Scrambler bikes

Jeff2

The bike in the video a yamaha pw50 is safer than a bicycle for a kid that age if the parents are not idiots.

The throttle can be set so it only goes walking speed while the child learn to ride in the right place with right gear. It's shaft drive so a child won't get its finger taken off in chain and sprocket.

Realistically speaking a child could run or cycle into a pole while not look faster than this bike should have been setup for this kid to start on.

I still say it's a great little bike.

matchthis

Jeff2 wrote: »

The bike in the video a yamaha pw50 is safer than a bicycle for a kid that age if the parents are not idiots.

The throttle can be set so it only goes walking speed while the child learn to ride in the right place with right gear. It's shaft drive so a child won't get its finger taken off in chain and sprocket.

Realistically speaking a child could run or cycle into a pole while not look faster than this bike should have been setup for this kid to start on.

I still say it's a great little bike.

Yep I also blame the reckless uneducated gift purchaser too

Atlantic Dawn

The video has made The Daily Mail...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7827525/Shocking-moment-young-boy-crashes-street-lamp.html

Omackeral

''Take the dummy off him and give him a crash helmet and safety gear... or take the bike off him and give him a teddy bear....''

One of the comments on the article. Spot on. Sums it up. Either he's a baby or he's a young fella. Can't be both!

Wilfuler.

Wilfuler. wrote: »

There's no way to regulate buying

Of course there is. Weedkiller is regulated. I'm sure wholly illegal off-road bikes are easy enough to regulate.

pablo128

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course there is. Weedkiller is regulated. I'm sure wholly illegal off-road bikes are easy enough to regulate.

How are they wholly illegal? Used in the wrong circumstances, sure they are illegal. But if they are used off road on private land, there's nothing illegal about them.

Trying to ban them is a knee jerk idea. It's like banning log cabins to prevent people putting them in their back gardens for family members to live in. Illegally.

Tzardine

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The video has made The Daily Mail...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7827525/Shocking-moment-young-boy-crashes-street-lamp.html

The Daily Mail. As accurate as ever.

"As he takes off he puts his foot on the throttle......."

Makes the writing on the journal look like Dickens.

Jeff2

pablo128 wrote: »

How are they wholly illegal? Used in the wrong circumstances, sure they are illegal. But if they are used off road on private land, there's nothing illegal about them.

Trying to ban them is a knee jerk idea. It's like banning log cabins to prevent people putting them in their back gardens for family members to live in. Illegally.

Padlo it's like banning bicycles for kids because a kid hit a pole at the same speed as this kid.

It's that simple.

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course there is. Weedkiller is regulated. I'm sure wholly illegal off-road bikes are easy enough to regulate.

If the issue doesn't affect leafy affluent suburbia, it won't be regulated.

pablo128

pablo128 wrote: »

How are they wholly illegal? Used in the wrong circumstances, sure they are illegal. But if they are used off road on private land, there's nothing illegal about them.

Trying to ban them is a knee jerk idea. It's like banning log cabins to prevent people putting them in their back gardens for family members to live in. Illegally.

I didn't say ban them, I said regulate them. For example; Can only be sold by licensed sellers. Buyers use a logbook to ID themselves and the bike they own (like cars). Numberplates, lights, indicators, etc. Give them stamped number plates (ie printed onto the rear of the bike so if the person does a runner with no numberplates they can be tracked).


Something has to be done. A single scrambler bike wanders around my estate, and can be heard from 300 meters away quite clearly. There are literally hundreds of people that have to put up with the noise of one scumbag being a nuisance.


Gardai have no interest. Council have no interest. It's a joke.

pablo128

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say ban them, I said regulate them. For example; Can only be sold by licensed sellers. Buyers use a logbook to ID themselves and the bike they own (like cars). Numberplates, lights, indicators, etc. Give them stamped number plates (ie printed onto the rear of the bike so if the person does a runner with no numberplates they can be tracked).


Something has to be done. A single scrambler bike wanders around my estate, and can be heard from 300 meters away quite clearly. There are literally hundreds of people that have to put up with the noise of one scumbag being a nuisance.


