Green Party MEPs vote for Ireland to lose EU Tax Veto

Boredstiff666

Wouldn't worry about it Ireland is toast come Brexit as Leo backed the wrong horse. Added to that the countries debt is spiralling out of control due to him thinking the way to run an economy is to just borrow more money.

Die Hard 2019

tdf7187 wrote: »

I couldn't care less, I'm not out there campaigning or running for office. I believe that Ireland has a national case of Stockholm Syndrome. I don't care if 60% of the population, the ones who vote for Zanu Fianna Gael are insulted by my comments. I don't like those people and I sure as damnit don't need or want their approval. Kapiche?

What is Zanu FG

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it Ireland is toast come Brexit as Leo backed the wrong horse. Added to that the countries debt is spiralling out of control due to him thinking the way to run an economy is to just borrow more money.

It's really not spiralling at all. Next year there is debt to be redeemed but most other debt is long-term and Paschal has said he'd like to operate a surplus. You'd expect the same from any other MOF. Not entirely sure what Leo could ever have done about Brexit though.

is_that_so

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

What is Zanu FG

Blueshirts!:D The Zanu thing was comparing FF to Mugabe's behaviour. Very 2010 term though!

tonycascarino

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The motion failed but honestly cannot believe they voted for such a proposal. Could this do them damage at a national election as they will probably run on increasing taxes in 2020.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/green-party-meps-back-proposal-to-remove-irelands-eu-tax-veto-38805187.html

Between voting for Ireland to lose their EU Tax veto, their whackjob climate change ideas and their stupidity of trying to reintroduce wolves into Ireland, the Green Party are stone useless anyway.

BoJack Horseman

Fake news.

The EU love Ireland.
They would never trample on our tax sovereignty like that.

Just as they would not saddle the Irish people with tens of billions of debt we had no part in accumulating.

Thelonious Monk

I still think the greens will do well in next GE, by their standards. Obvs it'll mostly be FF and FG winning seats. They've got my vote anyway.

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not spiralling at all. Next year there is debt to be redeemed but most other debt is long-term and Paschal has said he'd like to operate a surplus. You'd expect the same from any other MOF. Not entirely sure what Leo could ever have done about Brexit though.

It would have helped if he hadnt kept going on Brit tv and attacked the Brits making enemies thinking the EU will back him up.

Debt is debt....it still has to be repaid and when you know hard times are coming you do not keep borrowing more.

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It would have helped if he hadnt kept going on Brit tv and attacked the Brits making enemies thinking the EU will back him up.

Debt is debt....it still has to be repaid and when you know hard times are coming you do not keep borrowing more.

Nah, very little sovereign debt does although we will probably want to retire some of ours in due course. It generally just rolls over and over, affordability is the key.

Akrasia

The greens didn’t vote to just get rid of Ireland’s Veto, they voted to get rid of everyone’s veto and it was obviously intended to allow the EU to introduce a common tax policy to regulate polluting economic activity which aligns perfectly with the Green party’s reason for being

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

Nah, very little sovereign does although we will probably want to retire some of ours in due course. It generally just rolls over and over, affordability is the key.

When you run a business the only time you borrow money is when you would have had to give money to the tax man.

When you run a country only those who cant run a car boot sale borrow money.

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

When you run a business the only time you borrow money is when you would have had to give money to the tax man.

When you run a country only those who cant run a car boot sale borrow money.

Neither of these examples apply to sovereign debt. It lives in a world of its own. As long as there are buyers of such debt at offered rates, countries will issue it.

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

Neither of these examples apply to sovereign debt. It lives in a world of its own. As long as there are buyers of such debt at offered rates, countries will issue it.

Debt is debt it has to be repaid with hard working peoples tax money.

Wibbs

circadian wrote: »

Wow a lot of hatred for the Greens. I don't usually vote for them but I get the feeling a lot of the derision is from people who don't want to face up to the fact that they are, in a way, correct in running with environmental issues as their core tenant and have been for some time.

