Body found in Cork

Rows Grower

splinter65 wrote: »

Why would that be bizarre? The murderer/s did their best to dispose of the evidence. Removing the clothes leaves more work for the Gardai.

It is bizarre, all murderers try not to leave any evidence if they want to get away with the crime but very few murder victims are found without their clothes.

Usually the murderer will dispose of their own clothes, not the victims.

alastair

splinter65 wrote: »

Why do you think that now? It was atheists who murdered a billion people in the 20th century. In the name of atheism. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao... did you forget about them?
Anyway, tell us all the Christians who are the worst people in the world and why.

Hitler was Christian, and no fan of atheism:
“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out.”
Adolf Hitler

Stalin trained as a seminarian. You could make as much of a case that his despotic behaviour was moulded by his religious education as his subsequent atheism.

There’s nothing to suggest Pol Pot was an atheist. He had both Christian and Buddhist education.

splinter65

alastair wrote: »

Hitler was Christian, and no fan of atheism:
“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out.”
Adolf Hitler

Stalin trained as a seminarian. You could make as much of a case that his despotic behaviour was moulded by his religious education as his subsequent atheism.

There’s nothing to suggest Pol Pot was an atheist. He had both Christian and Buddhist education.

No it can’t be argued that any of these were formed by a religious childhood. Anyone formed by a religious childhood knows inherently that murder is wrong. To suggest that Pol Pot thought he was following any religious laws when he was ordering the murders of millions is ludicrous, or Hitler when he oversaw the construction of the death camps.
All 3, and more, took the basic tenet of the left “everyone must be equal” and took it to the extreme.
In order for everyone to be equal, millions had to die.
That’s why the vast number of voters totally reject your socialist agenda, most recently in the UK.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Been a year of one shockingly violent thing after another in Cork it feels like, living here most of the last 12 years and it seems exceptional.

There's been an influx of hard drugs and an escalation in organised dealing, presumably because the gangland situation in Dublin (eventually) led to an inconveniently high level of Garda presence and activity. Vulnerable people like this man and the other man in the Mardyke incident will always bear the brunt. It'll get worse before it gets better I fear.

Harmless auld craythur by all accounts I'm hearing, hope the end was at least quick for him. God love the neighbour who found the body too.

Oasis1974

Isnt it four homeless people murdered in Cork City now?

cantalach

alastair wrote: »

There’s nothing to suggest Pol Pot was an atheist. He had both Christian and Buddhist education.

Not faulting your overall point, but just on a technicality, one can be Atheist and Buddhist. The Four Noble Truths don’t mention God, and following the Eightfold Path doesn’t require one to believe in any deities.

1641

alastair wrote: »

Hitler was Christian, and no fan of atheism:
“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out.”
Adolf Hitler

Selective quotes such as the above to try to evince that Hitler was Christian are contrary to nearly all respected historical evidence and opinion.This is irrespective of anyone's views on religion in general- for or against.


Hitler, as a total cynic, knew he had to portray himself as pro-religious (in earlier years, at least) to gain and maintain support in the country. It was also useful in positioning himself as the saviour against "atheistic" communism.


In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.
— Alan Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny


At the turn of the century, leading Hitler expert Ian Kershaw wrote an influential biography of Hitler which used new sources to expound on Hitler's religious views. He too concluded that Hitler was anti-Christian and irreligious, but noted how Hitler's religious policy was restrained by political considerations.


Hitler, according to Albert Speer, viewed Christianity as the wrong religion for the "Germanic temperament". Speer wrote that Hitler would say: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan Religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" - from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer.


Wiki has an article on Hitler's religious views : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler's_remarks_to_confidants

kravmaga

splinter65 wrote: »

You do know that being offered a house wouldn’t cure his addiction to drink?

Where did I say that? Please read my post again.

fryup

and what about the stabbing last week was that nearby as well?? some guy just go loony?

TheGom

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/mystery-of-four-missing-men-remains-1.62551


Apologies if brought up already, but remembered this when reading thread.

