Leo Varadkar post Taoiseach

joseywhales

Snow Garden wrote: »

Can you rewrite this sentence so it makes some sense?

Certainly.

I like to interpret sentences literally rather than trying to derive extra meaning that may not be there. Since I have an inherent bias, I am likely to end up with an interpretation that is less true than the literal sentence. Because it is my bias, I am likely to accept that interpretation since it reinforces my view of the world.

James Brown

I thought my name sake made a good joke with "a lot done, more to do"
The Egan interview was cringy but that's Egan. He had a whole section on his celebrity dinner party that included Twink ffs.
On Varadkar's image I think in the beginning they were banking on a Trudeau, Maccron pretty boy, social media hype to carry the party further than it did, but that's ****ty policies and record breaking crises for you.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You are behaving like a maladjusted child.
I couldn't care less about his sexuality. You have raised it before inferring I'm homophobic. I have marched with Michael D. and Co. for equal rights for same sex couples. So cut the nonsense.
It's called having the craic Blanch. What part of the country do the 152's hail from?
You are a party hack. If you can't discuss things like an adult, leave me out of it.

Isn’t that just the problem, though? People call it just having the craic when they indulge in a little bit of casual homophobia, wasn’t it all just harmless, a bit of a laugh, and sure isn’t my best friend gay? You wouldnt have taken the username Kathleen Reynolds when Albert was Taoiseach, but it is fair game to take the username of a Taoiseach’s partner if they are not straight, because it is having the craic in a juvenile way.

It says it all that you don’t even see the issue.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Isn’t that just the problem, though? People call it just having the craic when they indulge in a little bit of casual homophobia, wasn’t it all just harmless, a bit of a laugh, and sure isn’t my best friend gay? You wouldnt have taken the username Kathleen Reynolds when Albert was Taoiseach, but it is fair game to take the username of a Taoiseach’s partner if they are not straight, because it is having the craic in a juvenile way.

It says it all that you don’t even see the issue.

I'm attempting to discuss the political leader of Ireland, in a thread, funnily enough, about the political leader of Ireland.
You and wheeliebin raised my handel before inferring it was some kind of homophobic thing. Now you've some new bright spark at it. Would somebody who dislikes gays use a name similar to a gay man? It means **** all to me. I rarely if ever mention it and certainly not his partner. His one redeeming quality is breaking ground for minorities despite not being any use at his job(s). You raise it every few months like it just dawned on you. Are you working from script?
Just stick to discussing public figures comrade. You have a hang up about Varadkar being a gay man. Maybe you should address that?
You're a spent docket lad. Look at what you've come down to. Pathetic nasty and spiteful comments on this thread.

Give it a rest Matt. You have an obsession with Varadkar and FG and your choice of username is very revealing.

Shefwedfan

My question is, who is Matt Barrett?

James Brown

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Give it a rest Matt. You have an obsession with Varadkar and FG and your choice of username is very revealing.

Are you trying to suggest its telling, like you couldn't place my opinions on FG otherwise? Would you stop being so clownish.

Why so interested in me? Get your own life maybe?

Fr_Dougal

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Are you trying to suggest its telling, like you couldn't place my opinions on FG otherwise? Would you stop being so clownish.

Why so interested in me? Get your own life maybe?

Is it not ironic that you tell a poster to get a life whilst you’re assuming the name of a real person, the partner of the Taoiseach, to post on boards?

JohnnyFlash

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Are you trying to suggest its telling, like you couldn't place my opinions on FG otherwise? Would you stop being so clownish.

Why so interested in me? Get your own life maybe?

I don’t think you are homophobic, Matt. I do think your obsession with FG and deciding to share that obsession with the good people of Boards by naming yourself after the partner of the Taoiseach does come across as a bit deranged and creepy though.

It just doesn’t come across well, dude.

Phoebas

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Get your own life maybe?

Jaysus Matt. That's a bit rich; you spend a good portion of your own life on your anti FG crusade.

I know we all need our hobbies but...

James Brown

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Is it not ironic that you tell a poster to get a life whilst you’re assuming the name of a real person, the partner of the Taoiseach, to post on boards?

No. You see it's a name and I talk on politics generally. Why randos would take talk on politics so personally is the question.
Are you obsessed with Ardal O'Hanlon?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I don’t think you are homophobic, Matt. I do think your obsession with FG and deciding to share that obsession with the good people of Boards by naming yourself after the partner of the Taoiseach does come across as a bit deranged and creepy though.

It just doesn’t come across well, dude.

