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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]
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No, the gender was not the point I was making. But fine...
"An epidural for people who give birth", "A pamphlet for people who play with their testicles", "A support-group for people who have had their prostate removed."
Would these titles benefit by being assigned to women/men? Not really.
Would you change the ball-playing pamphlet to "A pamphlet for men who play with their testicles?" Or "A pamphlet for boys who play with their testicles?"
Or some sort of amalgamation of the two? "A pamphlet for men and boys who play with their testicles"? That one is not a good title.
"People" is a harmless catch-all. Would you not agree?
When càn the words woman or man be used in this harmless but non specific world you advocate?
In medical school when the professors train the students and the image, model or cadaver has a uterus should the professor say this is a body / image of a person with a uterus, or can they say a woman. If cadaver has a penis, should the professor say the body of the person with the penis or can they say the man?
When little Johnnie wants to know where do babies come from will their parent say Well little Johnnie a person with a penis really loves a person with a vagina and together they make a baby inside the person with a uterus, that is to say if the person with the uterus is fertile and is a person who regularly menstruates. If the person who menstruates is not regular they may have to see a person who helps to regulate people who have problems with menstrual cycles, Johnnie. Also let us not forget, little person with a penis, that the person who ejaculates may have a low sperm count and might have to seek treatment for people with penises who have fertility issues. But all going well, the person who ejaculates may get lucky and then the person with the vagina delivers the baby who is either a new person with a penis or a new person with a vagina. The person with the uterus may also be the person who chestfeeds the new baby person with either the vagina or penis.
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Lefty Bicek wrote: »No.
I think the issue about menstruation is that for so long it was seen as a taboo, something for men to make crude locker-room references to.
Attaching the word strongly to 'women', rather than 'people' was a way of empowering women - the only ones who experience it - to reject those sh1tty attitudes towards that aspect of their bodies and lives. And for it to be considered as something natural, normal, and something experienced by everyone's mother, sister, daughter.
'People' is a dismissal of that truth. A diminution of the progress that has been made in terms of those perceptions.
'People' is not a harmless catch-call, nor is it intended to be.
Well that’s a crock of... look, the latest advertising campaign in the UK for a particular feminine hygiene product has been described by many women as vulgar, and all sorts of other terms that indicate that no, it’s not just men who consider this stuff vulgar, just as many, if not more women do too. This is the particular campaign in question -
The most popular comment sums it up really -
This is easily one of the worst adverts I have ever seen. It’s cringe from start to finish, tacky and feels out of touch. Dire
I cannot for the life of me see how “attaching the word strongly to women” is the least bit “empowering”. People are no doubt familiar with the process, it’s being taught to young boys in classrooms now too as part of SPHE. Sure, it’s a natural and normal biological process, but the taboo exists for good reason - because not everyone wants to talk about their normal and natural biological processes, and certainly not too many people want to hear about them.
It’s nothing to do with women feeling ashamed of their own bodies or anything else (Jesus the irony that you would even use that as an argument), it’s simply that it’s one of the many things people simply don’t want to talk about, and don’t want other people knowing about either, and more to the point they simply have no interest in talking or hearing about it themselves.0 -
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One eyed Jack wrote: »Well that’s a crock of... look, the latest advertising campaign in the UK for a particular feminine hygiene product has been described by many women as vulgar, and all sorts of other terms that indicate that no, it’s not just men who consider this stuff vulgar, just as many, if not more women do too. This is the particular campaign in question -
The most popular comment sums it up really -
This is easily one of the worst adverts I have ever seen. It’s cringe from start to finish, tacky and feels out of touch. Dire
I cannot for the life of me see how “attaching the word strongly to women” is the least bit “empowering”. People are no doubt familiar with the process, it’s being taught to young boys in classrooms now too as part of SPHE. Sure, it’s a natural and normal biological process, but the taboo exists for good reason - because not everyone wants to talk about their normal and natural biological processes, and certainly not too many people want to hear about them.
It’s nothing to do with women feeling ashamed of their own bodies or anything else (Jesus the irony that you would even use that as an argument), it’s simply that it’s one of the many things people simply don’t want to talk about, and don’t want other people knowing about either, and more to the point they simply have no interest in talking or hearing about it themselves.