Pablo Escobar

fryup wrote: »

and what about the stabbing last week was that nearby as well?? some guy just go loony?

That was at the other side of the city. However, that crazy incident has been almost lost in the media because of this.

tototoe

Walk Like A Camel wrote: »

Moved to Cork last month and the amount of weirdos, headbangers, alcos and junkies on the streets is unreal.

I get that these people have problems but they make the city GRIM for decent people.

Isn't there a huge old prison up on a hill somewhere? Turn it into a mental asylum and put these people in.

Spent a lot of time in cork over the years, but theres a definite edge to the city centre these days. Spent a weekend there recently and its definitely not the place it was imo, particularly at night.

Also just to add whether this lad was homeless, an addict or an alco means sweet f.all. it wasnt him did this god awful crime. No one deserves that end.

corks finest

Walk Like A Camel wrote: »

Moved to Cork last month and the amount of weirdos, headbangers, alcos and junkies on the streets is unreal.

I get that these people have problems but they make the city GRIM for decent people.

Isn't there a huge old prison up on a hill somewhere? Turn it into a mental asylum and put these people in.

From Cork ,lived away for years,and yes you're correct the town's a junkie Haven, between beggars and scumbags it's gone to hell,but tben FG etc aren't addressing it,p.s. my own brother was a junkie and died a few years ago in McDonald's Jack's,daunt sq,junkies etc don't or can't give a Fu*k

Ash.J.Williams

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hold on.

I just heard on the news this man was living in a house paid for by a homeless charity.

He wasn’t living on the street.

Can we not wait for the story to be released before ranting about da gubberment?

Cause we know how that mistake has been made in the past many times.

Been homeless doesn’t absolve people from anything.

People find it hard to understand that a percentage of the homeless cannot be housed

pablo128

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

People find it hard to understand that a percentage of the homeless cannot be housed

Long term homeless people have usually burnt every single bridge they had with friends and family.

It's harsh to say, but the majority of the time they have only themselves to blame.

Cork Lass

pablo128 wrote: »

Long term homeless people have usually burnt every single bridge they had with friends and family.

It's harsh to say, but the majority of the time they have only themselves to blame.

That’s the nature of addiction though - it takes over and completely changes a person. I think your post is a bit harsh to be honest.

pablo128

Cork Lass wrote: »

That’s the nature of addiction though - it takes over and completely changes a person. I think your post is a bit harsh to be honest.

Didn't you read the part where I said it was harsh? You even quoted it.

ChikiChiki

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Isnt it four homeless people murdered in Cork City now?

Have not seen it mentioned yet but does that not ring alarm bells that there is potentially a sadistic killer on the loose?

Should Garda resources not be piled into this ASAP or is it a case that these lives not as valuable to the authorities because the poor craythurs were homeless?

Cork Lass

pablo128 wrote: »

Didn't you read the part where I said it was harsh? You even quoted it.

Yes I did read it p. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear - I was agreeing that you were being harsh.

splinter65

Cork Lass wrote: »

That’s the nature of addiction though - it takes over and completely changes a person. I think your post is a bit harsh to be honest.

It’s not harsh. It’s the truth. Its not difficult. People make decisions and choices and then there are consequences. Right now we are busy telling young people that there will be no consequences to any personal decisions or choices they make as everything can be blamed on the generations that went before them (ok boomer). Expect a lot more of this in the future.

splinter65

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Have not seen it mentioned yet but does that not ring alarm bells that there is potentially a sadistic killer on the loose?

Should Garda resources not be piled into this ASAP or is it a case that these lives not as valuable to the authorities because the poor craythurs were homeless?

There’s no crazed killer preying on vulnerable rough sleepers. These killings are a result of outbreaks of extreme violence within their own community. It’s a case of one poor craythur killing another. It’s dog eat dog out there. A row over a cigarette or a can can result in a very serious beating. I see broken jaws broken bones smashed teeth, over a smart remark or a €5 debt.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Ok boomer.