This isn't a thread about me, although its fast becoming one. Mods?
It doesn't really I've never posted about the man. I'm being harangued by the party faithful alright. Maybe get this thread shut down too Johnny?
Tough defending the indefensible, best play the man not the ball I suppose?

James Brown

Phoebas wrote: »

Jaysus Matt. That's a bit rich; you spend a good portion of your own life on your anti FG crusade.

I know we all need our hobbies but...

This is your comment on Varadkar post sitting on his hands?
Boss you seem to be obsessed. I don't comment on you now do I? My favourite colour is blue by the way

BumperD

joseywhales wrote: »

Personally I like to read the lines and nothing I'm between, otherwise I am prone to adding my own bias when things are ambiguous. It's not like he stated that there is a massive racism issue in Ireland relative to other countries. As far as I can comprehend he is pointing out that he anecdotally knows of people who have been racially abused but he has been pretty unscathed by it. I would share the exact same experience(except I receive zero racist abuse) and I am so white, I am borderline blue. Doesn't mean everything he said is not true. People are certainly not going to vote for him just because his dad was born in India, I don't see him playing the race card as a strategy to win votes. Maybe it's possible that he is using his position to highlight a not huge but growing issue in Irish society. No?

I am self aware of conscious ( and unconscious) bias. I am also aware the independent journalist may have attached more weight to certain comments that he did, to devote an entire article. Having said that, I stand over my review of his comments/ own words published.

He’s playing victim card. No need for it .

BumperD

is_that_so wrote: »

Why would he quit? The result will be tight anyway and still could go either way. It depends what platform or message both use to campaign on. We're not in Corbyn territory at all.

I reckon FG will be slaughtered in the next election.

mattser

BumperD wrote: »

I reckon FG will be slaughtered in the next election.

Good man. Off to the bookies with you.

charlie14

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

He responded to a specific question about discrimination with details about his own experiences with racism/homophobia, which he admitted were minimal. He deliberately played down the racism and homophobia he experienced which is the complete opposite of playing the victim card.

Was he not opposed to same sex marriage at one stage?

charlie14

blanch152 wrote: »

Isn’t that just the problem, though? People call it just having the craic when they indulge in a little bit of casual homophobia, wasn’t it all just harmless, a bit of a laugh, and sure isn’t my best friend gay? You wouldnt have taken the username Kathleen Reynolds when Albert was Taoiseach, but it is fair game to take the username of a Taoiseach’s partner if they are not straight, because it is having the craic in a juvenile way.

It says it all that you don’t even see the issue.

People take different names for a variation of reasons.
There are some on here that have used different names at stages but we are not allowed to question why.
Why should it be any different now.
Ye without sin.....etc.

Fr_Dougal

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No. You see it's a name and I talk on politics generally. Why randos would take talk on politics so personally is the question.
Are you obsessed with Ardal O'Hanlon?

You see, Matt, Fr Dougal is a fictional character, it’s not actually a real person.

The name you have assumed, is that of a real person.

Massive difference.

James Brown

charlie14 wrote: »

People take different names for a variation of reasons.
There are some on here that have used different names at stages but we are not allowed to question why.
Why should it be any different now.
Ye without sin.....etc.

Easier than speaking on the thread topic maybe.

He'll do alright. Probably head to the states if Dara can't sort him in the EU.

charlie14

BumperD wrote: »

I reckon FG will be slaughtered in the next election.

I don`t know about slaughtered, but if he does not come back a Taoiseach then he may not stay leader of FG for long.
He wasn`t popular with the grassroots to start with.
Coveney waiting in the long grass.

Beechwoodspark

This is the thing.

Varadkar was NEVER popular.

The grassroots wanted coveney!? Ahead of him.

Varadkar spin doctors and allies somehow convinced the parliamentary party he was the man to lead FG. D4 media bubble in full effect.

It will end in tears (I won’t be crying though).

Beasty

Closing this thread while I review a number of reports

Beasty

OK, this is a thread about Varadkar. Please discuss the topic and not other users. If you have a problem with what someone posts then report it and leave the modding to the mods. Attack the post, not the poster.

BumperD

mattser wrote: »

Good man. Off to the bookies with you.

Great response.

mattser

BumperD wrote: »

Great response.

Not being smart. Just can't see that happening. As of today I think you'll get decent odds on a hammering.

James Brown

I cant see it being too bad for them. They'll likely lose but still be a strong opposition.
I can't see Varadkar sticking around.

mattser

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I cant see it being too bad for them. They'll likely lose but still be a strong opposition.
I can't see Varadkar sticking around.