Gardai have no interest. Council have no interest. It's a joke.

Right. So someone buys a legit scrambler and takes the plate off and tears around the estate. The Gardai and council will still have no interest and were back to square one.

Like I've already said, the issue is catching them.

bladespin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For example; Can only be sold by licensed sellers. Buyers use a logbook to ID themselves and the bike they own (like cars). Numberplates, lights, indicators, etc. Give them stamped number plates.

Problem is, these bikes are made and sold ‘not for road use’ and thus don’t need any of that, indicators, lights etc just add weight (and unnecessary cost), I’m not sure there’s a VIN on them.

bladespin

pablo128 wrote: »

Like I've already said, the issue is catching them.

And what happens after that, there’s a stack of laws already that are broken in the PW video, nothing would be done though. Parental responsibility etc etc

Montage of Feck

weldoninhio wrote: »

Race tracks for scramblers/quads should be regulated in Ireland. In order to be able to buy a scrambler you should have to be a registered member of a track.

They're already breaking multiple rules, they're hardly going to follow newer ones.

Tzardine

bladespin wrote: »

Problem is, these bikes are made and sold ‘not for road use’ and thus don’t need any of that, indicators, lights etc just add weight (and unnecessary cost), I’m not sure there’s a VIN on them.

They have a VIN alright. Usually ground down on the bikes terrorising Finglas and Ballymun.

Beta Ray Bill

Deleted User wrote: »

Motor sport enthusiast? :rolleyes: Did you ever hear such sh/te.

They're scumbags. If they weren't acting the jock on these yokes and tormenting everyone in a 500meter radius with the noise, then no one would care about them.


An enthusiast doesn't fly down footpaths in housing estates. They go where they should be used. People don't dislike scramblers because they've nothing else to dislike. It's a present that a scumbag gets on christmas. I've yet to meet someone that got a scrambler for christmas whose family i wouldn't class as wasters.

Not everyone that gets their kid a Scrambler is a scumbag.
I intend on getting my kid one when he's old enough. I'm lucky enough to live close to East wall where there is a dirt bike track.
The bike will be bought new from a dealer and used under my supervision on the track ONLY

When it's not in use, it'll be locked away in a Garage/Van and never used on the road.

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say ban them, I said regulate them. For example; Can only be sold by licensed sellers. Buyers use a logbook to ID themselves and the bike they own (like cars). Numberplates, lights, indicators, etc. Give them stamped number plates (ie printed onto the rear of the bike so if the person does a runner with no numberplates they can be tracked).

Something has to be done. A single scrambler bike wanders around my estate, and can be heard from 300 meters away quite clearly. There are literally hundreds of people that have to put up with the noise of one scumbag being a nuisance.

Gardai have no interest. Council have no interest. It's a joke.

There are so many 2nd hand junkers knocking about that it would be very hard to regulate.
Also the problem with logbook/reg plate is that they are not technically road legal (2 stroke emissions, both fumes and noise)

UK cops just ram kids/people on scramblers off the road.
It will happen here soon enough and then it'll stop.

AulWan

Montage of Feck wrote: »

They're already breaking multiple rules, they're hardly going to follow newer ones.

So the answer is ignore the problem? Shrug and do nothing?

Restricting the sale of scramblers /making it more difficult to purchase one might not eliminate the problem altogether, but it would be a step towards minimising it.

Had the joyful experience of two lads racing each other up and down the road last night after midnight on these things - god forgive me but I almost wished they'd plough them into a wall.

Wabbit Ears

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Not everyone that gets their kid a Scrambler is a scumbag.

Not everyone but disproportionate amount of them are. I walk my dog daily on gormaston beach and, even though there is a track right beside the beach, there are ALWAYS absolute scum ripping the beach up, shooting past families and dogs. The Track owners have signs up but dont police their own.


Id happily see an outright ban because the 'good' owners dont do anything to change the reputation the """"""sport""""" has (airquotes intentional).

