Chinese prisoners at Xmas

briany

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I personally think it is a good thing to get prisoners to work and keep busy it would be good if they adopted that here. Like in the USA were they got chain gangs to fix the roads and such and when they leave prison they have some life skills.

Don't know if that's a good idea. You risk creating an economic incentive to imprison people. Now, you could say that the money saved on labour merely offsets the cost of housing prisoners, which is fair, but if you were to have private companies running prisons then forced labour really doesn't sit well, because those companies' business is profit. Paying your debt back to society is one thing, but slavery just so some CEO can get richer shouldn't sit well with anyone.

X111111111111

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

We're all at fault.

We want it cheap. We want it yesterday.

Some people freak out if their Amazon deliveries are a day late.

China will dominate the 21st century as the West worries about trivialities.

They are dominating now.

Ekerot

briany wrote: »

Don't know if that's a good idea. You risk creating an economic incentive to imprison people. Now, you could say that the money saved on labour merely offsets the cost of housing prisoners, which is fair, but if you were to have private companies running prisons then forced labour really doesn't sit well, because those companies' business is profit. Paying your debt back to society is one thing, but slavery just so some CEO can get richer shouldn't sit well with anyone.

He's not being serious bro

tuxy

Yeah clearly a joke since the reintroduction of chain gangs in Arizona was a disaster.

RobbingBandit

Perfect English script language smacks of a hoax to me only one found so far too.

Ipso

briany wrote: »

Don't know if that's a good idea. You risk creating an economic incentive to imprison people. Now, you could say that the money saved on labour merely offsets the cost of housing prisoners, which is fair, but if you were to have private companies running prisons then forced labour really doesn't sit well, because those companies' business is profit. Paying your debt back to society is one thing, but slavery just so some CEO can get richer shouldn't sit well with anyone.

Couldn’t be worse than the 329 strikes and your out gravy train for the legal industry. A couple stints of pulling shopping trolleys out of canals might make someone think twice.

tuxy

Ipso wrote: »

Couldn’t be worse than the 329 strikes and your out gravy train for the legal industry. A couple stints of pulling shopping trolleys out of canals might make someone think twice.

Supervision and security would cost far more than paying regular workers to do the work.

careless sherpa

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Perfect English script language smacks of a hoax to me only one found so far too.

Maybe but they do claim to be foreign to china

wakka12

spurious wrote: »

I don't doubt there are forced workers in China, but there is something very unbelievable about this card story

I agree. Surely the 'slave masters' would check the cards for this type of thing before theyre shipped out

wakka12

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I personally think it is a good thing to get prisoners to work and keep busy it would be good if they adopted that here. Like in the USA were they got chain gangs to fix the roads and such and when they leave prison they have some life skills.

Yes though in China you'd have to wonder if there is even a justified reason for many of them in being in jail. I'm sure theres plenty in there who didnt even get a fair trial

riclad

People go to jail for protesting against the government,selling drugs, and ordinary crime,s similar to what happens in any country,
the difference is in chinese prisons ,
there is almost no regard for human rights .prisoners have to do work.
There are very few independent journalists allowed into china to report on
human rights issues, or protests against the government.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/gaming/controller-freak/chinese-prisons-force-inmates-to-farm-gold-in-mmo-games/article614664/

Independent journalists are not allowed to routinely visit chinese prisons as happens in the uk or america .
With millions of products coming from china every day, it makes sense that some may be made by prisoner,s who are not paid to work .

Feisar

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Good luck with that, the device you're posting from was probably 80% / 100% made in China.

https://youtu.be/bifOI4MbHVU

Richard Hillman

sk8erboii wrote: »

On a conventional war China would probably lose.

Unless its nuclear then everybody would lose. If it was if it was an invasion of China, nobody could defeat them. There's too many of them and they are passionate about their nationhood.

fergiesfolly

In fairness, that note is written in better English with clearer instructions than most of the products I buy from China.

Yurt2

retalivity wrote: »

I would love to see this, just to see how hilariously it would fail. Everything is made in china!

Guangdong (the workshop province) is actually relatively expensive for labour these days. Between that, political considerations - and China being a risky play if you have IP you want to protect - many high-tech companies are moving their supply chains slowly elsewhere. Case in point; Samsung have moved their manufacturing and assembly of devices lock, stock and barrel to Vietnam. Apple look like they are making a play for India recently as well.

JohnCleary

As a visitor to Bangkwang Central Prison, Bangkok, I would not like to be a guest there.

Although it's easily avoidable; don't break any of the local laws, no matter how ridiculous they may be. It amazes me the amount of people who leave their brain at the airport here... tourists walking around smoking joints, blissfully unaware that getting caught will cost you approx 500euro or easily a month in a local jail.

Das Reich

I wish my country also used prisioners for work but there they want to copy everything frok "developed" countries.

Roger_007

My first reaction, when I saw this story on the news, was that it was fake. It does not seem plausible that a bunch of prisoners would be sitting round a bench making Christmas cards.
The mass manufacture of this kind of product is so highly automated nowadays that there is little need for much human intervention at all. All that is required are high-tech printing presses, packaging machines, and the software to run them. It is hard to imagine that any prison would be equipped with the sophisticated machinery required to produce this kind of stuff.
There is a tendency by western news organisations to pounce on any story, however implausible, to kick the Chinese/Russians/North Koreans without doing much in the way of checking if there is any truth in the story. I am not a fan of any of those regimes but I don’t think we should swallow everything we hear about them.
We live in the era of fake news and I think this is just another example of it.

tdf7187

Pleased to say, I for one have already made a firm stand on this. I use an iPhone, made by the very ethical Apple Corporation. I'm thinking of taking up smoking again so as I can make a point of only smoking Marlboros.

That'll show 'em!!

briany

Would you even be able to get something like a modern laptop that's not made in China, or, by extension, anywhere in the far East, since I doubt the workers in Vietnam have it too much better.

Yurt2

briany wrote: »

Would you even be able to get something like a modern laptop that's not made in China, or, by extension, anywhere in the far East, since I doubt the workers in Vietnam have it too much better.

I have a work laptop that's made in Poland (afaik all Dell laptops sold in Europe would be Polish made). Granted, many components would be made in China, but the trend is now for these critical supply chains to move to SE Asia away from China at the moment.

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Richard Hillman wrote: »

Unless its nuclear then everybody would lose. If it was if it was an invasion of China, nobody could defeat them. There's too many of them and they are passionate about their nationhood.

Actually, from the little I know, China's a bit of a glasshouse. They have a huge population that supports the government as they put food on the table, they have farming that is reliant on infrastructure and technology vs arable land, a lot of china can be flooded (apparently) by the destruction of dams and they are surrounded by people who do not particulrly like them (China, Russia, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, and a few others)

I'm not saying chinese people aren't nationalistic, but I get the vibe that they are pragmatic first tbh.