Fair comment Matt.

bunderoon

The two main parties are really one larger party. Have been for many decades.
Every 4-8 years, the pissed off public fall for the other's promises and vote them back in. Big business wins each time and the other party gets to gorge more than they were able to when in opposition.

Suckit

bunderoon wrote: »

The two main parties are really one larger party. Have been for many decades.
Every 4-8 years, the pissed off public fall for the other's promises and vote them back in. Big business wins each time and the other party gets to gorge more than they were able to when in opposition.

And everyone that votes for neither get screwed by the die-hards that think FF or FG are different and the best (in reality they just benefit greatly under the table or with rezoned land, or a government contract or made into a quango etc.)

It'll never end.

IAMAMORON

I am happy for a cease fire , it is Christmas eve ffs, it only seems right?

Kermit.de.frog

What would it say about the Irish people to put a political party back in that had this country on it's knees and begging the IMF (like fcuking Somalia) to put them back in?

What would it say? That you deserve everything you get?

Remember what our country was reduced to in 2010, countless lives destroyed, mass emigration, bankruptcy - and you would put that crowd back in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiKZth5iBz4

_Kaiser_

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Remember what our country was reduced to in 2010, countless lives destroyed, mass emigration, bankruptcy - and you would put that crowd back in?

Remember when in 2011 we were promised a new approach, "new politics" but got the same cronyism, corruption, waste and incompetence as before?

Remember when we saw tens thousands of ordinary people from across all sections of society out protesting because of the mess that was Irish Water and the Siteserv deal?

Remember the multiple Garda scandals that ultimately brought down two commissioners and a minister?

Remember the abuse of a parliamentary majority to railroad legislation through without proper debate?

Remember a TD falling off a swing in a pub and lodging a compo claim despite being out running a race a few weeks later? Remember their infamous radio interview?

Remember how already serious problems in health care, housing supply and cost, insurance etc developed into national crisis - despite being pretty much back to full employment and boom times?

Remember how we ended up with a lame duck Government in 2016, led by a social media and spin obsessed empty suit who even his own party didn't want at the helm - all so his predecessor could set ego-driven personal "records"?

And you would put that crowd back in??

Kermit.de.frog

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Remember when in 2011 we were promised a new approach, "new politics" but got the same cronyism, corruption, waste and incompetence as before?

Remember when we saw tens thousands of ordinary people from across all sections of society out protesting because of the mess that was Irish Water and the Siteserv deal?

Remember the multiple Garda scandals that ultimately brought down two commissioners and a minister?

Remember the abuse of a parliamentary majority to railroad legislation through without proper debate?

Remember a TD falling off a swing in a pub and lodging a compo claim despite being out running a race a few weeks later? Remember their infamous radio interview?

Remember how already serious problems in health care, housing supply and cost, insurance etc developed into national crisis - despite being pretty much back to full employment and boom times?

Remember how we ended up with a lame duck Government in 2016, led by a social media and spin obsessed empty suit who even his own party didn't want at the helm - all so his predecessor could set ego-driven personal "records"?

And you would put that crowd back in??

You must not remember 2010.

Perhaps you long for a reminder? Hey, if you want bankruptcy (and actual bankruptcy this time given our quota with the IMF is gone) and deprivation, starvation so be it.

Compared to the small nonsense you mention? I'll take the current government, thanks.

Boredstiff666

Leo has killed Ireland with the Brits for years to come.

What you get besides Leo is just more of the same. Ireland needs another direction and new people. They are so 'left' they just keep spinning in circles going nowhere.

When you are lost you try new roads to see if there is a way out or if things are better. You dont keep going around the roundabout arguing about who had the map upside down.

Doing the same over and over again is insanity.

Phoebas

People have very short memories.

It wasn't long ago that Enda Kenny was the Worst. Taoiseach. Ever. Before that it was Brian Cowan. And Bertie.
Now of course it's Varadkar and after him it'll be the next guy.

In reality, in the longer term, Varadkar will probably be remembered reasonably well. Some wins on social issues and his handling of Brexit (assuming no major setbacks there).
He probably won't get too much credit for the economic recovery or too much blame for the housing crisis.

That all assumes that he loses the next election, but that's far from certain.

Loafing Oaf

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What would it say about the Irish people to put a political party back in that had this country on it's knees and begging the IMF (like fcuking Somalia) to put them back in?

What would it say? That you deserve everything you get?

