19e-6e79-4e35-a3fe-d5e8dee785fe/2019_IECA_109_1.pdf/pdf?fbclid=IwAR0dWJ_iIM4b_oiK2zGiVTG2Vc_yi5hw8Fte4_3oaoliR6e06lKEYqXjc2I#view=fitH

    It doesnt matter what a psychiatrist decides, Barbie Kardashian self identifies as 'she' and that is how this person will be referred to. This is blatantly demonstrated in the document where BK is only referred to as she/her.
    Despite 2 psychiatrists evaluating him, his history of inflicting violence and expressing his wish to inflict more violence and rape women, he still has access to all womens spaces and any woman who expresses concerns about this is insulting labelled a TERF.


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