It seems unlikely, though possible that the killings are connected. More rough sleepers, more pressure on the organisations that support them, more heroin, more organised dealing, and the evisceration of garda and other resources during austerity coming home to roost.

1641

Aliyah Tight Bead wrote: »

Ok boomer.

It seems unlikely, though possible that the killings are connected. More rough sleepers, more pressure on the organisations that support them, more heroin, more organised dealing, and the evisceration of garda and other resources during austerity coming home to roost.

All those things plus lack of addiction and mental health services. Many homeless people have mental health issues - sometimes the mental health issues led to the homelessness and sometimes as a consequence.


Decades ago we had we had over-incarceration in mental health facilities. But many of these were closed with no adequate replacements. Unfortunately we do need residential/in-patient facilities - both as regards treatment and as regards asylum in the strict sense of a place of refuge and safety.

Wilfuler.

1641 wrote: »

All those things plus lack of addiction and mental health services. Many homeless people have mental health issues - sometimes the mental health issues led to the homelessness and sometimes as a consequence.


Decades ago we had we had over-incarceration in mental health facilities. But many of these were closed with no adequate replacements. Unfortunately we do need residential/in-patient facilities - both as regards treatment and as regards asylum in the strict sense of a place of refuge and safety.

I wouldn't be linking this incident to asylums/ incarceration of mentally ill people

Outcomes are better with community based supervision, there's been no increase in crime because of it

Seth Brundle

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Should Garda resources not be piled into this ASAP or is it a case that these lives not as valuable to the authorities because the poor craythurs were homeless?

So you think that the gardai are doing nothing with this case?
What makes you think that?

fin12

Seth Brundle wrote: »

So you think that the gardai are doing nothing with this case?
What makes you think that?

Well they haven’t arrested anyone for the murder of the homeless man in the tent. Didn’t hear they had any leads either.

1641

Wilfuler. wrote: »

I wouldn't be linking this incident to asylums/ incarceration of mentally ill people

Outcomes are better with community based supervision, there's been no increase in crime because of it

Like most people I know nothing about this incident, so not linking it specifically. But many homeless people have significant mental health issues which are not being addressed "in the community."


Incarceration is a loaded term. I fully agree that the long term institutionalisation of the past was not the answer but then throwing out the baby with the bath water was not the answer either. (Or, perhaps, throwing out the baths before the showers are available to replace them would be a better analogy). There are not enough residential places for those who need them and there are not enough supports in the community.

Outcomes are better with community based supervision, there's been no increase in crime because of it .

Could you point me to the research results that show this and how it was conducted? Also, a significant proportion of prisoners have mental health problems, and quite a few with severe ones. For some of these at least, a secure psychiatric setting would be more appropriate.


I am all for the principle of community care. But we are not serving some people well if instead of a psychiatric setting they are ending up homeless or in prison.

paleoperson

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s no crazed killer preying on vulnerable rough sleepers. These killings are a result of outbreaks of extreme violence within their own community. It’s a case of one poor craythur killing another. It’s dog eat dog out there. A row over a cigarette or a can can result in a very serious beating. I see broken jaws broken bones smashed teeth, over a smart remark or a €5 debt.

What are you talking about?

This was a non-violent man by all accounts. He clearly owed someone a massive debt or something like that.

The person who killed him and even dismembered the corpse is a monster, got it?

smurgen

paleoperson wrote: »

What are you talking about?

This was a non-violent man by all accounts. He clearly owed someone a massive debt or something like that.

The person who killed him and even dismembered the corpse is a monster, got it?

He was made an example of it seems.to dismember someone would take effort and wouldn't be the act of someone crazed. I think the people supplying homeless people in cork with drugs will be involved in this.

smurgen

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s no crazed killer preying on vulnerable rough sleepers. These killings are a result of outbreaks of extreme violence within their own community. It’s a case of one poor craythur killing another. It’s dog eat dog out there. A row over a cigarette or a can can result in a very serious beating. I see broken jaws broken bones smashed teeth, over a smart remark or a €5 debt.

You think that someone going to the effort of dismembering a body was over something minor?