Remember what our country was reduced to in 2010, countless lives destroyed, mass emigration, bankruptcy - and you would put that crowd back in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiKZth5iBz4

Well the policies of the FF/PD governments were very popular at the time. And the opposition parties were advocating much the same only more so...

Jinglejangle69

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well the policies of the FF/PD governments were very popular at the time. And the opposition parties were advocating much the same only more so...

Here are a few extracts from the responses by Richard Bruton to every budget speech delivered by Brian Cowen as Minister for Finance. There is plenty of other stuff in the speeches about public sector reform and general waste. But the theme i'm highlighting here is competitiveness, the export industry, the very foundations the Celtic Tiger (1987-2001) was built on, and the impact of the construction bubble.

Budget 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Bruton
There is a worrying complacency in Government about the enterprise sector. Few people realise that in the past four years, employment in the exposed sector of our economy has been in sharp decline. The rate of job losses has been more than double that of the mid-90s.
We are facing a tough time in export markets. Since May 2002, export prices have fallen by 15%. Companies trading and competing have had to tighten their costs by 15% but the utilities, stealth taxes, rates and all the other burdens the State puts on those companies have increased by 27%. There is no tightening of belts when it comes to those delivering those services but the companies which have to compete in export markets are feeling the squeeze. Companies are leaving these shores to go to cheaper environments.

Parliamentary Debates (Official Report - Unrevised) Dáil Éireann Wednesday, 1 December 2004 - Page 4

Budget 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Bruton
We need to examine what needs to be done to proof ourselves against changing and hardening external environments. No one can have illusions about the change that has happened in the external environment in which Ireland seeks to compete. There is a sharp contrast between the economy Deputy Quinn handed over to Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats in 1997 and the economy the Minister will soon hand back to the rainbow coalition. Superficially, there are many similarities. Employment is increasing rapidly and the budget surplus is healthy, but there are also signs of fragility which cannot be ignored. Approximately 40% of jobs in companies supported by the industrial agencies has been lost since 2000. Many have been replaced but not enough to prevent a sharp decline. Ireland has lost share in its export markets three years in a row. Our export performance is at its worst since 1974 and it is less than a quarter of what is was in the late 1990s.
The problem is that while the construction sector can absorb people and conceal problems in underlying trading sectors, that cannot go on forever. As a small, open economy, we need to survive on the basis of competitive businesses and that is not happening. Ireland’s enterprise strategy was once the envy of emerging countries but it is feeling the strain and the cracks are showing.

Parliamentary Debates (Official Report - Unrevised) Dáil Éireann Wednesday, 7 December 2005 - Page 4

Budget 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Bruton
The Government is increasing spending at a rate 50% faster than the growth of national income. Taxes are rising as a result. This year, the Government is continuing the trend by budgeting to increase spending by 11.5%. To put this in perspective, an ordinary worker will be lucky to obtain an increase of4%. The surplus has been cut back at a time when the economy is experiencing pressure on the prices front and when SSIAs are coming on stream. Spending is increasing far faster than national income and tax revenues and this is posing a threat. Many commentators warned the Government about inflation before the budget was put together and I believe they will now be of the opinion that we are on dangerous ground.
The Government has doubled its dependence on the construction sector to support its revenue. A total of 25% of every tax euro spent by the Government comes from the construction sector. We are not in a strong position; we are, in fact, in a vulnerable position.
The real question is whether the Government has done enough to build the capability of the economy to withstand the real pressures under which it is about to come. Those pressures do not merely revolve around the possible slowdown in the housing market; they relate to the relentless march of competition that is coming our way. Our competitiveness has declined in each of the past five years. In the same period, our share of export markets and the level of manufacturing employment have fallen. Some 50% of the jobs that existed in IDA Ireland and Enterprise Ireland industries five years ago have disappeared.

Parliamentary Debates (Official Report - Unrevised) Dáil Éireann Wednesday, 6 December 2006 - Page 1

Budget 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Bruton
I give the Minister one cheer for some reform of stamp duty but I do not endorse his housing strategy that is failing so many people. Even the Central Bank, hardly the source of radical thinking, tells us that half the people in the country cannot afford to buy a house and that this is unsustainable. The tragedy is that the bill for high cost Government has come home to roost, not just for taxpayers but for those trying to compete in the real economy.
The Government and its policies accounted for half of all inflation during the past seven years. In addition, it loaded stealth taxes equivalent to €3,500 per annum onto every family. Inflation in sectors controlled by the Government is running at two and a half times the rate that obtains in equivalent sectors in other eurozone countries. Ireland has become a high-cost country primarily as a result of Government action. I will provide one statistic which, more than any other, illustrates this fact. Price increases in sectors controlled by Government during the past seven years stand at 45%. Manufacturing companies trying to export goods abroad — the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Martin, will be aware of this — have seen their prices fall by 17%. That is the contrast.