If they dont want to be tarred with the same brush theyd be in favour of regulation, they'd be in favour of harsher penalties for misuse, they'd be in favour of self regulation within their communities. But they wont because its all false indignation, they are tarred with the same brush because the are covered head to toe in it anyway.

bladespin

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

UK cops just ram kids/people on scramblers off the road.
It will happen here soon enough and then it'll stop.

They do not, they will employ a tactical stop as they call it if they believe they have to (risk to life, armed etc but that’s pretty rare (apart from a couple of YouTube videos of armed robbers using them lol).

The paperwork, investigation and subsequent legal action would stop it dead here.

Ready4Boarding

Can't believe the opposition here to banning the sale of under-sized "scramblers" for the use of unlicensed children. Thankfully my postcode insulates me from them.

Beta Ray Bill

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Id happily see an outright ban because the 'good' owners dont do anything to change the reputation the """"""sport""""" has (airquotes intentional).

First off, it's not my (Or anyone who uses scramblers properly and responsibly) job to change the reputation of Scramblers because some little skanger down road is using one dangerously.

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

If they dont want to be tarred with the same brush theyd be in favour of regulation, they'd be in favour of harsher penalties for misuse, they'd be in favour of self regulation within their communities. But they wont because its all false indignation, they are tarred with the same brush because the are covered head to toe in it anyway.

You wouldn't even know a person in your estate had a scrambler if it were being used properly in the proper place.
Because you would never hear it or see it (unless you see it being loaded into a Van, but that's unlikely)
So you're not actually tarring anyone.

In terms of "self regulation within their community", them little skang balls aren't part of our community.
We want nothing to do with them.

bladespin wrote: »

They do not, they will employ a tactical stop as they call it if they believe they have to (risk to life, armed etc but that’s pretty rare (apart from a couple of YouTube videos of armed robbers using them lol).

The paperwork, investigation and subsequent legal action would stop it dead here.

Chap I know in London says the cops are ramming the moped gangs over there now, cause people are literally fed up with it

I think you're right though, in that the paper work etc would be huge hassle

bladespin

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Chap I know in London says the cops are ramming the moped gangs over there now, cause people are literally fed up with it

I think you're right though, in that the paper work etc would be huge hassle

They are but the moped gangs in London are part f organised crime there and are regularly armed hence the heavier response.

The gardai do need to start rounding these up on a big scale rather than the odd seizure, that imo is the best tactic, jr has a thousand euro bike lifted, the parents wouldn’t like it but might think twice about letting them out on another.

Trouble with stage zero sh*ts given attitude of the parents.

They’re damaging their neighbourhood and biking in general.

celticWario

Wilfuler. wrote: »

There's no way to regulate buying

Regulations on f*cking vapes is being rushed through the dail, while a law regarding scramblers sits on the shelf

Odelay

celticWario wrote: »

Regulations on f*cking vapes is being rushed through the dail, while a law regarding scramblers sits on the shelf

What shelf is it sitting on

celticWario

Odelay wrote: »

What shelf is it sitting on

https://www.thejournal.ie/quad-bike-regulation-4290184-Oct2018/

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2019-05-08/37/?highlight%5B0%5D=road&highlight%5B1%5D=traffic&highlight%5B2%5D=roads&highlight%5B3%5D=road&highlight%5B4%5D=bill&highlight%5B5%5D=road&highlight%5B6%5D=traffic&highlight%5B7%5D=roads&highlight%5B8%5D=bill&highlight%5B9%5D=bill&highlight%5B10%5D=scrambler

Samuel T. Cogley

Gardaí should be allowed to ram the ****ers.

Beta Ray Bill

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Gardaí should be allowed to ram the ****ers.

Another option would be to have two Garda on something like a KTM 790 Adventure R to go after them. (For non bikers, this is a road legal bike with excellent off road ability)

The big thing about Scramblers is that it's very easy to get a way from a Garda car.
If the Garda were on bikes that could go offroad too they wouldn't even need to catch em, just keep close enough to them to see where they're going and then just seize the bike later.

pablo128

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Another option would be to have two Garda on something like a KTM 790 Adventure R to go after them. (For non bikers, this is a road legal bike with excellent off road ability)

The big thing about Scramblers is that it's very easy to get a way from a Garda car.
If the Garda were on bikes that could go offroad too they wouldn't even need to catch em, just keep close enough to them to see where they're going and then just seize the bike later.