Environmental issues are certainly extremely important, but when you hear some of the pronouncements from said Greens, who are supposed to be the ones who are promoting and understanding it, you have to scratch your head, to the point of drawing blood at some of the utter stupidities involved. QV that recent suggestion that we reintroduce wolves into Ireland. Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks something like that is even close to a goer is a grade A fcuking moron, on a few levels.

washman3 wrote: »

Eamon Ryan must be one of the biggest conmen that ever darkened the door of Leinster House, yet is given a virtual free ride by the mainstream media.

Indeed as per above Mr Ryan:

Asked did he support the reintroduction of wolves, Mr Ryan said: “I think yes. Bring back a sense of wildness. Bring back a balance of ecology in the the sense that those wolves would prey on deer that are holding back forestry at the present time.

“Look at other countries that have ecosystems and are more resilient and more attractive,” He said.

That's the level of crosseyed idiocy on offer from that fool. And he's their bloody leader. You couldn't make that level of dense up. Oh and I don't think he's a conman W, well beyond the usual political class looking out for salaries and pensions. I almost wish he and his supporters were conmen, that would be better than bumbling ignoramuses.

is_that_so

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Debt is debt it has to be repaid with hard working peoples tax money.

The interest is paid and eventually one tranche of debt has to be redeemed but that's most often done by issuing new debt. The length of the terms generally means that the actual effect on an economy is diluted by the effect of inflation. This type of debt is the only way really big visions can be achieved but I do think its use to cover Budget debt should be limited. Most of our current sovereign debt came out of the need to run the country during those grim years.

Boredstiff666

is_that_so wrote: »

Most of our current sovereign debt came out of the need to run the country during those grim years.

Exactly......from February onwards when Irelands best friend and next door neighbour will turn their backs on us thanks to Leo and co as the 'grim years' return.

So anything the Greens or green men from Mars have plans for is just dreaming.

Akrasia

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Exactly......from February onwards when Irelands best friend and next door neighbour will turn their backs on us thanks to Leo and co as the 'grim years' return.

So anything the Greens or green men from Mars have plans for is just dreaming.

How exactly is it Leo’s fault that the UK are leaving the EU?

Boredstiff666

Akrasia wrote: »

How exactly is it Leo’s fault that the UK are leaving the EU?

None but the Brits hate him as he was one who constantly told them they were wrong and made everything more difficult all of last year. He was even talking of Irish reunification such was his attempt to gain glory and stir things up. Even some ministers told him to button it. He was over on Sky tv more than Kay Burley.

Basically he has made it harder for anybody to do anything now.

Anyway gone off topic so..........

listermint

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it Ireland is toast come Brexit as Leo backed the wrong horse. Added to that the countries debt is spiralling out of control due to him thinking the way to run an economy is to just borrow more money.

Written and thanked by someone without a real grasp of the subject matter.

Montage of Feck

Free market libertarians with a green bow on top is all they are. Useful idiots for a global free maket agenda that depends on unlimited growth and consumerism, the biggest environmental threats of them all.
Remember the last genius plan to get the plebs to buy new cars?

Richard Hillman

Augme wrote: »

Seems a fairly sensible idea and I'd say most people who voted green party or would be inclined to vote greens wouldn't have a huge issue with it. The people who hate the idea would never vote greens anyway so it will have zero impact.

I have given the Greens a first preference vote before, but their Green Socialism, identity politics and general cuckholdery has turned me away.

I used to like them because they were the only ones that actually stood for something. Now it's just bizarre. And having nutters like Hazel Chu around isn't helping.

joseywhales

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Exactly......from February onwards when Irelands best friend and next door neighbour will turn their backs on us thanks to Leo and co as the 'grim years' return.

So anything the Greens or green men from Mars have plans for is just dreaming.

Ireland's best friend. I think you need better friends. My best friend didn't pour boiling tar on my grandmother for hiding my starving little brother from my best friend. He is coming around later to send me on a 1 year boat journey as an indentured servant that I will surely die from with the possibility of further slavery in a penal colony if I survive. My best friend only has my best interests at heart though. He says I can't speak my language or own property if I want to be a Catholic, then he says we require a well structured eugenics program to sort out our poor genetics, for that is the reason for our poor state, not years of penal laws and religious persecution. He's a good guy my best friend.

Atlantic Dawn

The Greens bringing us the diesel car was a good idea (based on their principles), it killed off thousands of people here that would have otherwise consumed the earth's resources.