Parliamentary Debates (Official Report - Unrevised) Dáil Éireann Wednesday, 5 December 2007 - Page 3

There have been many exercises in revisionism by this government in recent times claiming that the opposition were just as bad as the government if not worse (as Willie O’Dea suggested this week). They claim that nobody saw it coming, or that the opposition never told them to stop, or that the problems are all down to external factors etc…

These extracts show that the alternative Minister for Finance was very much on the ball with his warnings about the economy. He outlined clearly why we were on the wrong track. He warned consistently and relentlessly about the erosion of competitiveness, how this erosion caused the export sector in this country to go into decline and how this decline was masked by a property boom. This is the problem we face today in a nutshell. This economically illiterate government complacently believed that the fundamentals were sound when they so obviously weren't. Richard Bruton saw it coming a mile out but they weren't interested.


Bit of googling and found this on politics.ie.

Interesting read.

James Brown

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What would it say about the Irish people to put a political party back in that had this country on it's knees and begging the IMF (like fcuking Somalia) to put them back in?

What would it say? That you deserve everything you get?

Remember what our country was reduced to in 2010, countless lives destroyed, mass emigration, bankruptcy - and you would put that crowd back in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiKZth5iBz4

They were/are good enough for Fine Gael. Imagine how disappointed people are who voted FG and got FG/FF?

Labour In opposition were the only ones calling for restraint in housing and on selling off land.

charlie14

In 2011 FG had a real chance to be different, but what we got was just more of the same. Cronyism, waste of public finances and Dáil Eireann being run like a Politburo.

2016 prior to the general election, FG were doing what many FG supporters are doing on here now. Pointing back at FF pre 2011 as the reason to put FG back in power in 2016.
What they didn`t see, and which some here are failing to see, is that the public were not looking back so much at pre 2011, they were looking at what happened under FG`s watch 2011 - 2016 and were not particularly impressed.

We are now in the reign of Varadkar where we have a housing and homeless crisis, a health service falling to pieces and projects from public funds like the Children`s Hospital and public broadband at many multiples of their original estimates and still no final figure in sight.
We are shortly going into another General Election after 9 years of FG governments where we have not just had the same old same old of cronyism and waste but FG TD`s like Bailey, Farrell and Murphy acting with feelings of entitlement that would have put FF to shame in their heyday.
If posters here think pointing back at FF nine years ago is going to cloud any of that in voters memories when it didn`t work four years ago, then I`m afraid they will be sadly mistaken.

Millicently

I don't think he has a long term political career ahead of him, certainly not in Ireland. I don't believe that the voters would have elected him. It seems to me that FG had a choice between stale male and pale Catholic family man Coveney or gay, mixed race and young Varadker. They were poor choices. Absolutely nothing wrong with being gay and or mixed race, but the problem was they went with optics and that hasn't worked. He knows he won't be reelected so all he has to do is sit back and say the right things to get his feet under the table in Brussels.



Don't get me wrong, I hate the idea of Coveney as his most likely successor. I've no idea who I'll vote for, I think most people feel the same way so it wouldn't surprise me there's a very low turnout in the next election or a huge surge in votes for independents. MeHole Martin is a non entity.

Jinglejangle69

charlie14 wrote: »

In 2011 FG had a real chance to be different, but what we got was just more of the same. Cronyism, waste of public finances and Dáil Eireann being run like a Politburo.

2016 prior to the general election, FG were doing what many FG supporters are doing on here now. Pointing back at FF pre 2011 as the reason to put FG back in power in 2016.
What they didn`t see, and which some here are failing to see, is that the public were not looking back so much at pre 2011, they were looking at what happened under FG`s watch 2011 - 2016 and were not particularly impressed.

We are now in the reign of Varadkar where we have a housing and homeless crisis, a health service falling to pieces and projects from public funds like the Children`s Hospital and public broadband at many multiples of their original estimates and still no final figure in sight.
We are shortly going into another General Election after 9 years of FG governments where we have not just had the same old same old of cronyism and waste but FG TD`s like Bailey, Farrell and Murphy acting with feelings of entitlement that would have put FF to shame in their heyday.
If posters here think pointing back at FF nine years ago is going to cloud any of that in voters memories when it didn`t work four years ago, then I`m afraid they will be sadly mistaken.