I'll bet few of you know that Tallaght Garda station have a Garda scrambler out the back that is simply 'broken down' and they apparently don't have the money to get it fixed.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.echo.ie/news/article/gardai-combat-scrambler-scourge-with-checkpoints&ved=2ahUKEwjl4eTt9tXmAhXkoVwKHQUTAO4QFjANegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw1jst01YzIUN6Pp3ebhEryL

AulWan

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Another option would be to have two Garda on something like a KTM 790 Adventure R to go after them. (For non bikers, this is a road legal bike with excellent off road ability)

The big thing about Scramblers is that it's very easy to get a way from a Garda car.
If the Garda were on bikes that could go offroad too they wouldn't even need to catch em, just keep close enough to them to see where they're going and then just seize the bike later.

Oh, I bet the scumbags on scramblers would just love nothing better then getting a chase of the Garda! Sure that would be fun to them.

pablo128

celticWario wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/quad-bike-regulation-4290184-Oct2018/

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2019-05-08/37/?highlight%5B0%5D=road&highlight%5B1%5D=traffic&highlight%5B2%5D=roads&highlight%5B3%5D=road&highlight%5B4%5D=bill&highlight%5B5%5D=road&highlight%5B6%5D=traffic&highlight%5B7%5D=roads&highlight%5B8%5D=bill&highlight%5B9%5D=bill&highlight%5B10%5D=scrambler

Well you all know who to vote for in the next elections.

weldoninhio

pablo128 wrote: »

And if you buy one in Newry?

If you are stopped on it and you don’t have a club license, scrap the bike and €5k fine.

weldoninhio

pablo128 wrote: »

Right. So someone buys a legit scrambler and takes the plate off and tears around the estate. The Gardai and council will still have no interest and were back to square one.

Like I've already said, the issue is catching them.

Like I’ve already said, allow the Gardai to ram them.

weldoninhio

Montage of Feck wrote: »

They're already breaking multiple rules, they're hardly going to follow newer ones.

Well if the shops can’t sell to them, what are they gonna do??

prunudo

celticWario wrote: »

Regulations on f*cking vapes is being rushed through the dail, while a law regarding scramblers sits on the shelf

In my rush to quickly scan over the posts I'd missed I read that as Vespa's!

bladespin

weldoninhio wrote: »

Well if the shops can’t sell to them, what are they gonna do??

The vast majority come via the uk, or crappy Chinese ones via markets, not sure how more laws here would affect that.

bladespin

weldoninhio wrote: »

If you are stopped on it and you don’t have a club license, scrap the bike and €5k fine.

They already do this; tax insurance, license etc etc Trouble is parents are rarely prosecuted from what I’ve seen.

Pac1Man

Has the video of the kid smashing into a pole been posted yet?

prunudo

bladespin wrote: »

They already do this; tax insurance, license etc etc Trouble is parents are rarely prosecuted from what I’ve seen.

I don't really see the need for more laws or regulation. As you say there enough laws being broken that the gardai should be able to use existing legislation to clamp down on their illegal use.

Tippsman

Pac1Man wrote: »

Has the video of the kid smashing into a pole been posted yet?

Yes it has, and the video of the taxi and red car has been debunked, no one knows if the pregnant woman was even knocked down by a scrambler.

The guards repore with citizens is already at an all time low, could you imagine how bad it would be if they were ordered to ram kids.

Samuel T. Cogley

Tippsman wrote: »

Yes it has, and the video of the taxi and red car has been debunked, no one knows if the pregnant woman was even knocked down by a scrambler.

The guards repore with citizens is already at an all time low, could you imagine how bad it would be if they were ordered to ram kids.

I imagine the people it would damage the rapport with wouldn't have a good relationship with the guards anyway. The people that want to see these little scumbags off the bikes however...