So a silly contemporary advert somehow invalidates a long social movement away from the idea of menstrual blood as unclean or taboo and means women don't talk about icky things? Are you a long jumper by profession or is it just a hobby, Jack?
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So a silly contemporary advert somehow invalidates a long social movement away from the idea of menstrual blood as unclean or taboo and means women don't talk about icky things? Are you a long jumper by profession or is it just a hobby, Jack?
More of a hobby, not that I’d be wanting to compete in the women’s long jumping events in any case, you’re fairly safe on that score Gruffalox
No, my point was simply that contrary to that posters opinion that mensuration was something women were ashamed of or anything else as the reason it’s not something they talk about in normal conversation, is nonsense. Women don’t talk about mensuration for the same reason they don’t talk about plenty of bodily functions - because it’s simply considered vulgar and inappropriate to do so.
I genuinely can’t see how associating bodily functions like mensuration with women is the least bit “empowering”, or encouraging women to talk about their hygiene practices is empowering. I’m certainly not alone in that view, and it’s certainly not because I’m a man that I don’t understand it either. I know of only a handful of women who have tried to bring up the discussion with me, precisely because they were aware I was uncomfortable with the topic, and they found my discomfort amusing. They sure as hell weren’t doing it as part of any long standing social movement. They knew I was about as interested in hearing about it as I was their perfectly normal and natural bowel movements.
Describing anything as normal and natural doesn’t immediately validate it as an acceptable topic of conversation.0 -
One eyed Jack wrote: »More of a hobby, not that I’d be wanting to compete in the women’s long jumping events in any case, you’re fairly safe on that score Gruffalox
No, my point was simply that contrary to that posters opinion that mensuration was something women were ashamed of or anything else as the reason it’s not something they talk about in normal conversation, is nonsense. Women don’t talk about mensuration for the same reason they don’t talk about plenty of bodily functions - because it’s simply considered vulgar and inappropriate to do so.
I genuinely can’t see how associating bodily functions like mensuration with women is the least bit “empowering”, or encouraging women to talk about their hygiene practices is empowering. I’m certainly not alone in that view, and it’s certainly not because I’m a man that I don’t understand it either. I know of only a handful of women who have tried to bring up the discussion with me, precisely because they were aware I was uncomfortable with the topic, and they found my discomfort amusing. They sure as hell weren’t doing it as part of any long standing social movement. They knew I was about as interested in hearing about it as I was their perfectly normal and natural bowel movements.
Describing anything as normal and natural doesn’t immediately validate it as an acceptable topic of conversation.
In my experience, women do talk about menstruation amongst themselves and it generally isn't considered "vulgar". Not sure where you're getting the idea from that we dont.0 -
One eyed Jack wrote: »More of a hobby, not that I’d be wanting to compete in the women’s long jumping events in any case, you’re fairly safe on that score Gruffalox
No, my point was simply that contrary to that posters opinion that mensuration was something women were ashamed of or anything else as the reason it’s not something they talk about in normal conversation, is nonsense. Women don’t talk about mensuration for the same reason they don’t talk about plenty of bodily functions - because it’s simply considered vulgar and inappropriate to do so.
I genuinely can’t see how associating bodily functions like mensuration with women is the least bit “empowering”, or encouraging women to talk about their hygiene practices is empowering. I’m certainly not alone in that view, and it’s certainly not because I’m a man that I don’t understand it either. I know of only a handful of women who have tried to bring up the discussion with me, precisely because they were aware I was uncomfortable with the topic, and they found my discomfort amusing. They sure as hell weren’t doing it as part of any long standing social movement. They knew I was about as interested in hearing about it as I was their perfectly normal and natural bowel movements.
Describing anything as normal and natural doesn’t immediately validate it as an acceptable topic of conversation.
It's menstruation. And we do talk about it. In hoarse whispers. By the flicker of campfires. Hunched over with our witch hair trailing down our faces. Gory battle tales of profuse rivers of blood, soft furnishings ruined and the passage of huge clots that would kill a man stone dead.
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