Oh yeah 2011-2016 the golden years when we had so much money and the IMF weren’t here with handouts to keep the country going from day to day literally.

Yeah we should have built 100s of thousands of social houses with all our money and with thousands of ghosts estates and all our construction workers in Australia and New Zealand.

Sure we had money to fix everything.

We only balanced the books for the first time in 10 years last year but sure we had billions to just build houses for everyone.

Simple really wonder why no one thought of that.

Phoebas

charlie14 wrote: »

In 2011 FG had a real chance to be different, but what we got was just more of the same.

This line gets trotted out a lot, completely disregarding that the previous government has us bankrupt, going cap in hand for a bailout.

Short memories are one thing, but these are selective memories.

Suckit

How much did FF squander/overspend in the 14 years that they were in charge?
How much have FG squandered/overspent in the 9 years so far that they have been in charge?

Beasty

Suckit wrote: »

How much did FF squander/overspend in the 14 years that they were in charge?
How much have FG squandered/overspent in the 9 years so far that they have been in charge?

Well I don't think there was any of the family silver left when FG took office....

Jinglejangle69

Suckit wrote: »

How much did FF squander/overspend in the 14 years that they were in charge?
How much have FG squandered/overspent in the 9 years so far that they have been in charge?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/state-waste-of-10bn-in-10-years-26326371.html


Article from 2009.

“More than €1bn of taxpayers' money has been wasted every year since FF came to power 10 years ago, a Sunday Independent investigation reveals.”

“A list of failed projects, delayed works, bloated bureaucracy and poor management have all led to more than €10bn being squandered in the last 10 years”

Cant wait to see the the usual posters worm out of this one so it doesn’t show anyone other than FG in a bad light.

Suckit

Beasty wrote: »

Well I don't think there was any of the family silver left when FG took office....

They've been doing a decent job of spending whatever is there.

Jinglejangle69

Suckit wrote: »

They've been doing a decent job of spending whatever is there.

Awaiting your reply to my link.

Can’t wait to see what you say.

Suckit

^^
It was a genuine question.

National Childrens Hospital - €2+ Billion (Roughly 1.5 Billion higher than the original estimate) The most expensive hospital in the world.
National Broadband Plan - €3+ Billion (Roughly 6 times more than the original estimate)
Water Meters went over by almost €200 million IIRC
There are other questionable spends, (€1 Billion on roughly 5500 houses and €4billion on private rental)
And I have no doubt that plenty more of what they squandered, mismanaged and wasted will come to light at the end of their tenure.

I would like to know as close to the exact figure as is possible for both. I wouldn't think there is much between them.

Jinglejangle69

Suckit wrote: »

^^
It was a genuine question.

National Childrens Hospital - €2+ Billion (Roughly 1.5 Billion higher than the original estimate) The most expensive hospital in the world.
National Broadband Plan - €3+ Billion (Roughly 6 times more than the original estimate)
Water Meters went over by almost €200 million IIRC
There are other questionable spends, (€1 Billion on roughly 5500 houses and €4billion on private rental)
And I have no doubt that plenty more of what they squandered, mismanaged and wasted will come to light at the end of their tenure.

I would like to know as close to the exact figure as is possible for both. I wouldn't think there is much between them.

Haha good one

National broadband plan is 6 times more expensive???

Have you a link to that?

4 billion in private rental?

Have you a link to that?

Spending money on rent for peoole isn’t an overspend, it’s a necessity for the present moment.

What’s this 5500 houses you’re in about?

So basically the only overspend is approx 1.2 billion on the hospital and 200 million on water meters.

Far cry from 10 billion that FF managed.

charlie14

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Oh yeah 2011-2016 the golden years when we had so much money and the IMF weren’t here with handouts to keep the country going from day to day literally.

Yeah we should have built 100s of thousands of social houses with all our money and with thousands of ghosts estates and all our construction workers in Australia and New Zealand.

Sure we had money to fix everything.

We only balanced the books for the first time in 10 years last year but sure we had billions to just build houses for everyone.

Simple really wonder why no one thought of that.

Is it not time to face the reality that 2011 FG really had a clear road ahead with virtually no opposition, the chance to bury FF for once and ever and they blew it.
In 2016 voters judged them on their 5 years in power and gave them a kicking.
Come the next GE they will judge them on the last 4 years, not on FF 10 years ago.
Talking about FF and pointing to them didn`t work for te GE 4 years ago, do you really think it will work ?