Markcheese

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Another option would be to have two Garda on something like a KTM 790 Adventure R to go after them. (For non bikers, this is a road legal bike with excellent off road ability)

The big thing about Scramblers is that it's very easy to get a way from a Garda car.
If the Garda were on bikes that could go offroad too they wouldn't even need to catch em, just keep close enough to them to see where they're going and then just seize the bike later.

Have a small drone in the boot of a squad car ,use the drone to follow / observe the scramblers, when they're stopped or go home ,move in in and seize the bike ..
Probably cheaper than gardai on off road bikes, and safer for everyone ,

Tippsman

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I imagine the people it would damage the rapport with wouldn't have a good relationship with the guards anyway. The people that want to see these little scumbags off the bikes however...

I'd imagine no one dislikes a guard for being a guard, they've a job to do and some do it well, alot are just grandfathered in and can do as they please without repercussion, a law onto themselves so to speak.

Ramming kids isn't the answer, this isn't London where they ram hardened criminals.

Beta Ray Bill

AulWan wrote: »

Oh, I bet the scumbags on scramblers would just love nothing better then getting a chase of the Garda! Sure that would be fun to them.

A valid point! They do love a chase!
It would need to be a delayed pursuit, possibly with the use of cheap drone too.

They just need to get the bikes off them.
The hope would be I suppose, once they realise they cant get away they'll dump the bike.

A drone itself is no use, flight time of about 17 mins tops and a range between 4km and 7km depending
As soon as the scummers realise this they'll just wait in out in a field

Witcher

Tippsman wrote: »

Yes it has, and the video of the taxi and red car has been debunked, no one knows if the pregnant woman was even knocked down by a scrambler.

The guards repore with citizens is already at an all time low, could you imagine how bad it would be if they were ordered to ram kids.

'Repore'....Christ :pac:

Have a read here chief;

https://kfmradio.com/news/13122019-1229/81-people-satisfied-service-provided-garda-siochana

Markcheese wrote: »

Have a small drone in the boot of a squad car ,use the drone to follow / observe the scramblers, when they're stopped or go home ,move in in and seize the bike ..
Probably cheaper than gardai on off road bikes, and safer for everyone ,

Absolute fantasyland stuff...completely detached from the reality of what the Gardai experience day to day...you'd be lucky to find a first aid kit or fire extinguisher in the back of a patrol car and you want drones :pac:

spurious

Clean bill of health from the Gardai every year or you lose your forever house**.


**I think some housing associations already have this.

Behave yourself and good things happen.
Be a scummer and lose all your 'entitlements'.

Tippsman

Witcher wrote: »

'Repore'....Christ :pac:

Have a read here chief;

https://kfmradio.com/news/13122019-1229/81-people-satisfied-service-provided-garda-siochana

It reads prefect

I wouldnt believe a survey carried out on behalf of their organisation and with a quick glance, were the 1500 people surveyed from D4.

Witcher

Tippsman wrote: »

It reads prefect

I wouldnt believe a survey carried out on behalf of their organisation and with a quick glance, were the 1500 people surveyed from D4.

Grand so, you're just anti Gardai, you're entitled to be...just good to know where everyone is coming from.

Edgware

Tippsman wrote: »

Yes it has, and the video of the taxi and red car has been debunked, no one knows if the pregnant woman was even knocked down by a scrambler.

The guards repore with citizens is already at an all time low, could you imagine how bad it would be if they were ordered to ram kids.

repore? What does that word mean?

Tippsman

Witcher wrote: »

Grand so, you're just anti Gardai, you're entitled to be...just good to know where everyone is coming from.

I've my reasons, as an organisation, I've nothing against the good guards.

Are you a member of the organisation, just so we know where everyone coming from.

Edgware wrote: »

repore? What does that word mean?

Your ma

Edgware wrote: »

No. They went to the local crack house and asked the scrotes there

Thought as much.

Edgware

Tippsman wrote: »

It reads prefect

I wouldnt believe a survey carried out on behalf of their organisation and with a quick glance, were the 1500 people surveyed from D4.

No. They went to the local crack house and asked the scrotes there